Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

[Grailhunter]

"mary ever virgin is miraculous in her conception, in the conception of Jesus by the HS and in giving birth and in remaining a virgin is miraculous!!!!!!" That is an unscriptural lie! Who is the father of lies? Satan! Stop believing him and believe God!!!

You guys look over that Bible only fence and find things you like and don't like. Miriam's conception and assentation to heaven in bodily form is not biblical....so say that and that is enough. No reason to blasphemy.

People that are not Bible only can have wedding ceremonies.....but Bible only people if they have wedding ceremonies....they are doing something that is not in the Bible....and LOL and the sources of the custom of wedding ceremonies are Pagan!

People that are not Bible only can denounce slavery.....Bible only people are stuck back in the Bible with slavery being a norm.

People that are not Bible only would not think of selling their daughters as sex slaves.....the Bible only people have no biblical direction to stop concubinage or polygamy.

The only reason that Bible only people know that the world is not flat...stars do not fall to earth....disease and PMS is not caused by demons.....the moon does not rise....it orbits....the sun does not rise, we orbit around it and rotate....LOL....the only reason they know this is because they looked over the Bible only fence.

Bible only people have a tendency to think of education and science as a bad thing...false. So the next time you have a heart attack do not use the techy witchy devise to call the science mobile....ambulance....do not let it take you to the science building.... hospital. Sit down and read the Bible until you are dead.

 

[Jim B]

You guys look over that Bible only fence and find things you like and don't like. Miriam's conception and assentation to heaven in bodily form is not biblical....so say that and that is enough. No reason to blasphemy.

People that are not Bible only can have wedding ceremonies.....but Bible only people if they have wedding ceremonies....they are doing something that is not in the Bible....and LOL and the sources of the custom of wedding ceremonies are Pagan!

People that are not Bible only can denounce slavery.....Bible only people are stuck back in the Bible with slavery being a norm.

People that are not Bible only would not think of selling their daughters as sex slaves.....the Bible only people have no biblical direction to stop concubinage or polygamy.

The only reason that Bible only people know that the world is not flat...stars do not fall to earth....disease and PMS is not caused by demons.....the moon does not rise....it orbits....the sun does not rise, we orbit around it and rotate....LOL....the only reason they know this is because they looked over the Bible only fence.

Bible only people have a tendency to think of education and science as a bad thing...false. So the next time you have a heart attack do not use the techy witchy devise to call the science mobile....ambulance....do not let it take you to the science building.... hospital. Sit down and read the Bible until you are dead.

This diatribe was in response to my post (in response to theefaith) that said "mary ever virgin is miraculous in her conception, in the conception of Jesus by the HS and in giving birth and in remaining a virgin is miraculous!!!!!!" That is an unscriptural lie! Who is the father of lies? Satan! Stop believing him and believe God!!!"

I clearly said that theefaith's post was unScriptural. I assume that either you didn't read my post carefully or you think I am a catholic. Either way, you are clearly attacking the wrong person.

I accept your apology in advance!

 

[amigo de christo]

mare we to believe witnesses?

True witnesses would not contradict the bible . Remember that.
Peter even told the church that the apostels had the more sure word of prophecy . THEY were eye witnesses .
SO yeah we can believe the words of a true witness . THE CC has many false witnesses who have contradicted
the JESUS of said bible as well as the apostels . THUS , me no follow the CC .

 

[Grailhunter]

True witnesses would not contradict the bible . Remember that.
Peter even told the church that the apostels had the more sure word of prophecy . THEY were eye witnesses .
SO yeah we can believe the words of a true witness . THE CC has many false witnesses who have contradicted
the JESUS of said bible as well as the apostels . THUS , me no follow the CC .

Don't take this wrong...I have said several times on this forum that Bible only is a valid belief .... But not mine.
The Holy Spirit....God.....taught Christians many things after the bibleical era. Are they contradictions....it is a matter of debate.

No requirement in the Bible for a wedding ceremony to be married. If Christian learned that wedding ceremonies are the right thing to do....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

The Bible never set a moratorium on polygamy or concubinage. But Christians believe it is wrong now....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

The Bible never set a moratorium on slavery, but now Christians believe slavery is wrong.........is that a contradiction to the Bible?

Christians no longer believe that disease and PMS are caused by demons.....LOL....I am still wondering about PMS.....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

Most Christians live with science and education as part of their lives, in their homes and the vehicles they drive.....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

Christians are in the military that serve in a country that believes in freedom of religion....is that a contradiction to the Bible.

How about women's rights.....should we still hit them over the head with a club when we want to mate with them? Women definitely talk in church today....they are part of husband and wife pastoral teams, they preach and are in the choir and work in the food pantries and other church out reach programs. They are part of church administration....is that a contradiction to the Bible

So what are the contradictions? Is it good to deny the good things that we have learnt along the way. Should we still be practicing polygamy and slavery....so that we are more biblical. Is it a good thing to stand on the soap box and say, "I only believe in the Bible!" When you really do not. Sound good though, but it would not work....

If your Christian neighbor was living with three women without wedding ceremonies and selling his daughters out for concubines and had four slaves...would you think he was a good Christian? He would be in tune with the Bible....so why not?

 

[Illuminator]

True witnesses would not contradict the bible . Remember that.
Peter even told the church that the apostels had the more sure word of prophecy . THEY were eye witnesses .
SO yeah we can believe the words of a true witness . THE CC has many false witnesses who have contradicted
the JESUS of said bible as well as the apostels . THUS , me no follow the CC .

Of course you don't. You no follow the CC based on what you think it is. When thorough biblical explanations are given, (always in defense against stupid insults, like the title of this thread,) you ignore them, like you ignored post #1391. You are comfortably stuck in false notions. It's called cognitive dissonance, a defense mechanism commonly employed by those suffering from intellectual suicide. False witnesses were readily identified and refuted. It's the reason why the Trinity doctrine came into fuller bloom at the Council of Chalcedon. It's authorative verdicts in defense of the Trinity are accepted by Catholics, Orthodox and most Protestants.

THE CC has many false witnesses who have contradicted the JESUS of said bible as well as the apostels .

This is called a flaming zinger; AKA headless chicken comment. It's automatic with anti-Catholics. It's uncharitable and rude. Thinking is not required.
If the historic Church can teach the Trinity infallibly, but be wrong on the doctrine of the Communion of Saints, THAT IS A HOUSE DIVIDED.
So stop being afraid of what Catholics really believe, and review post #1391, and actually reply to the content. Or just leave it alone.

 

[theefaith]

That is because Yeshua is the full Son of God.



Not in the Bible by word or explaination.
No gynecologists to check for hymens in the biblical era.
And you need to do a word study on the word virgin.....that has been going on for centuries.
The best definition of virgin as we like to define it is a woman's testamony....as in..."I have not known a man." that covers all bases.
Now if Miriam would have told the Magi that she had not known a man yet....now we would have ourselves' a story.

And no one called Him Emmanuel or Jesus.

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

 

[theefaith]

That is because Yeshua is the full Son of God.



Not in the Bible by word or explaination.
No gynecologists to check for hymens in the biblical era.
And you need to do a word study on the word virgin.....that has been going on for centuries.
The best definition of virgin as we like to define it is a woman's testamony....as in..."I have not known a man." that covers all bases.
Now if Miriam would have told the Magi that she had not known a man yet....now we would have ourselves' a story.

And no one called Him Emmanuel or Jesus.

A young girl getting pregnant and having a baby is not miraculous!

mary ever virgin is miraculous in her conception, in the conception of Jesus by the HS and in giving birth and in remaining a virgin is miraculous!!!!!!

remember God is giving a SIGN!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

a virgin shall conceive and fully bear a son while still a virgin!

Virgin and mother!
Only God can do this! Lk 1:37

You will find this sign again in rev 12:1

 

[theefaith]

Your "hail Mary" prayer says, at the end, "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death". That clearly is praying to Mary, not to God. Also, those who chant this nonsense refer to themselves as "sinners". Why? Don't you people believe in salvation through Jesus Christ? I am not a sinner; I have been born again and am eternally saved into Jesus Christ's body. In God's eyes, my sins have been fully paid for by Him.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." NET or "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God" RSV and others

you misunderstand grace and redemption justification sanctification and salvation

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

why does Paul call himself the greatest sinner?

prayer to God thru her intercession, the queen mother receives our petitions

 

[Jim B]

Don't take this wrong...I have said several times on this forum that Bible only is a valid belief .... But not mine.
The Holy Spirit....God.....taught Christians many things after the bibleical era. Are they contradictions....it is a matter of debate.

No requirement in the Bible for a wedding ceremony to be married. If Christian learned that wedding ceremonies are the right thing to do....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

The Bible never set a moratorium on polygamy or concubinage. But Christians believe it is wrong now....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

The Bible never set a moratorium on slavery, but now Christians believe slavery is wrong.........is that a contradiction to the Bible?

Christians no longer believe that disease and PMS are caused by demons.....LOL....I am still wondering about PMS.....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

Most Christians live with science and education as part of their lives, in their homes and the vehicles they drive.....is that a contradiction to the Bible?

Christians are in the military that serve in a country that believes in freedom of religion....is that a contradiction to the Bible.

How about women's rights.....should we still hit them over the head with a club when we want to mate with them? Women definitely talk in church today....they are part of husband and wife pastoral teams, they preach and are in the choir and work in the food pantries and other church out reach programs. They are part of church administration....is that a contradiction to the Bible

So what are the contradictions? Is it good to deny the good things that we have learnt along the way. Should we still be practicing polygamy and slavery....so that we are more biblical. Is it a good thing to stand on the soap box and say, "I only believe in the Bible!" When you really do not. Sound good though, but it would not work....

If your Christian neighbor was living with three women without wedding ceremonies and selling his daughters out for concubines and had four slaves...would you think he was a good Christian? He would be in tune with the Bible....so why not?

It's really unfortunate that you don't understand what the Bible, especially the Christian portion, is all about. It is a spiritual book, designed to teach spiritual truths to those capable of understanding them (meaning you).

Try reading the Bible to understand the law and the spirit, legal matters vs spiritual matters. Then perhaps you won't wrtite more nonsense like the above.

 

[theefaith]

"mary ever virgin is miraculous in her conception, in the conception of Jesus by the HS and in giving birth and in remaining a virgin is miraculous!!!!!!" That is an unscriptural lie! Who is the father of lies? Satan! Stop believing him and believe God!!!

for a virgin to conceive and give birth and still be a virgin requires God working miracles!

Lk 1:37

 

[theefaith]

Revelation 12:1, "Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars." That doesn't refer to Mary! When was Mary clothed with the sun and wearing a crown of 12 stars? Never!!!

Mary is not "ever virgin"! That is a Catholic lie! It's an attempt to put virginity into an idealized form of womanhood; a curse to all women who have gotten pregnant and are blamed by men for not being perfect. Virginity is simply the state of a female who has never had intercourse. Once she, including Mary, has intercourse that description no longer applies.

a) Jesus had brothers, whom Mary gave birth to and b) the term in Isaiah 7:14 is Hebrew for "young woman". Isaiah 7:14, "For this reason the Lord himself will give you a confirming sign. Look, this young woman is about to conceive and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name him Immanuel." The Hebrew word used here (עַלְמָה, ʿalmah) simply means "young woman"; he word is simply the feminine form of the corresponding masculine noun עֶלֶם (ʿelem, “young man”; cf. 1 Sam 17:56; 20:22)."

that’s a miraculous SIGN IN YOURE OPINION?

rev 12:1 is the child is Jesus?

 

[Jim B]

for a virgin to conceive and give birth and still be a virgin requires God working miracles!

Lk 1:37

Until she has intercourse with her husband and produces other children. As I have shown you over and over, the Bible clearly says that Jesus had brothers. Stop lying and contradicting God's word!

 

[Jim B]

that’s a miraculous SIGN IN YOURE OPINION?

rev 12:1 is the child is Jesus?

No. Why can't you understand that Revelation is a vision? The woman, the child, the dragon, flying horses, etc. are all imaginary. Do you think this has happened? "Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth." Revelation 12:4

BTW, I recommend you take a class in the English language. You make one error after another. The latest: "YOURE OPINION" and "is the child is Jesus?"

 

[theefaith]

Are you writing about horses again? "mare", "reins".

iPhone does that

Are we to believe witnesses?

 

[theefaith]

True witnesses would not contradict the bible . Remember that.
Peter even told the church that the apostels had the more sure word of prophecy . THEY were eye witnesses .
SO yeah we can believe the words of a true witness . THE CC has many false witnesses who have contradicted
the JESUS of said bible as well as the apostels . THUS , me no follow the CC .

Please name a contradiction you think is true?

 

[Jim B]

iPhone does that

Are we to believe witnesses?

Poor excuse. You operate your cell phone. It is a mindless machine.

I have no idea what you mean by "Are we to believe witnesses?" About what? Who are they? You believe Catholic false doctrine.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Sit down and read the Bible until you are dead.

But then (as a Born again Christian) you'd be in a much better place than this. Explain why that's a BAD thing.

 

[Grailhunter]

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Yes I know.
For virgin birth it would need to be said after she had delivered Yeshua.

 

[Grailhunter]

It's really unfortunate that you don't understand what the Bible, especially the Christian portion, is all about. It is a spiritual book, designed to teach spiritual truths to those capable of understanding them (meaning you).

Try reading the Bible to understand the law and the spirit, legal matters vs spiritual matters. Then perhaps you won't wrtite more nonsense like the above.

LOL

 

[Grailhunter]

But then (as a Born again Christian) you'd be in a much better place than this. Explain why that's a BAD thing.

Kool....try it.