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What in you has been Born Again?
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Not, "what in me" has been reborn. I, myself, have been reborn. I've died with Christ, dead. I was dead. And now I'm risen with Christ, alive. I have been born again.

I was the old man, that man died. Now I am the new man, I've been reborn.

Much love!
 

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Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Not, "what in me" has been reborn. I, myself, have been reborn. I've died with Christ, dead. I was dead. And now I'm risen with Christ, alive. I have been born again.

I was the old man, that man died. Now I am the new man, I've been reborn.

Much love!
Ok, you have posted scripture.

What in you has died and is now in Christ?

What in you was reborn?

No good posting scripture if you can’t back it up by Gods Living witness, His Holy Spirit?

Who witnesses Gods truth to your heart/ spirit?.

The written word...or Gods witness the “ Living “ Holy Spirit?
 

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I've told you multiple times that I am working on replying to your questions, and have asked if you have a reply to what I said about veneration of God's holy servants in post #62, and are there any other answers of mine in post #11 that you want to reply to while you wait, but you don't answer rather just re-ask your questions (that I told you I'm working on) like a robot. So, either something is going on with you, or you're just trying to evade my questions.
It sounds like Catholic’s I believe as a poster said have been indoctrinated.

Therefore are void of any spiritual understanding or truth of God’s word

In other words, they lead themselves through the written word.

I look forward to you answering my questions later, when you have thought on it....in the meantime good day.

No point in discussing with someone who hasn’t yet explained what it means to be Born Of God’s seed.

Therefore I await your explanation...that you said you will post later.
 

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I was already working on replying to your questions, but you caused me to pause on that because you have repeatedly ignored my two latest questions. Discussion is a two-way street.
Just explained above.

Looking forward to reading your answer.
 

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I did more than that, I answered your question with Scripture and comment. I'm not here to prove myself to you, though. If you want a real discussion that would be great!

Much love!
I’m in a real discussion.

Unfortunately because you aren’t understanding my questions...you come up with the post above.

No one asked you to prove yourself.

I asked you who makes our spirit Born Again...that was all, then sadly you took umbrage.

Gods says we are Born Of The Spirit...which means what?

Here is the answer are you understanding Gods word....Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed?

It seems we understand God’s written word very differently?
 

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I was working on replying to your questions, but because you repeatedly ignored my two latest question, you haven't earned reading replies from me. If you want to earn them, then you need to be fair in discussion by answering my latest questions. Until you do, there's no replies from me to look forward to.
Well, until you answer mine, which I’ve asked countless times....there will be no more from me.

I have been fair in discussion, you have not...

There is no shame in not knowing the answer to my question.

Admit it then move on.

Where are the two questions you asked of me?
 

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Again, I was working on replying to your questions, but because you repeatedly ignored my two latest questions, you haven't earned replies to your questions from me. If you want to earn them, then you need to be fair in discussion by answering my two latest questions. Until you do, there's no replies to your questions from me to look forward to.
Where are your two questions?
 

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you aren’t understanding my questions
Your opinion. Personally I think I understand your questions very well. My opinion.

Anyway, I don't see this sort of exchange to be fruitful.

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That's because I'm working on a reply to another question you asked at the moment. While you wait, any reply to what I said about veneration of God's holy servants, and are there any other answers of mine in post #11 that you want to reply to?
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

What in us is Born Again?

We are under the NT?

Are you led by the Living Spirit?

If you don’t know that has been Born Again inside of you, there is no point in discussion further?
 

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In several posts, but the questions are: do you have e a reply to what I said about veneration of God's holy servants in post #62, and are there any other answers of mine in post #11 that you want to reply to while you wait?
I don’t believe that anyone can be venerated of Gods Holy servants.

That makes no sense.

God says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God

Including the pope he must be Born Of The Spirit.

Does he sin?

Do you sin?

You said you sin...so how can you sin if you have been Born Of God’s seed?

I’ve answered all of your posts./ questions.

Now it’s your turn?
 

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Scripture cannot declare itself to be truth,
Sure it can, and does.

"Thy word is Truth".

That's the "Scritpure".

In fact Psalm 138 states..."""Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy name."""

So, God honors His word, and elevates it.. while "bible correctors" and heretics who dont love the word of God, "could not care less". what the bible teaches, as they have their Pope, and Calvin, and numerous other deceivers who trained them to be "scripturally" blind.
 
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I know a bit about the Pope, my friend was a catholic.

Why do catholic’s want to kiss his hand?

Do they think he is God?

Also what about all these Catholic priests who were charged with sex .

They sound like they were wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Hiding behind Almighty Gods Name, to carry out their despicable acts.

You see, how God uncovered them?

God is always watching, he allows the Pope authority on the earth....

What actual purpose do Catholic’s serve in Gods service?

What is also to be revered about the Pope, I think some want to kiss his feet as well....that’s worshiping an idol is it not?

What does Gods word say about worshipping idols?

Do Catholic’s and the pope believe they are Born Of The Spirit?

Maybe I will get some answers from Catholic’s themselves.....?

If they believe they are Born Again.....what does God say about those who have been Born Of His seed?

Have they been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Also what’s with all this confessions they do.?

What brings them to the understanding that their religion is God Truth?

How did they come to that conclusion?
LOL. That's funny. "I know a bit about the Pope. My friend was a Catholic." Is that your claim to fame and knowledge? That's like me saying, "Well, I know a bit about medicine. I had a classmate who became a doctor." Except in this case, there is no guarantee that your Catholic friend actually knew his faith well. In fact, odds are, he/she didn't.

Let's see if we can answer some of your questions...

Why do catholic’s want to kiss his hand?

As a sign of respect for his office. Same reason enlisted military salute officers.

Do they think he is God?

Absolutely not.

They sound like they were wolves in sheep’s clothing. Hiding behind Almighty Gods Name, to carry out their despicable acts.
You see, how God uncovered them?


I'm not sure how to answer these, since they are just general polemical statements without any detail or facts associated with them. It's similar to tellling someone, "Well, you're just a dirty rotten, low-down scoundrel!" Based on what, with what facts, in what context?

God is always watching, he allows the Pope authority on the earth.

God (Jesus) established the office we call Pope in Matt. 16:18-19. It was a dynastic office (means it was intended to have successors) and is in charge of Christ's Church here on earth. In Jesus' day, the kings had second-in-commands who ruled the kingdom when the king was not there (off to war, ill, etc.). Whatever this second-in-command ruled (bound or loosed) was backed up by the king upon his return. The symbol of this second-in-command's authority was a large key (2-3 ft. long) or two, that he carried over his shoulder. (Exmple of such an office is in Isaiah 22:22)

What actual purpose do Catholic’s serve in Gods service?

Catholics, who comprise the majority of Christians on earth, belong to the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ. When Saul (St. Paul by his Hebrew name) was going around persecuting the first Christians, Jesus knocked him off his horse and asked him (Acts 9:4), "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" Note that Jesus didn't say, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute My Church?" which he was actually doing, but "...why do you persecute Me?" Jesus identifies as one with His Church! Persecute His Church and you persecute Christ!

What is also to be revered about the Pope, I think some want to kiss his feet as well....that’s worshiping an idol is it not?

The Pope governs and rules Christ's Church here on earth, with Christ's authority given the position. He is not worshiped. True worship, has at its core, sacrifice. No Catholic I know thinks that the Pope is anything but a man. However, he has Christ's authority, and therefore, should be so respected. We respect governors and presidents and kings (in other countries that have them) because of their position,not their personality.

What does Gods word say about worshipping idols?

God, and His Church, the Catholic Church, roundly condemns worshiping idols.

Every Catholic is born again when he/she is Baptized. One key Scripture reference to being “born again” or “regenerated” is John 3:5, where Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

This verse is so important that those who say baptism is just a symbol must deny that Jesus here refers to baptism. “Born again” some erroneous Christians claim the “water” is the preached word of God.

But the early Christians (the Christians closest in place and time to Christ's earthly walk) uniformly identified this verse with Baptism. Water baptism is the way, they said, that we are born again and receive new life—a fact that is supported elsewhere in Scripture (Rom. 6:3–4; Col. 2:12–13; Titus 3:5). No Church Father referred to John 3:5 as anything other than water baptism.

With regard to the Sacrament of Confession, look at John 20:19-23:

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again,“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

Let's focus on the bold printed portions of this text. First of all, Jesus tells the Apostles that He is sending them "AS the Father has sent me". Well, how did the Father send Jesus? With ALL heavenly authority, INCLUDING the authority to forgive sins!

Next, Jesus "breathed on them." Only two times in ALL Scripture, does God "breathe" on man. Once in Genesis, when He breathed life into Adam, and once here, where Jesus "breathes" on the Apostles! Very important and significant event, both times.

Then, Jesus tells the Apostles, "Whose sins YOU forgive ARE forgiven them and whose sins YOU retain ARE retained." Jesus delegated His Godly authority to forgive sins to the Apostles and their successors. You may say, "Only God can forgive sins." Yes, but God can, and did, delegate His authority to the Apostles and their successors to forgive sins!

The Catholic Church alone can trace her roots directly back to Christ. The Orthodox didn't begin until 1054 A.D., but retained Apostolic Succession, and therefore, all seven Sacraments. Protestantism didn't begin until the 16th century! And it was begun by Catholics who strayed from the faith that had always been taught from the beginning. Today, there are literally tens of thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting Protestant denominations, made by mere men. And all are based on personal interpretation of Scripture, all disagreeing with one another at some point enough to create a new denomination. That cannot be the fullness of Christ's truths that He brought to mankind. The truth doesn't contradict itself.
 
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LOL. That's funny. "I know a bit about the Pope. My friend was a Catholic." Is that your claim to fame and knowledge? That's like me saying, "Well, I know a bit about medicine. I had a classmate who became a doctor." Except in this case, there is no guarantee that your Catholic friend actually knew his faith well. In fact, odds are, he/she didn't.

Let's see if we can answer some of your questions...

Why do catholic’s want to kiss his hand?

As a sign of respect for his office. Same reason enlisted military salute officers.

Do they think he is God?

Absolutely not.

They sound like they were wolves in sheep’s clothing. Hiding behind Almighty Gods Name, to carry out their despicable acts.
You see, how God uncovered them?


I'm not sure how to answer these, since they are just general polemical statements without any detail or facts associated with them. It's similar to tellling someone, "Well, you're just a dirty rotten, low-down scoundrel!" Based on what, with what facts, in what context?

God is always watching, he allows the Pope authority on the earth.

God (Jesus) established the office we call Pope in Matt. 16:18-19. It was a dynastic office (means it was intended to have successors) and is in charge of Christ's Church here on earth. In Jesus' day, the kings had second-in-commands who ruled the kingdoms when the king was not there (off to war, ill, etc.). Whatever this second-in-command ruled (bound or loosed) was backed up by the king upon his return. The symbol of this second-in-command's authority was a large key (2-3 ft. long) or two, that he carried over his shoulder. (Exmple of such an office is in Isaiah 22:22)

What actual purpose do Catholic’s serve in Gods service?

Catholics, who comprise the majority of Christians on earth, belong to the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ. When Saul (St. Paul by his Hebrew name) was going around persecuting the first Christians, Jesus knocked him off his horse and asked him (Acts 9:4), "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" Note that Jesus didn't say, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute My Church?" which he was actually doing, but "...why do you persecute Me?" Jesus identifies as one with His Church! Persecute His Church and you persecute Christ!

What is also to be revered about the Pope, I think some want to kiss his feet as well....that’s worshiping an idol is it not?

The Pope governs and rules Christ's Church here on earth, with Christ's authority given the position. He is not worshiped. True worship, has at its core, sacrifice. No Catholic I know thinks that the Pope is anything but a man. However, he has Christ's authority, and therefore, should be so respected. We respect governors and presidents and kings (in other countries that have them) because of their position,nott their personality.

What does Gods word say about worshipping idols?

God, and His Church, the Catholic Church, roundly condemns worshiping idols.

Every Catholic is born again when he/she is Baptized. One key Scripture reference to being “born again” or “regenerated” is John 3:5, where Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

This verse is so important that those who say baptism is just a symbol must deny that Jesus here refers to baptism. “Born again” some erroneous Christians claim the “water” is the preached word of God.

But the early Christians (the Christians closest in place and time to Christ's earthly walk) uniformly identified this verse with Baptism. Water baptism is the way, they said, that we are born again and receive new life—a fact that is supported elsewhere in Scripture (Rom. 6:3–4; Col. 2:12–13; Titus 3:5). No Church Father referred to John 3:5 as anything other than water baptism.

With regard to the Sacrament of Confession, look at John 20:19-23:

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again,“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

Let's focus on the bold printed portions of this text. First of all, Jesus tells the Apostles that He is sending them "AS the Father has sent me". Well, how did the Father send Jesus? With ALL heavenly authority, INCLUDING the authority to forgive sins!

Next, Jesus "breathed on them." Only two times in ALL Scripture, does God "breathe" on man. Once in Genesis, when He breathed life into Adam, and once here, where Jesus "breathes" on the Apostles! Very important and significant event, both times.

Then, Jesus tells the Apostles, "Whose sins YOU forgive ARE forgiven them and whose sins YOU retain ARE retained." Jesus delegated His Godly authority to forgive sins to the Apostles and their successors. You may say, "Only God can forgive sins." Yes, but God can, and did, delegate His authority to the Apostles and their successors to forgive sins!

The Catholic Church alone can trace her roots back to Christ. The Orthodox didn't begin until 1054 A.D., but retained Apostolic Succession, and therefore, all seven Sacraments. Protestantism didn't begin until the 16th century! And it was begun by Catholics who strayed from the faith that had always been taught from the beginning. Today, there are literally tens of thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting Protestant denominations, made by mere men. And all are based on personal interpretation of Scripture, all disagreeing with one another at some point enough to create a new denomination. That cannot be the fullness of Christ's truths that He brought to mankind. The truth doesn't contradict itself.


Tell me what is the point of posting all of that scripture, if you have no understanding of God’s witness the Living Holy Spirit.

Now maybe you will be able to answer my questions.

We are Born Again of imperishable seed?

What seed have we been Born Again of?

What has been Born Again in you?

You have posted the written word.

Now please back up the written word...by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit?
 

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@Augustin56 ..please explain..Born Again of incorruptible seed?

I’ve highlighted it twice for you.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Which means what?​

1 Peter 1​

King James Version​

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 

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So, you do believe that the veneration of God's holy servants means to venerate God as well?


My other question was are there any other answers of mine in post #11 that you want to reply to?
Nonsensical questions.

Still I await your answer to my questions as well as @Augustin56 .
 

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God (Jesus) established the office we call Pope in Matt. 16:18-19. It was a dynastic office

This is Catholic style nonsense you are posting..
This is the typical.. "Let Catholics reinterpret the verse so that we can keep on doing what we do".

That VERSE, does not say that the church is built on PETER.......The verse says that the REVELATION that Peter had, regarding Jesus being the Messiah, the Son of God, is the CORNERSTONE of the Church.

"And that ROCK.. IS CHRIST".

So, the "cult of mary" decided that it's Peter and not Jesus The LORD who is the foundation of the Church., the "Body of CHRIST".
 
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