Thank you Joe, that is a whole lot for one to consider, and perhaps people will consider what you have shared here with me.
Love to you, and keep on keeping on,
Matthew
Why do people desire for the end times to be for today? Serious Inquirey
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Thank you Joe, that is a whole lot for one to consider, and perhaps people will consider what you have shared here with me.
Love to you, and keep on keeping on,
Matthew
Dear MatthewG,
Yes, it is a lot to consider since what I have presented is contrary to what orthodox Christianity teaches. But there is a reason why this is the case:
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Paul was very distressed about the coming apostasy of the church. Though he did not write much about it, he verbally warned his churches for three years with tears. It was a very big deal. After Paul's death, the spirit of anti-Christ which John warned about came into the church and did not spare the flock. The entire church became apostate and began following another Jesus, another spirit, and taught another gospel. That false gospel is founded upon "works" mixed with faith.
Satan's gospel quickly spread into all the churches because that false gospel was very pleasing the carnality of the called out believers in the church.
Consider what Christ said below:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Luke 5:29 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
The carnality of called out believers prefers the Old Covenant which is based solely upon the outward works of man. The New Covenant is different. It is based solely upon the spiritual works of Christ. Because mankind does not contribute any of their own "works" under the New Covenant, it is rejected. The New Covenant is only pleasing to a believer after they have been converted and have become a child of God.
Christ also said this about what would happen in the church:
Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
The "woman" represents the worsened carnality of called out believers. She is the one who becomes the Great Harlot and who has become the habitation of devils:
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great (Harlot) is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Below, Christ taught how the church (through their carnal nature) became indwelt with the spirit of anti-Christ:
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.
Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit (the Holy Spirit of Promise, Eph 1:13-14), they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.
This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.
The "church" that exists in the world today (all approx. 2,000 different denominations/sects) is apostate and it became apostate shortly after Paul's death. The bread that the apostate church teaches is very deceiving and is full of "hidden" leaven. It has some truth mixed into it but overall, its teachings are false.
The Doctrines of Free Will and Hell are most dangerous teachings because, through those doctrines, Satan kills the saints:
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
There is only one sin that a called out believer can commit that will cause them to fall from grace. That is the sin of adding their own works to "grace through faith".
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
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The Doctrine of Free Will is the leading cause of a called out believer's spiritual death. That doctrine has turned the confession of faith into a "work" of man. With that doctrine, the church blames those who are not saved on their own lack of making the right "free will" choice to accept Christ. Then with the Doctrine of Hell, they teach that Christ is going to torment those same lost people in literal fire for all eternity. Nothing could be more blasphemous to the name of Christ than that doctrine.
The Christ I know is loving, tender and merciful and will do all that is necessary to save mankind. If Christ wanted to save all mankind today, He could do it. He would just have to give each person the Holy Spirit like He did for Paul. With the Spirit, mankind can no longer reject Christ. But it is not part of Christ's plan to save everyone at this time. In this age, Christ is only giving the Early and Latter Rain of the Spirit to those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world. They are the Elect. Christ is not working to save anyone else.
However, in the final age, Christ will have mercy upon the rest of mankind prior to them perishing from the judgment of the Law (the true penalty of sin).
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law; justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Christ's judgment is not like mankind's judgment. He will not omit mercy and faith when He judges mankind.
These verses apply:
Prov 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.
Job 34:12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.
This is what Christ's judgment is like:
Psa 33:5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.
Isa 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
Jer 4:2 And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.
The apostate church follows "another Jesus" who is actually Satan masquerading as Christ. It is the "lie" that Paul mentions below:
2Thes 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
It is the apostate church who believes the "lie". It is the apostate church which teaches the false Doctrines of Free Will and Hell. It is the apostate church which blasphemes the name of Christ to the world. It is the apostate church which will be rejected by Christ when they appear before His throne:
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Paul's warning about the wolves coming into the church and not sparing the flock should be taken very seriously by every believer in the church.
This is the hard truth of scripture but I say it all in the love of Christ.
Joe
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I was just pointing out to a mate about another mate we both know, That this one can not speak openly for fear of the New age Political Correctness Nazi like Police that dominate over us with Marxist etc Satanic forces to keep the people down and eventually destroy all !
Even mate speaking to can not in his line of work for fear, i mean total fear ! of not having a job, They will destroy him ! but he has nothing much to loose himself. but mate talking about has very much to loose as he is very wealthy.
The thing is if we do not speak up or openly we are all doomed regardless, for we rear the political trash that dominate over all, not to mention every Church has come under the Political Power nowadays and has turned their backs on Christ Jesus in fact.
So very wealthy mate and such gets about with many such snobs, who's whole life revolves about living a lie and falsehood boasting and living in a bubble or a vacuum a void ? for they get offended if one just talks about reality ? Because they talk about fantasy land ! this is why such become anything goes regardless ? Gay issues being a totally non issue regardless or wife swapping etc you name it, for they are so depraved ! That type of do not look up to anyone truly in reality ? yes they have idols ! but idols are a deception !
So my wealthy mate has to fit in with that crowed of stuck up trash, he is not one, but he has too be seen with them for many reasons. but he could never speak his own mind among them. but this Rubs off in a way on him.
The thing is that the Rub works against Christ Jesus, that's the point ! one is living a Lie ? Did St Peter live that way, No ! hell No ! i think we should be like Peter, yes we will cop it like he did to be sure. but we do such truly for them ! Sure the sewer Rats don't respect such, but in truth they respect nothing anyway, but are vain and corrupted dupes or worse !
BarneyFife
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2 Peter 3:1-18
1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Hello @BarneyFife,
In sight of quoting this letter second letter by Peter perhaps to the same group he wrote to before, is there some of your own thoughts you would like to share? Anything that may be on your heart? Anything lead by the spirit?
Love to you,
Matthew
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Hello @Reggie Belafonte
All my friends have been mostly drug addicts.
Just shared with my mother about Jesus speaking how a good tree cant produce bad fruit and a bad tree cant produce good fruit.
A bad tree in a desert, can be transplanted near a bank of a river to recieve food and nurshmient, saving its life.
Its Jesus who saves, and God through Christ saved and reconciled the world.
All people drug addicts, pedophiles, murderers, transexuals, homosexuals, polticians, even people who see nothing wrong with themselves are in need of him as the solution.
Being like Peter, or just being Jesus to other people by the spirit is important just as much as setting healthy boundries with other people. Sometimes one has to let go and not go back too, kicking dust off their feet and hope for the best outcome even if you and that person are in fact bad influences to one another as there is no good produced only death to the soul (mind/will/emotion).
These are just some thoughts that come to mind, and looking towards Yahava and his son proudce a sound mind, that is not of fear but of love from Christ with-in, praise be to our Father whom we serve to help us serve others in faith though some may not even be all about Christ; From my perspective its okay to let them Go. God lets them go and make their own choice, just pray for all of them, when you get the time.
You could see a changed life perhaps the next time you see them, and Yahava is looking for us to reach out to him as he reaches down to us.
All in love,
Matthew
BarneyFife
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I was just now thinking about how thrilled Peter must have been at the thought of seeing his beloved Master and Friend again. I'd love to see that reunion myself. I once saw an angel. I'd like to see him (it?). He was probably assigned to me so we'd have lots to talk about. One really nice thing about Jesus's return will be the expanse of eternity ahead with no unnecessary time limits to encumber us so we don't have to worry about who we're going to visit with first, etc.
And then, of course, there's all the things we'll have to do with our time. I can imagine Jesus showing me how to do carpenter work as He sings hymns softly and tells me how much He loves me, personally. Of course, family and friends will be there, too, so I wouldn't hog him all to myself.
There's no night there, so we could take tours of the city that last for days on end—140k square miles worth!
Yeah, so don't get me started - lol. :)
BarneyFife,
Where do you get the idea that it deals with the times of today? Many people continue to say that, and of course that was why the original post was made. What is it you are hoping to happen?
You know, even Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world", why do people believe he is gonna restore it?
Is it because of the English language?
Is that your hope, like many others a new world, where there is no more pain, suffering?
Which brings up another question, is there any scripture that admits that this world here will actually end, aside from the naturally quoted scripture "the elements burned up", that did actually literally happen, which Peter warned about, but many look at that as it will happen to America, or Austrila, or Germany, or any place a Christian may live with this as their mindset of hope with Jesus coming, and an end to this world as many people know it.
Another question is that, if this world ends and everyone dies on it, who would be left to enter into the Kingdom that is not of this world that Jesus was speaking about?
All in love, @BarneyFife, and respect, in Christ,
Matthew
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Cadyandzoe,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matters,
All in love,
Matthew
Jack,
Always a pleasure to see you comment,
Nothing to say here personally,
Always in love,
Matthew
Ronald Nolette
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Well one has to learn how words were used by the biblical authors.
Since Pentecost we are in the last age-the church age.
Since 1948 we are living in the end times.
How much longer this age and this time last is known only by God.
Stumpmaster
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The carnal mind set, is to drag everyone down for your pleasure ? so as to serve ones ego ? nothing to do with bring one up ? they never do such for they are set in this world, sure we pray that they will come forward and not backwards, so i do all that i can within reason to guide one to Christ Jesus, but they have to want too help themselves.
Reggie,
Absolutely, they have to be willingly themselves.
Thank you for sharing.
Love you,
Matthew
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