None of those prove Mary was without original sin. It is by the seed of man that sin is passed down, Mary had a virgin womb thus she was pure (Innocent), not immaculate.
Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?
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None of those prove Mary was without original sin. It is by the seed of man that sin is passed down, Mary had a virgin womb thus she was pure (Innocent), not immaculate.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)
Taken
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Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
Jim B
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Until she gave birth to Jesus and His siblings. All females have a virgin womb prior to their first pregnancy.
Taken
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You are emerged in wrongful teachings, that you do not KNOW the difference between behaviors between men, and relationships between A man and God.
Yes men can judge men, Yes men can teach men, Yes men can be an light of inspiration to men, Yes men can minister to men.......
God Judges the behavior of A MAN toward God.
God Teaches A MAN His word.
God Forgives A MAN of SIN Against Him.
God Ministry of Reconciliation IS Gods Ministry.
If you ARE UNDER THE LAW...by all means FORGIVE your JEWISH BRETHREN UNDER THE LAW for violation of the LAW (which WAS A SIN) AGAINST YOU...
THAT is the LIMIT of a mans AUTHORITY to forgive SIN.
IF YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW......there IS NO violation of the LAW (called a SIN), that you or any other blow joe (NOT UNDER THE LAW), that they have the power TO FORGIVE SIN.
IF YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.....ANY SIN YOU COMMIT is precisely AGAINST the Lord GOD, and ONLY the Lord GOD CAN forgive your SIN.
The Apostles WERE UNDER THE JEWISH LAW, the entire 3 years time they were walking about LEARNING from Jesus....AS JEWS, the day they received the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT, they became RELEASED from the LAW...and began setting UP Jesus’ Religion According to Jesus’ NEW TESTAMENT....and began establishing CHURCHES, rather than Temples and Synagogs.
The Apostles HAD THE WORD of the Lord God, in their mouths and hearts to teach and preach Gods NEW OFFERING, and not a big secret, they WERE teaching and preaching to JEWS UNDER THE LAW.......eh ya, they continued to FORGIVE their JEWISH BRETHREN of SINS (according to the Jewish Law)...committed against them...
ARE YOU A JEW under the Law, asking men for forgiveness and forgiving men of sins according to Jewish Law? If not, why pretend you have such authority ... or pretend your Gentile teacher’s that you rave about, also not under the law, have such authority? They don’t.
I will suppose this understanding is beyond your capability.
I have no expectation that years of brain-washing will reverse by and through an online forum.
Moriah's Song
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A true Christian, nor a true Christian church does not intentionally twist scripture in order to hold their members captive by "traditions" that are not in scripture! The RCC is well-known for twisting scripture for that reason and even worse, for selling statues of Mary for people to pray to and to kneel to.
Luk 10:16..."He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
The Catholic church does not hear the words of scripture as written.
The Catholic church does rejects the true Jesus by attributting more to Mary than to Jesus.
The Catholic church rejects those who try to leave the RCC or speaks out against its heresies.
Taken
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So?
I have not expressed ANY opposition to Christ’s teachings, Christ’s apostles, Christ’s church as if you need to give me a refresher....
I have been quite clear; It’s YOUR teachings, YOUR pseudo Gentile teachers teachings, YOUR church teachings....that I oppose, disagree with, reject.
Moriah's Song
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You like to keep posting that but the "TRUE" church does not hold traditions over their members heads or by twisting scripture like you do many, many times.
If you really love your church so much, instead of mimicikng its traditions and twisted scripture, why don't you help expose the error of its ways?
Jim B
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Taken
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EXACTLY.
The Catholic Church has devised it’s OWN doctrine, its OWN written text...
That is not secret.
Also not secret, is the Catholic Church is also, the one who promotes...
Reliance on Scripture alone, is NOT profitable, faith alone, is NOT profitable. And How convenient, they just happen to have the TEXT and repetitive FORGIVENESS “fathers” on hand, to “FIX that scripture alone and faith alone” dilemma.
Sounds like the same, ideals the US govt is operating under....create a crises, a premise, a notion of fear, and by golly they just happen to have the “FIX”!
Oldest trick in the book....to take from the same hand that hands you a crisis and a fix....and the naive who doesn’t notice it’s the same hand!
EXACTLY.
The Catholic Church has devised it’s OWN doctrine, its OWN written text...
That is not secret.
Also not secret, is the Catholic Church is also, the one who promotes...
Reliance on Scripture alone, is NOT profitable, faith alone, is NOT profitable. And How convenient, they just happen to have the TEXT and repetitive FORGIVENESS “fathers” on hand, to “FIX that scripture alone and faith alone” dilemma.
Sounds like the same, ideals the US govt is operating under....create a crises, a premise, a notion of fear, and by golly they just happen to have the “FIX”!
Oldest trick in the book....to take from the same hand that hands you a crisis and a fix....and the naive who doesn’t notice it’s the same hand!
Taken
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They can’t. It’s prophetic. God is Just.
Every mans hearts desire will be fulfilled.
A man who seeks God Truth, God will fill his heart, with Gods Truth.
A man who seeks a mans truth, God will fill his heart, with a mans truth.
Thousands of men, wait, listen, press their ear, to the man they have heartfully decided is “their holy father”.
Men who “press their ear” to the only Heavenly Holy Father, are bewildered, why other men don’t get the stark difference.
It’s Gods Justice...all will receive what they seek.
God Bless,
Taken
Start explaining, I’ll wait
Jesus Christ shares or extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
This extends to the truth and to the church founded by Christ to teach all
men!
Cos Jesus Christ is the truth and cos His church is of divine origin, commissioned to teach the truth!
Christians must be taught and that requires humility! Lk 1:4 matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 acts 2:42 acts 8:31
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
Illuminator
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is every truth revealed by christ in scripture?
Is every word He spoke in scripture ?
Is the word of God limited to scripture alone?
There is no list of scripture in scripture!
How does a person know what books, chapters, and verses are scripture and which ones are not?
lk 10:16 applies
Also
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Taken
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Luke 1:
[49] For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
The same great things He does for all who accept Serving Him as He reveals.
Those great things are His Power to accomplish Serving Him.
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