Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

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Jim B

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Writing "LOL" to my writing "Try reading the Bible to understand the law and the spirit, legal matters vs spiritual matters. Then perhaps you won't write more nonsense like the above" is childish! Is that really the best you can come up with? Very sad!
 

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Writing "LOL" to my writing "Try reading the Bible to understand the law and the spirit, legal matters vs spiritual matters. Then perhaps you won't write more nonsense like the above" is childish! Is that really the best you can come up with? Very sad!

You are laughable....
 

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Poor excuse. You operate your cell phone. It is a mindless machine.

I have no idea what you mean by "Are we to believe witnesses?" About what? Who are they? You believe Catholic false doctrine.

I was speaking to someone else who said to read the Bible, I said are we to believe witnesses acts 1:8?
 

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Please name a contradiction you think is true?
I have many times . You just do as you always do , Ye RUN to your source the CC , cut copy and paste .
YET you wont do the one thing necessary . READ BIBLE FOR YOU . Stop reading it through the lens of the CC
READ it for yourself . TILL ya do , I only pray for you .
 

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I was speaking to someone else who said to read the Bible, I said are we to believe witnesses acts 1:8?
You are to test any man that speaks against the wholesome words of truth in that bible . YE follow what you do not know
but lambs follow Christ . You know not what spirit you are of . But lambs test ALL spirits for many false prophets have abounded .
NOW OPEN BIBLE and FLEE THE CC before its forever too late .
 

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Why are Catholics so fixated on Mary? Why does every Catholic church have a significant number of statues and shrines to Mary on the premises and only the giant crucifix with Christ hanging on the cross and maybe a handful of stained glass windows depicting Him? Why do Catholics have shrines to Mary in their front yard and NOT a cross?

Satan's behind it, he's suckered them into thinking praying to Jesus's human mum and to human "saints" is fine.
When the disciples asked Jesus how they should pray he replied "Our Father which art in heaven...".
Therefore a prayer to Mary and "saints" is about as effective as firing blanks..:)
 

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It’s true but virgin birth is based on Isa 7:14

Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Without Mary being immaculate the Holy Spirit could not conceive the “holy” son of God in Her!

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!

Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!

Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!
Lk 1:30


All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30
 

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It’s true but virgin birth is based on Isa 7:14

Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Without Mary being immaculate the Holy Spirit could not conceive the “holy” son of God in Her!

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!

Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!

Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!
Lk 1:30


All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30

Oy vey! More babbling!

"Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!" is a lie. She is not the mother of God! She is not "ever virgin"! She is not sinless. She is not the mother of our salvation. None of that is in the Bible. It's all lies.

Mary was not sinless. That is not in the Bible either.

"None of satan's works are found in Mary" is a lie. She was not sinless!

The woman in Revelation 12:1 is not Mary. Another lie!

She is not the mother of our salvation. Unbiblical garbage!

"Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!" is yet another lie.

"Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!" is yet another lie.

You will have to answer to God for all your lies!!! May God have mercy on your soul! (But I doubt that He will!!!)








 

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Satan's behind it, he's suckered them into thinking praying to Jesus's human mum and to human "saints" is fine.
When the disciples asked Jesus how they should pray he replied "Our Father which art in heaven...".
Therefore a prayer to Mary and "saints" is about as effective as firing blanks..:)
The essentials of the doctrine of the Communion of Saints was well established in all of Christianity before the Bible was fully ratified. The so called reformers rejected it for political reasons, not the truth of Scripture.

Contrary to many non-Catholic claims, biblical evidence for these practices is abundant.

1) We ask others on earth to pray for us.

2) Angels (many passages) and dead saints (Rev 6:9-10) care very much for us.

3) Angels are aware of earthly events (Lk 15:10, 1 Cor 4:9, and many other passages); so are dead saints (Heb 12:1). Moreover, angels are extremely intelligent and can deduce our thoughts and follow our actions.

4) We observe both angels (Rev 8:3-4; cf. Tob 12:12-15) and dead saints (Rev 5:8) presenting our prayers to God, and know from other passages that they intercede for us (Jer 15:1; 2 Macc 15:13-14).

5) The Bible says that the prayers of the righteous are very powerful in their effects (Jas 5:16-18). How much more the prayers of perfected saints (Mt 22:30; 1 Jn 3:2) and always-sinless angels?

6) Men also talk to dead men (1 Sam 28:12-15; cf. Sir 46:20; Mt 17:1-3; 27:50-53; Rev 11:3) and angels on numerous occasions, and angels initiate discourse with human beings (Gen 21:17-18; when Jesus Christ was born); this is scarcely distinguishable from invocation of them.

7) Petitions made to angels are granted (Gen 19, 32, 48).

8) Therefore, it follows that we can ask either to intercede.

Often there is confusion over Catholics’ use of the phrase, “praying to saints.” Protestants typically think that we can’t communicate to anyone who is not alive on this earth, and that to do so is tantamount to “praying” to them, and that this is wrong, because [so they claim] one can only pray to God.

They’re wrong. We can ask them to pray for us (which is what Catholics who know anything about their faith mean by “praying to saints”), and that is not prayer, if by prayer we mean (as Protestants believe) only that they grant our requests under their own power. No they don’t. They make powerful requests to God, Who then decides whether to grant our requests or not. They are intercessors to God, not the granters of the prayers.

That said, Catholics often use the phrase “pray[ing] to saints”: meaning “asking them to intercede.” St. Thomas Aquinas makes a very useful clarification:

Prayer is offered to a person in two ways: first, as to be fulfilled by him, secondly, as to be obtained through him. On the first way we offer prayer to God alone, since all our prayers ought to be directed to the acquisition of grace and glory, which God alone gives, according to Psalm 83:12, “The Lord will give grace and glory.” But in the second way we pray to the saints, whether angels or men, not that God may through them know our petitions, but that our prayers may be effective through their prayers and merits.”
(Summa Theologica, Second Part of the Second Part, Question 83:4: “Should We Pray to God Alone?”)

Satan is not behind this, as Dropship claims. Thoughtless flaming zingers is his only reply.
 

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If Jesus taught that He could have asked for the assistance of angels (Matthew 26:53) — and He certainly would not have been worshiping them in so doing — then we, who obviously need their help far more than the Lord Jesus Christ, can do the same without necessarily engaging in idolatry (after all, anything can become an idol if we let it).

It stands to reason that if angels are so aware of our doings and even thoughts, as indicated in Luke 15:10 and 1 Corinthians 4:9, then they certainly would be cognizant of our pleas to them. Protestants can only deny this by maintaining that such requests are synonymous with either the worship of God or the communication with evil spirits by means of a medium or other occultic practice. This is nonsense. Dropship's accusation (Satan is behind it) is sheer nonsense.

The Catholic Church, so its detractors claim, is guilty of “adding to the faith.” Even if this were true, would it be any worse than Protestantism’s tragic “shrinking” of Christianity down to a minimalistic, “lowest common denominator” type of belief-system? The present subject is a case-in-point, illustrating the bankruptcy of the truncated forms of Christianity existing within Protestantism, when it comes to so many avenues of grace which are either obliterated or ignored.

Classic Reflections on the Communion of Saints | Dave Armstrong
 

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Why should anybody want to pray to Mary and "saints" instead of directly to God?
When the disciples said "teach us to pray", Jesus replied "Our Father which art in heaven...", or have I missed a verse where he said "Pray to my mum"?
Mary and saints are just dead humans asleep in Jesus "..for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thess 4:13/14) so they can't hear us anyway..:)
 
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If Jesus taught that He could have asked for the assistance of angels (Matthew 26:53) — and He certainly would not have been worshiping them in so doing — then we, who obviously need their help far more than the Lord Jesus Christ, can do the same without necessarily engaging in idolatry (after all, anything can become an idol if we let it).

It stands to reason that if angels are so aware of our doings and even thoughts, as indicated in Luke 15:10 and 1 Corinthians 4:9, then they certainly would be cognizant of our pleas to them. Protestants can only deny this by maintaining that such requests are synonymous with either the worship of God or the communication with evil spirits by means of a medium or other occultic practice. This is nonsense. Dropship's accusation (Satan is behind it) is sheer nonsense.

The Catholic Church, so its detractors claim, is guilty of “adding to the faith.” Even if this were true, would it be any worse than Protestantism’s tragic “shrinking” of Christianity down to a minimalistic, “lowest common denominator” type of belief-system? The present subject is a case-in-point, illustrating the bankruptcy of the truncated forms of Christianity existing within Protestantism, when it comes to so many avenues of grace which are either obliterated or ignored.

Classic Reflections on the Communion of Saints | Dave Armstrong

This is first class sophistry. Jesus didn't ask for the assistance of angels; neither should we. Jesus' is our helper, not spiritual beings. Therein lies one of the most serious errors of the Catholic church. Instead of going directly to the Savior, Jesus Christ, you find it necessary to go through intermediaries -- "saints", Mary, "priests", et al.

"... the bankruptcy of the truncated forms of Christianity existing within Protestantism, when it comes to so many avenues of grace which are either obliterated or ignored" is insanity! You think that all the extraneous nonsense that has been added to the truth of Christ and the Bible is necessary and/or desirable? Wow! The Pope and his minions really have you under their spell! Why don't you just go all the way and revert back to Judaism? A tribe of priests! A collection of laws (that are impossible to keep)! Erecting false "golden calf" idols to worship! Bilking the masses out of whatever money they may have -- sacrifices! -- to support a huge bureaucracy, ornate buildings, a legion of clerics, etc. etc. etc.

Jesus came to earth, taught us, died, and was resurrected to set us free and give us the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. Tragically, that's not good enough for you. You need more and more and more and more and more... ad infinitum!
 

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It’s true but virgin birth is based on Isa 7:14

You know that was his wife.
And that whole storyline was about the faith of a king. Not a messiah.

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

This has nothing to do with perpetual Virginity


Without Mary being immaculate the Holy Spirit could not conceive the “holy” son of God in Her!

Again I love Miriam and I am sure she is great.
Of course the story of immaculate conception you know is not biblical.
But on the other hand Yahweh's ability to manipulate the womb is well documented in the Old Testament....so it could have happened.
Then I do not think the same thing Happen with Yeshua, I believe Yahweh cast His seed into her womb the old fashion way.

Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!

She is the Mother of Yeshua....not Yahweh...

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

This has nothing to do about being a spiritual mother.

You do not have to quote scripture for me to know that Miriam is very active and very wonderful.
Pray to her all the time.
 
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I have many times . You just do as you always do , Ye RUN to your source the CC , cut copy and paste .
YET you wont do the one thing necessary . READ BIBLE FOR YOU . Stop reading it through the lens of the CC
READ it for yourself . TILL ya do , I only pray for you .

I have heard scripture proclaimed since I was a babe, it is written on my heart..

Why then would I flee the Feast?

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