Catholic means of universal
all scripture is inspired don’t say nothing about context!
scripture is scripture even one word!
see we really do believe, you don’t even a simple verse lk 1:34
Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?
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Catholic means of universal
all scripture is inspired don’t say nothing about context!
scripture is scripture even one word!
see we really do believe, you don’t even a simple verse lk 1:34
Jim B
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You are sounding crazier by the minute! You quote from Daniel and 2 Maccabees -- writings!
Jim B
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More of your usual nonsense!
To attack the church or her holy doctrine of s [sic] to attack Christ her founder! I am not attacking the church -- the body of Christ -- but your false denominational doctrine.
You simply don't believe or understand the Bible -- God's written word -- but the teachings of your fallible priests. You are spiritually blind!
Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles -- which is not the Catholic denomination.
Catholicism drives a wedge between Christ and his true church (His body), separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant, and gives it to unscriptural men who distort God's truth!
Jim B
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"catholic" (uncapitalized) means "universal"; "Catholic" (capitalized) is a denomination. Obviously you don't know the difference.
"all scripture is inspired don’t say nothing about context!" is meaningless (and poor English).
you wrote "scripture is scripture even one word". More nonsense! How about thse quotes from the Bible Job 23:8, “If I go to the east, he [God] is not there, and to the west, yet I do not perceive him." and Psalm 14:1a, “There is no God." Either you're lying or Scripture must be read in context (if you even understand what that means!)
Luke 1:34, " Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I have not been intimate with a man?” This refers to the time until she said it, not afterward. Learn to read!!!!
amigo de christo
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Which proves my point . What BOOK did GOD put me in WHEN he called me out of the darkness . THE BIBLE .
SO READ IT and stop following the CC . Her paths lead to perdition . Thee faith i am so worried for you . You wont make it
on the day of judgement . Instead the apostles themselves are gonna be the voices of judgment against you .
As will the words o Christ . Now OPEN THE BIBLE and start learning for yourself . Your leaders have failed you as they have
millions up millions through all ages . Come out of her and never look back . I say this with the most sense of urgency .
Hurry .
it would be if they were dead
Better check your Bible
Jn 11:25
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
we pray to God thru the intercession of Mary
the king that’s Jesus has a queen mother who receives our petitions
1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.
a type of Mary!
Mary’s throne
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
ONLY A KING AND A QUEEN SIT ON A THRONE!
Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!
Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!
Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!
and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments
you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”
“My hour has not come”
The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2
and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11
amigo de christo
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Faith comes by hearing and HEARING by the WORD of GOD . OPEN BIBLE , HURRY . HURRY .
amigo de christo
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Believe all of it . including acts two verse forty two . BUT DONT BELIEVE THE CC . DONT DO THAT .
TO all on this post , DO NOT ENTER into any kind of covenant with that Church . I say this before GOD and all men .
And i say it with great urgency and much love for all .
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A young girl getting pregnant and having a baby is not miraculous!
mary ever virgin is miraculous in her conception, in the conception of Jesus by the HS and in giving birth and in remaining a virgin is miraculous!!!!!!
remember God is giving a SIGN!
You will find this sign again in rev 12:1
Illuminator
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“Witnesses” of Hebrews 12:1 (Communion of Saints)
This is the Greek word martus, from which is derived the English word “martyr.”
1) Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Joseph H. Thayer, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House, 4th ed., 1977; orig. 1901, 392) defines it — as used in this verse — as follows:
[Strong’s word #3144; similar usages cited by Thayer: Lk 24:48; Acts 1:8; 1:22; 2:32; 3:15; 5:32; 10:39; 13:31; 26:16; 1 Pet 5:1 – the sense is indisputable in these other verses]
2) Word Studies in the New Testament (Marvin R. Vincent, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1980; orig. 1887; vol. 4, 536), another standard Protestant language source, comments on this verse as follows:
3) Word Pictures in the New Testament (A. T. Robertson [Baptist], Nashville, Tennessee: Broadman Press, 1932, vol. 5, 432), comments:
4) Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, (ed. Gerhard Kittel & Gerhard Friedrich; tr. and abridged by Geoffrey W. Bromiley, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1985; 567), an impeccable and widely-used linguistic (non-Catholic) source, states:
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This is the Greek word martus, from which is derived the English word “martyr.”
1) Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Joseph H. Thayer, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House, 4th ed., 1977; orig. 1901, 392) defines it — as used in this verse — as follows:
“One who is a spectator of anything, e.g. of a contest, Heb 12:1.”
[Strong’s word #3144; similar usages cited by Thayer: Lk 24:48; Acts 1:8; 1:22; 2:32; 3:15; 5:32; 10:39; 13:31; 26:16; 1 Pet 5:1 – the sense is indisputable in these other verses]
2) Word Studies in the New Testament (Marvin R. Vincent, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1980; orig. 1887; vol. 4, 536), another standard Protestant language source, comments on this verse as follows:
‘Witnesses’ does not mean spectators, but those who have borne witness to the truth, as those enumerated in chapter 11. Yet the idea of spectators is implied, and is really the principal idea. The writer’s picture is that of an arena in which the Christians whom he addresses are contending in a race, while the vast host of the heroes of faith who, after having borne witness to the truth, have entered into their heavenly rest, watches the contest from the encircling tiers of the arena, compassing and overhanging it like a cloud, filled with lively interest and sympathy, and lending heavenly aid.
3) Word Pictures in the New Testament (A. T. Robertson [Baptist], Nashville, Tennessee: Broadman Press, 1932, vol. 5, 432), comments:
‘Cloud of witnesses’ (nephos marturon . . . The metaphor refers to the great amphitheatre with the arena for the runners and the tiers upon tiers of seats rising up like a cloud. The martures here are not mere spectators (theatai), but testifiers (witnesses) who testify from their own experience (11:2,4-5, 33, 39) to God’s fulfilling promises as shown in chapter 11.
[Note that the notion of “spectators” is the primary metaphor — the arena — so that both meanings: that of spectators and witnesses in the sense of example are present. Neither can be ruled out]4) Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, (ed. Gerhard Kittel & Gerhard Friedrich; tr. and abridged by Geoffrey W. Bromiley, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1985; 567), an impeccable and widely-used linguistic (non-Catholic) source, states:
“In Heb. 12:1 the witnesses watching the race seem to be confessing witnesses (cf. 11:2), but this does not exclude the element of factual witness.”
So our four non-Catholic language references all confirm that the element of “spectatorship,” which lends itself to the Catholic notion of communion of saints, where saints in heaven are aware of, and observe events on earth, is present in Hebrews 12:1, and cannot be ruled out by any means, on the basis of a doctrinal bias.
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Invocation of the Saints = Necromancy? [10-18-08]
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Invocation of Saints & the Bible: Dialogue [2-14-10]
Grailhunter
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Because people make things up and insert them into Christians beliefs. Do not believe words and phrases that are not in the Bible....they are man-made theological terms that have definitions and meaning that are not in the Bible. Usually their intent is to deceive and or promote false beliefs or doctrines.
Grailhunter
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That is because Yeshua is the full Son of God.
Not in the Bible by word or explaination.
No gynecologists to check for hymens in the biblical era.
And you need to do a word study on the word virgin.....that has been going on for centuries.
The best definition of virgin as we like to define it is a woman's testamony....as in..."I have not known a man." that covers all bases.
Now if Miriam would have told the Magi that she had not known a man yet....now we would have ourselves' a story.
And no one called Him Emmanuel or Jesus.
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Jim B
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Your "hail Mary" prayer says, at the end, "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death". That clearly is praying to Mary, not to God. Also, those who chant this nonsense refer to themselves as "sinners". Why? Don't you people believe in salvation through Jesus Christ? I am not a sinner; I have been born again and am eternally saved into Jesus Christ's body. In God's eyes, my sins have been fully paid for by Him.
Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." NET or "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God" RSV and others
Jim B
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"mary ever virgin is miraculous in her conception, in the conception of Jesus by the HS and in giving birth and in remaining a virgin is miraculous!!!!!!" That is an unscriptural lie! Who is the father of lies? Satan! Stop believing him and believe God!!!
this ain’t second grade there ain’t no gold star for spelling or good English or grammer
Jim B
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Revelation 12:1, "Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars." That doesn't refer to Mary! When was Mary clothed with the sun and wearing a crown of 12 stars? Never!!!
Mary is not "ever virgin"! That is a Catholic lie! It's an attempt to put virginity into an idealized form of womanhood; a curse to all women who have gotten pregnant and are blamed by men for not being perfect. Virginity is simply the state of a female who has never had intercourse. Once she, including Mary, has intercourse that description no longer applies.
a) Jesus had brothers, whom Mary gave birth to and b) the term in Isaiah 7:14 is Hebrew for "young woman". Isaiah 7:14, "For this reason the Lord himself will give you a confirming sign. Look, this young woman is about to conceive and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name him Immanuel." The Hebrew word used here (עַלְמָה, ʿalmah) simply means "young woman"; he word is simply the feminine form of the corresponding masculine noun עֶלֶם (ʿelem, “young man”; cf. 1 Sam 17:56; 20:22)."
Jim B
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