Why Did Jesus Have to Die?

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If you tell a lie often enough...as if it's an official truth...people WILL buy it...especially if it caters to the flesh.

For example the word "bad" used to mean "not good". But "figuratively" it can mean good in the modern world. And this finds its way into dictionaries because meanings follow society.

There is no forgiveness implied in the word "aphesis". Likewise the Hebrew "Deror" only means freedom. Aphesis is used for Deror across testaments (but that takes too much effort to check). People believe a lie far quicker than the truth. Hence the modern church condition.
Selective usage of the word "forgiveness" @Episkopos -in Greek and Hebrew.

סָלַח (sālaḥ)
Meaning: To forgive, pardon
Usage: This verb is used almost exclusively of God's forgiveness in the Hebrew Bible, emphasizing divine pardon.

Context:
It denotes the act of God forgiving sins, particularly in the context of covenantal relationships. This term highlights God's mercy and willingness to pardon when His people repent.

Examples:
Exodus 34:9: "And he said, 'If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us... and pardon (sālaḥ) our iniquity and our sin.'"

Psalm 103:3: "Who forgiveth (sālaḥ) all thine iniquities, who healeth all thy diseases."
Significance: The term implies divine grace and restoration of the relationship between God and humanity.

2. נָשָׂא (nāśā’)
Meaning: To lift, bear, or carry away (used metaphorically for forgiveness)
Usage: This term conveys the idea of "lifting away" or "bearing" sin, focusing on the removal of the burden of sin and guilt.
Context:
Often associated with God "bearing" the iniquity of His people and forgiving their sins by removing the guilt or punishment.

Examples:

Exodus 34:7: "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving (nāśā’) iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty."

Psalm 32:1: "Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven (nāśā’), whose sin is covered."
Significance: The emphasis here is on the burden of sin being lifted or removed.

3. כָּפַר (kāpar)
Meaning: To cover, atone, or make reconciliation
Usage: Often used in a sacrificial context, kāpar refers to the covering or atonement of sin through a substitute.
Context:
Primarily associated with the Levitical sacrificial system, where blood sacrifices were offered to cover sins and reconcile the sinner to God.

Examples:

Leviticus 4:20: "And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering; so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement (kāpar) for them, and it shall be forgiven them."

Psalm 78:38: "But he, being full of compassion, forgave (kāpar) their iniquity, and destroyed them not."
Significance: This term shows the role of atonement in forgiveness, showing how sins are "covered" through the sacrificial system.

4. מָחָה (māḥāh)
Meaning: To blot out, wipe away
Usage: This term expresses the erasure of sin, removing it entirely as though it never existed.
Context:
Often used in prayers for forgiveness, asking God to "wipe away" transgressions and cleanse the sinner completely.

Examples:

Psalm 51:1: "Have mercy upon me, O God... blot out (māḥāh) my transgressions."

Isaiah 43:25: "I, even I, am he that blotteth out (māḥāh) thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins."
Significance: This term highlights the completeness of God's forgiveness, where sin is erased and no longer held against the sinner.

5. עָבַר (ʿāvar)
Meaning: To pass over, overlook
Usage: While not always translated as forgiveness, ʿāvar conveys the idea of God "passing over" sins, showing forbearance or mercy.

Context:
Used in the context of God’s restraint in judgment, particularly during the Exodus and the institution of Passover.

Examples:
Micah 7:18: "Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth (ʿāvar) iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?"

Exodus 12:13: "When I see the blood, I will pass over (ʿāvar) you."
Significance: This term emphasizes God's merciful patience and willingness to withhold judgment.

Summary of Key Concepts
Hebrew Word Meaning Focus Key Scripture Example
Sālaḥ To pardon, forgive Divine mercy in forgiving sin Exodus 34:9; Psalm 103:3
Nāśā’ To lift, carry away Removal of the burden of sin Exodus 34:7; Psalm 32:1
Kāpar To cover, atone Atonement through sacrifice Leviticus 4:20; Psalm 78:38
Māḥāh To blot out, erase Complete erasure of sin Psalm 51:1; Isaiah 43:25
ʿĀvar To pass over, overlook Mercy and forbearance Micah 7:18; Exodus 12:13

Theological Implications
Forgiveness in the Hebrew Bible often involves both divine grace and the requirement of atonement, particularly through sacrifices, which foreshadow Christ’s ultimate atonement (cf. Hebrews 9:22).

The various terms highlight the completeness of God’s forgiveness, covering all aspects of sin: its guilt, burden, need for atonement, and complete removal.

Each word points to a unique aspect of God’s character-His mercy (sālaḥ), His justice (kāpar), and His cleansing power (māḥāh).

These words together illustrate the rich and multifaceted nature of forgiveness in the Hebrew Bible, ultimately pointing to God’s redemptive plan fulfilled in Christ.

I would suggest you arm yourself with a Englishman's Concordance brother, we are in need of forgiveness AND sanctification.

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Why Did Jesus Have to Die?​

Because men couldn't stand his holiness.
Man naturally shrinks from the holiness of God. It is a consuming fire. It exposes our failures so we invent our own meanings to the word 'holy'. This satisfies the carnal nature......and so the 'religious' mindset is furthered.

When Jesus returns with all his angels, those eagerly waiting for him will proclaim, 'lo, this is our God, we have waited for him'.
Those not waiting for him will shrink in terror and would rather die than face him. Revelation 6:14-17
 
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Why Did Jesus Have to Die?​

Could we also substitute the word 'have' for 'need'.....it's no doubt the same idea.

I don't think Jesus needed to die except for us to see the lengths that God would submit himself to convince us of his affection for us.
He would allow us to kill him rather than hurt us.
It was definitely not because God required it to forgive us. God is greater than the pitiful mindset of man who seeks revenge.

Love and revenge are incompatible. This has got to be as obvious as a train smash for any thinking person.

The text 'without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness' which is copiously quoted as if it is an absolute, is a statement which belongs to the symbolism that the slain lamb symbolised. It is not a statement that reflects the need or desire of God.

Men have missed the meaning of the symbolism and made the symbol the reality.
.....and what is the symbol? It is that the innocent God would come as a 'lamb' (get the symbol) and we would slaughter him.

It was an attempt to awaken our dull and unresponsive senses to the horror of what we as people would do to the innocent.
 
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Jesus Christ came into the world, a world He had co-created with His Father. But, the world did not recognize Him. Instead, He was deemed to be worthy of death. Why did Jesus allow Himself to be treated in this way?

To Atone for Sin
Reason: Sin separates humanity from God, and divine justice requires that sin be addressed through a substitutionary sacrifice. Jesus’ death fulfilled the sacrificial system’s ultimate purpose, as His blood provided complete atonement.

Key Scriptures:
Isaiah 53:5-6 (LXX): "He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his stripes, we are healed."

Hebrews 9:22: "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission."

Romans 3:25: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood."

2. To Fulfill the Law and Prophecies
Reason: Jesus’ death satisfied the demands of the Mosaic Law, which foreshadowed His ultimate sacrifice. It also fulfilled numerous Old Testament prophecies concerning the Messiah’s suffering and death.

Key Scriptures:
Matthew 5:17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

Psalm 22:16-18: "They pierced my hands and my feet... They part my garments among them."

Daniel 9:26 (LXX): "Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself."

3. To Bear the Curse of Sin
Reason: Humanity, under the curse of sin and the law, needed redemption. Jesus became a curse for us to free us from this bondage.

Key Scriptures:

Galatians 3:13: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us."

2 Corinthians 5:21: "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

4. To Reconcile Humanity to God

Reason: Sin created enmity between God and humanity. Jesus’ death served as the means of reconciliation, restoring peace between a holy God and sinful people.

Key Scriptures:
Romans 5:10: "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."

Colossians 1:20: "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself."

5. To Demonstrate God’s Love and Justice
Reason: The cross reveals both the depth of God’s love for humanity and His perfect justice. God’s love is demonstrated in Christ dying for sinners, and His justice is satisfied through the payment for sin.

Key Scriptures:
John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son."

Romans 5:8: "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Romans 3:26: "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

6. To Defeat Satan, Sin, and Death
Reason: Jesus’ death was the decisive victory over the powers of darkness, rendering Satan powerless and defeating sin and death.

Key Scriptures:

Hebrews 2:14: "That through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil."

1 Corinthians 15:55-57: "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?... But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Colossians 2:15: "Having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

7. To Establish a New Covenant
Reason: Jesus’ death inaugurated the New Covenant, replacing the Old Covenant with a better, eternal covenant based on His sacrifice.

Key Scriptures:

Luke 22:20: "This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

Hebrews 9:15: "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament."

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (LXX): "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant."

8. To Provide Eternal Life
Reason: Through His death and resurrection, Jesus opened the way for believers to receive eternal life.
Key Scriptures:

John 10:10: "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

John 11:25: "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live."

1 John 5:11-12: "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."
Conclusion
Jesus’ death was not arbitrary but the central act in God’s redemptive plan. It satisfied divine justice, fulfilled the Law, conquered sin and death, and reconciled humanity to God, revealing His love, mercy, and justice.

J.
 

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Jesus Christ came into the world, a world He had co-created with His Father. But, the world did not recognize Him. Instead, He was deemed to be worthy of death. Why did Jesus allow Himself to be treated in this way?

Thanks for sharing Brother, We will be in prayer and get back with you, love always, Walter And Debbie
 

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Why Did Jesus Have to Die?​

Because men couldn't stand his holiness.
Are you Freaking kidding me?

WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO DIE?

Because the wages of Sin is death you idiots.... If Jesus did not die... then you would remain in the Grave for ever!

Are you guys even Christian?

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask... How is Jesus the last ADAM.... idiots!!!

What does it mean to be Born again... LOL

How do you not know these things?
 

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Remember the Scapegoat in scripture?

Jesus was a portrayal of that in taking the sins of the world upon himself. And then being hanged,crucified, from/on a tree,the cross.

"Cursed is anyone hanged from a tree".

He had to die and shed His blood because the new covenant is a blood covenant.
 

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Are you Freaking kidding me?

WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO DIE?

Because the wages of Sin is death you idiots.... If Jesus did not die... then you would remain in the Grave for ever!

Are you guys even Christian?

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask... How is Jesus the last ADAM.... idiots!!!

What does it mean to be Born again... LOL

How do you not know these things?
G'day Pierac,
Would you consider that God doesn't need death to satisfy anything. Death is as foreign to God as light is from darkness. Why on earth would God want death?
God is far far above the pitiful rational of fallen man who glorify death as 'sacred'; as if God requires payment.
 
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Are you Freaking kidding me?

WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO DIE?

Because the wages of Sin is death you idiots.... If Jesus did not die... then you would remain in the Grave for ever!

Are you guys even Christian?

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask... How is Jesus the last ADAM.... idiots!!!

What does it mean to be Born again... LOL

How do you not know these things?
With the way you talk one could ask you your own question.
 

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Justin Peters: Heavenly tourism

Justin Peters... is a false teacher and should be ignored.

He's heavily influenced by the calvinist cult and actually claims God is going around doing bad things to Christians like putting cancer on them, causing car wrecks, causing divorce, etc, etc! clueless-doh.gif

John 10:10 (Jesus said this!)
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The "thief" being spoke of here is the devil... NOT the Lord!




That's not accurate. Without shedding of blood there is no sanctification. Modern bibles translate the word the Greek aphesis incorrectly. Jesus came to set us free from sin...not forgive us for continuing sin.

It's true we cannot continue in sin and still be saved... but Hebrews 9:22 tells us without the shedding of blood, there is no remission (afesis - G0859) of sin

afesis -- pronounced: af'-es-is
from 863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: KJV -- deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
See Greek No. 863 <G0863>

afiemi -- pronounced: af-ee'-ay-mee
from 575 and hiemi (to send; an intensive form of eimi, to go); to send forth, in various applications (as follow): KJV -- cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.



Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance (aphesis) to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty (aphesis) them that are bruised,

Without the shedding of Jesus' Blood... there would be no liberty or deliverance.



"Forgiveness" is relationship concept. It basically means the offense will not break the relationship and the removal of the debt

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

We we first get born again... all of our PAST sins are washed away and forgiven and we are new creatures in Christ with a brand new beginning.

But, going forward, if we sin we reap corruption (see Galatians 6:7 - 6:8) which separates us from God because sin corrupts

This is why God's Word says....

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

To say our future sins are already forgiven and there's no need to confess and forsake out sin if we were to sin.... is to say we do not reap what we sow which is mocking God:

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
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Justin Peters... is a false teacher and should be ignored.

He's heavily influenced by the calvinist cult and actually claims God is going around doing bad things to Christians like putting cancer on them, causing car wrecks, causing divorce, etc, etc!
This is a lie from the pit of Hell and we know who the father of lies is-but then, character assassination is normative on this Forum.

J.
 

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Heb. 13:12
Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate.
Amen. And that is because He shed His blood - the life (spirit) is in the blood - that we might receive a share in His Life (eternal/spirit) and that is what sanctifies the child of God - His Spirit is life - God's presence by His Spirit is what sanctifies our temple....this is why even the ground is holy/sanctified where God is. But this does not nullify that He also died to make atonement for our sins.

Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
 
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If you tell a lie often enough...as if it's an official truth...people WILL buy it...especially if it caters to the flesh.

For example the word "bad" used to mean "not good". But "figuratively" it can mean good in the modern world. And this finds its way into dictionaries because meanings follow society.

There is no forgiveness implied in the word "aphesis". Likewise the Hebrew "Deror" only means freedom. Aphesis is used for Deror across testaments (but that takes too much effort to check). People believe a lie far quicker than the truth. Hence the modern church condition.
Forgiveness means to be freed/loosed from the debt of sin, the curse of it, as well as being freed from sin's dominion.
 
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He's heavily influenced by the calvinist cult and actually claims God is going around doing bad things to Christians like putting cancer on them, causing car wrecks, causing divorce, etc, etc!
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John 10:10 (Jesus said this!)
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The "thief" being spoke of here is the devil... NOT the Lord!
Yes, but we must recognize and bow to the sovereignty of God in all things....He is the one who created the Destroyer to work havoc....and in Isaiah it says the Lord creates both good and evil. That is the reason we can pray to the Lord for help in time of trouble/tribulation. He is above and over all things and has power over all things.
 
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There are several reasons given in the scriptures for why Christ had to die.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

His death was substitutionary.

As long as He was alive, the Holy Spirit which dwelled in Him fully could not be given.

His was the only life that had ever fulfilled the law completely. In being nailed to the cross, the hand writing of ordinances that were against us, was also nailed to the cross.

That's just a few off the top of my head.

The reasons for his death seem pretty clear to me.

It was necessary to fulfill the old covenant, for the new covenant to come in, the covenant of His blood.

If there's anything about His atonement that troubles me, it would be His suffering. The suffering seems a bit excessive.

I'm more interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on why He had to suffer.
Totally agree. The reason He suffered was because of the hatred of satan and men. But Calvary wasn't essential for our redemption. Without Calvary, Jesus could have walked up to the temple on the day of Passover, climbed onto the altar and died... fallen asleep... given up His life. And He would have fulfilled all the law just as much as history records the actual events. The suffering, the abuse, the humiliation, the accusations of defiling the Sabbath, of being possessed of a devil, was basically all Satan, and him using those he could control and influence. He did so in attempt to cause Jesus to sin... give up... use a miracle in revenge or spite... show His glory to defend Himself... in other words, fail His mission.

I think it would be good to bear in mind that throughout history, Satan has continued to use that same tactic against Christ's Church, and as his time becomes shorter, he will intensify those attacks. As scripture says, he will make war with the saints. And who will be use to do his bidding? The church.
 
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Why did He have to die? Because the Father laid on His Son the sins of the whole world, and the wages of sin is death.
The Father did no such thing. WE esteemed Him to be full of sin...not the Father. And the Principalities and Powers saw to His death. As such WE laid our sinful ways onto Christ. And many continue to do that very thing.

Jesus became sin for (by) us, not for (by) God.
 
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The Father did no such thing. WE esteemed Him to be full of sin...not the Father. And the Principalities and Powers saw to His death. As such WE laid our sinful ways onto Christ. And many continue to do that very thing.

Jesus became sin for (by) us, not for (by) God.
The Father didn't crucify His Son but yet it was He who GAVE His Son, foreknowing what men would do to Him and why......and also scripture says it pleased God to bruise His Son. The Lord is very much sovereignly ruling and reigning. Jesus said concerning His crucifixion that it was for this PURPOSE He came into the world. And in Gethsemane He said to the Father, not my will but thine be done.

Wasn't it God who PROVIDED the ram for Abraham and Isaac?