Why didn't God destroy Satan at the beginning?

[Kabone]

And again I find it so comforting to know that God causes suffering because it is a part of the script, His plan, His eternal purpose.

Will He cause people to suffer without end? No way. He will ensure that there is an end at some stage in the future.

Yes, He has made a place of suffering for many angels and most humans.

He will cause many humans to suffer in the future, maybe not too far in the future and maybe in our lifetime, such suffering as has never be seen or experienced ever before.

God has planned it and has even told people like John about some of what He is about to do. God is about to do some seriously bad stuff on this planet and to this planet.

But this Designer, Creator and Owner will restore all things and will reconcile everyone to Himself. Then all suffering which He has inflicted on His creations will cease. Hallelujah! What a hope we have in our Creators.

Thank you for your response. God says this:

Jeremiah 10:23 -
O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself.
It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

Proverbs 16:9 -
A man’s heart plans his way,
But the Lord directs his steps.

Is that god, or this that just dudes?

 

[Rockerduck]

Is that god, or this that just dudes?

A major Prophet talking to the LORD God, with the knowledge God Almighty gave him.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Is that god, or this that just dudes?

Having handed them over to a reprobate mind? That they might learn not to blaspheme the Lords name?

James 5:9 : Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.

James 5:10 : As an example, brethren, of suffering and patience, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.

James 5:11 : We count those blessed who endured. You have heard of the endurance of Job and have seen the outcome of the Lord's dealings, that the Lord is full of compassion and is merciful.
^hopeful
Job 42:10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
Yet: Christ went further instructing to not only pray for your friends but to pray for your enemies. Matthew 5:43-45 You have heard that it has been said, You shall love your neighbour, and hate your enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

 

[Runningman]

Why didn't God destroy Satan at the beginning?

God tolerates a lot of things and makes a lot of decisions that may seem counterintuitive to us. Why did God place Adam near a dangerous tree in the first place? Why did God create the world fully omniscient of how things would turn out? We don't know exactly based on Scripture. We may need to drop some previously held assumptions about who God is exactly and/or what His long-term goals are.

 

[One 2 question]

God tolerates a lot of things and makes a lot of decisions that may seem counterintuitive to us.

Yes, God is tolerant with His creations. Who knows how long that has been the case, especially since the rebellion of the angels He created.

But He would've known all this in advance and still caused these things to come to pass. He must've known He was up for this challenge.

We believe that His thoughts, plans and actions never needed our input. He's always been capable of being the ultimate story writer and what we have come to observe and even experience is a testament of His script writing abilities.

If Hollywood could make a movie of history, using God's script, it would top the charts for sure.

 

[One 2 question]

Why did God place Adam near a dangerous tree in the first place?

And why put it right in the middle of the garden? Why make it appealing? Why make the serpent so cunning and crafty? If Satan used the serpent to trick Eve, why allow him to access the serpent?
The questions go on and on.

I love the fact that this is all part of what the Creators imagined and scripted.

 

[One 2 question]

Why did God create the world fully omniscient of how things would turn out?

I love the fact that He not only knew it but planned it for multiple reasons that I don’t have the capacity to comprehend in my present state. Therefore I just apply faith in my sovereign Creators for my lack of knowing and understanding.

I try to keep things simple, well, I have no choice as I'm just a simple guy, who walks in the light my Father provides me, with the love He has for me and downloads into me.

I don't know if He tweeked His script many times before starting on the actual construction of His creation or whether He just got it perfectly right to His liking on the first attempt. Whatever be the case I trust that He knows what He's thinking and doing. And I find comfort knowing that He will do all things for His glory and pleasure. And that sits perfectly with me. I love it! I love Him!!

 

[One 2 question]

We don't know exactly based on Scripture

Yes, exactly. Jesus started to shed some light on what His Father had been up to, what He was doing at that time and what He was planning to do in the future. But Jesus was extremely limited as one person at one point in time.

I guess that's why He said it was to His listeners advantage that He go away so that He could come back in spirit form and enter into them and us 2000 years later. Now that's a pretty crazy concept, but an amazing experience hey. To have the Creator come indwell Their creation.

Anyway, the scriptures, God's thoughts in written form are extremely limited in their scope and content. How many scroll would it take to document what Jesus did in 3 years? Maybe this planet would not be big enough to contain them all. Actually I believe someone else came to that same conclusion. I believe it was a bloke by the named of John.

So Moses had no chance of documenting everything that happened on the day the serpent tricked Eve and Eve ate the fruit on the tree of knowledge.

I have been asking the Spirit of the Creators what They spoke about in the early days, in the garden, as Moses didn't know, didn't say or that oral or written info got lost over time.

Runningman, have you received direct revelation from God in relationing to this topic we're discussing?

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, have you received direct revelation from God in relationing to this topic we're discussing?

The story of the garden is kinda what we knew all along it's just in a different format. The gist is that Adam and Even were perfect and faithful in the beginning. They were happy, beautiful, lived in peace obeying God's commands, and they did not want anything.

Eventually, they disobeyed God by "eating the fruit of the truth" which in turn changed them. Their awareness of what is good and evil changed them; they did not trust God anymore and made an agreement with the enemy (the devil), abandoned their faith in God, gave in to fear, and the love for evil.

It's a story that applies to humanity in a general sense but this is what I believe literally happened with Adam and Eve.

 

[One 2 question]

The story of the garden is kinda what we knew all along it's just in a different format. The gist is that Adam and Even were perfect and faithful in the beginning. They were happy, beautiful, lived in peace obeying God's commands, and they did not want anything.

Eventually, they disobeyed God by "eating the fruit of the truth" which in turn changed them. Their awareness of what is good and evil changed them; they did not trust God anymore and made an agreement with the enemy (the devil), abandoned their faith in God, gave in to fear, and the love for evil.

It's a story that applies to humanity in a general sense but this is what I believe literally happened with Adam and Eve.

Sure. Just a quick question, maybe off topic. Has Eve's Creators communicated with you directly like He did with Eve? I'm thinking She didn't have a scroll or any other means of communication other than an oral language.

Is the Creators capable of communicating with you directly, orally?

 

[Runningman]

Sure. Just a quick question, maybe off topic. Has Eve's Creators communicated with you directly like He did with Eve? I'm thinking She didn't have a scroll or any other means of communication other than an oral language.

Is the Creators capable of communicating with you directly, orally?

Absolutely. When God spoke to the prophets, He either communicated directly with them or through messengers. Often orally, yes, through visions or dreams. What the Bible describes as God speaking to people can be either telepathic communication or an audible voice. God can do those sorts of things, but God isn't the only one who exists that is capable of some of these things. People get deceived and led astray into all sorts of various paths because they think they are talking to God, but they aren't. The Bible calls them prophets, other belief systems use different names. The idea is one can open a line of communication easier with God based on their "frequency" as new age calls it, but in Biblical terms it would be their holiness, walking in the Spirit, and their faith in God that brings them "closer" to God.

 

[One 2 question]

Absolutely. When God spoke to the prophets, He either communicated directly with them or through messengers. Often orally, yes, through visions or dreams. What the Bible describes as God speaking to people can be either telepathic communication or an audible voice. God can do those sorts of things, but God isn't the only one who exists that is capable of some of these things. People get deceived and led astray into all sorts of various paths because they think they are talking to God, but they aren't. The Bible calls them prophets, other belief systems use different names. The idea is one can open a line of communication easier with God based on their "frequency" as new age calls it, but in Biblical terms it would be their holiness, walking in the Spirit, and their faith in God that brings them "closer" to God.

Cool. I'm not so interested in seeking to open up dialogue with others in the spiritual realm, just Eve's Creators.

What have They been communicating to you through dreams, visions etc that you are allowed to share. I would love to hear any new revelation you've received. It can be so encouraging and uplifting hey.

 

[Runningman]

Cool. I'm not so interested in seeking to open up dialogue with others in the spiritual realm, just Eve's Creators.

What have They been communicating to you through dreams, visions etc that you are allowed to share. I would love to hear any new revelation you've received. It can be so encouraging and uplifting hey.

I would actually be careful about "new revelation" since anyone can say something new, make it sound religious, and attach it to Christianity. The New Covenant and sacrifice of Jesus are currently still in effect. There is nothing new to add in a general sense. Most of what is available is old and it's the same for most people. There might be something specific for individuals, but generally speaking it's to keep God's commandments, keep His ways, walk in the truth, remember His life, remember His covenant, and be faithful until the end. Remember His glory and holiness. Everyone needs to repent of their stubborn ways to receive His blessing. Remember the sacrifice of His Son. God is being patient still.

 

[One 2 question]

I would actually be careful

Be careful or full of care is something that just doesn't interest me these days. In fact I reject any care, worry, anxiety and embrace the peace of the Spirit Who lives in me. It's wonderful to practice this and experience that deep inner peace.

 

[One 2 question]

I would actually be careful about "new revelation" since anyone can say something new, make it sound religious, and attach it to Christianity.

New revelation is fantastic. I receive it regularly and thank my Good Shepherd for feeding new truths to me. I have no fear of hearing a wrong voice as I know my Teacher's voice. I reject any other voice that I don't recognise just as Jesus said would be the case, be it a human or spirit's voice.

As one spends more time with Jesus His communication becomes more distictive. Surely you can testify to this truth.

I acknowledge that Satan will try to deceive Jesus's followers as that's his job. But I'm not interested in listening to it and definitely have no interest in entertaining it.

I entertain the truths the Spirit of Christ reveals. They are new and fresh and life giving, life changing transforming me into Christ's likeness Who bears the character of the Creators in me.

This is available to anyone who has received the Spirit. Now that's pretty cool.

 

[One 2 question]

There is nothing new to add in a general sense.

Who told you that? Here is an example of what I said earlier. I reject anything that isn't from the Spirit of Christ and this statement is definitely one that I reject.

When did the Spirit stop communicating with you? When did the Spirit of Truth stop communicating with the church and stop adding to what Jesus gave to us when He was here 2000 years ago?

How Satan has deceived so many and has them fearing the Spirit and practicing the rejection of God's special gift of His precious Spirit. My dear Jesus died so that He could send His precious Spirit to you and me. Oh, it breaks my heart when I see people reject Jesus's present which cost Him His life.

I hope that the Spirit leads you into so much new truth that you fall down before the Father and marvel at the new revelation of our Father in heaven. I love it when the Spirit opens my eyes to see new aspects of our Creators. I hope you and many others get to enjoy Him more deeply and personally.

 

[One 2 question]

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Everyone needs to repent of their stubborn ways to receive His blessing.

I couldn't agree with you more on this one.

 

[Runningman]

Who told you that? Here is an example of what I said earlier. I reject anything that isn't from the Spirit of Christ and this statement is definitely one that I reject.

When did the Spirit stop communicating with you? When did the Spirit of Truth stop communicating with the church and stop adding to what Jesus gave to us when He was here 2000 years ago?

How Satan has deceived so many and has them fearing the Spirit and practicing the rejection of God's special gift of His precious Spirit. My dear Jesus died so that He could send His precious Spirit to you and me. Oh, it breaks my heart when I see people reject Jesus's present which cost Him His life.

I hope that the Spirit leads you into so much new truth that you fall down before the Father and marvel at the new revelation of our Father in heaven. I love it when the Spirit opens my eyes to see new aspects of our Creators. I hope you and many others get to enjoy Him more deeply and personally.

Good morning. what I mean is it's wise to be discerning about the things we believe. I do believe it's possible to feel right while ultimately being deceived. Isn't the proof in the pudding? So many false prophets abound it's just something to be aware of. Also, what I mean is there is nothing new to add is that if the Bible is authoritative then it is the revelation about what is needed to know regarding salvation.

I do have things I would consider "revelation" but I am not sure how I would go about sharing it here or if I really have the authority to. How about you. Do you have anything you want to share about something that was revealed to you?

 

[One 2 question]

Also, what I mean is there is nothing new to add is that if the Bible is authoritative then it is the revelation about what is needed to know regarding salvationit is the revelation about what is needed to know regarding salvation.

Quick question, who said that the bible is authoritive? And what did they mean when they first used this word?

Then who added the idea that 'it is the revelation about what is needed to know regarding salvation'?

 

[One 2 question]

I do have things I would consider "revelation" but I am not sure how I would go about sharing it here or if I really have the authority to.

My friend, I would encourage you to just share it with us. If it's from the Spirit, it was given to you freely so just freely pass it on. Unless He told you not to. Then don't.

What authority does one require to share revelation? There's no greater authority on earth than the Spirit of God Who was sent to us from our Father in heaven. If He gives it then please share it.

No condemnation here.