Why Christians Disagree

[Helen]

I have a question about hell.

Is hell

A: Destruction
B: Eternal suffering
C: Deepest Darkness
D: A. B. C.

C : is the closest... Separation from God...who Is Love.

The lake is fire was created for the Devil and his fallen angels...not for mankind.

This thread is about disagreement among christians...and on hell, and the salvation of all mankind...I do not agree with most of the friends on this Site.
I believe that what Jesus did at redemption , was for ALL man.
I believe all will be saved...and " every man in his own order".
By scripture ( the Tabernacle Pattern) in the kingdom all men will not be equal. We have all Israel , we the priest who served in the outer court at the altar offering the blood of lambs. We have the holy Place, and those who served with the shew bread, and candle stick.. We have the Holy Of Holies...where only Arran went , with blood one a year, and Moses went to talk face to face with God before the Mercy seat.

Others can believe what they like... I believe all will be saved..
Acts 3:21 “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”

Every man will be in heaven just where he has 'chosen to be' with God, here on earth. We chose every day.....
We can be as close or as far away as 'we' each chose to be.

My two cents... H

 

[Waiting on him]

Time to ask @Vince to prove God doesnt exist. ...so what is your proof there is no God?

@Vince lives in a deluded state that I like to refer to as fantasy island, where he is Lord and everything is as it should be according to his dilution.

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Vince lives in a deluded state that I like to refer to as fantasy island, where he is Lord and everything is as it should be according to his dilution.

Well ok...but my point is it is impossible to prove that God does not exist.

 

[Helen]

Seems to me that only James White would recommend James White.....everyone else knows he declares victory in every debate and fixes his debate script to reflect this, right James?

Who is James White? Did I miss something?

 

[Waiting on him]

Well ok...but my point is it is impossible to prove that God does not exist.

God doesn’t exist on fantasy island. He exists in reality.

 

[Heart2Soul]

God doesn’t exist on fantasy island. He exists in reality.

Ahhhh can you prove He doesnt exist on fantasy island...lol.
Atheists are always wanting Christians to show proof of God's existence....and I challenge them right back....prove He doesnt exist.

 

[Waiting on him]

I can only prove that the dilution exists.i was once a resident.

 

[brakelite]

"Live"... they can't.

"Exist"...they can.

LOL, now if there was ever a twist on words and meanings, that is a doozy. I have found it hard enough to get Christians to see that life in torment cannot equate in any way to Romans 6:23, for the simple fact that God's word says the wages of sin is death, I mean, who would have thought that modern theology allows for "life" and "death" to mean the same thing right? ...but you have really raised the bar. Now I have to convince Christians that death and existence aren't synonymous! Wow. Where to start.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I can only prove that the dilution exists.

I can prove that every form of life came from an existing form of life.

 

[Waiting on him]

@Vince needs God to rattle his foundation. This is my prayer!

 

[Heart2Soul]

I can only prove that the dilution exists.i was once a resident.

Lol

 

[Waiting on him]

I can prove that every form of life came from an existing form of life.

Maybe he’s rattled your foundation?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Maybe he’s rattled your foundation?

Not a chance! I am firmly planted in Him!

 

[brakelite]

@Taken I mean, look at it this way. A couple of guys on this thread struggle with believing in the existence of God, because of their lack of clear understanding of what we Christians readily see as evidence...and I get that. I've been there. So they struggle to believe God exists...we don't. We know He exists...does that mean we think He is also dead?

 

[Harvest 1874]

So says one who belongs to a branch of the jehovah's witnesses.

First of all as I have attempted to explain on numerous occasions I am not a JW, I'm a Bible Student, (there's a difference to those who know), and no Bible Students are not a branch of the JW's. The Bible Students existed nearly 57 years before the first JW.

Note the diagram below:

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The original Bible Students (of which I considered myself) are depicted by the gray line. The green line represents the first schism in the movement in 1909 when the Australian branch of the movement led by the teachings of Paul S. L. Johnson (over the issue of the New Covenant) broke away and formed the Free Bible Students.

Those who stuck with the Pastor’s views continued on until the second schism took place, this shortly after his death in 1916, it was led by a former board member Judge Rutherford. At this point the majority of bible students seeing that the movement was being high jacked by Rutherford and that the Pastor’s teachings were being thrown out (replaced with Rutherford's) they began their exodus and formed new groups viz. the Laymen’s Home Missionary (violet) and the Associated Bible Students (blue).

Were I myself alive at the time I would have went with the Associated Bible Students as they retained the majority of the Pastor’s teachings, in fact today that is what many Bible Students refer to themselves as.

Now many bible students following the Pastor’s death were reluctant to leave the movement (depicted by the gray line which diverges from the blue and the violet), these had the hope that even under the new leadership the movement could be salvaged, but alas it became apparent that the movement was completely moving in a new direction and so another, a third schism took place between 1928-31 when many of these bible students came to their senses and finally realized that the new leadership under Judge Rutherford was departing from all that the Pastor taught and taking the movement in a different direction represented by the red line and the founding of the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.

Many of these eventually left and joined the Free Bibles Students while others the Associated Bible Students. Those that remain were indoctrinated into the new society, the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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[Harvest 1874]

I have a question about hell.

Is hell

A: Destruction
B: Eternal suffering
C: Deepest Darkness
D: A. B. C.

(A) destruction, but at present NOT everlasting, but rather declared a sleep upon which one will be awaken in due time due to the ransom sacrifice of Christ.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Here is a video for the OP to listen to when you have time:

 

[CoreIssue]

I am not sure this is even true but Attributing that as god is a fallacy.

Per science nothing should exist and nothing is internal.

In desperation some atheist as cross the line into the supernatural with their claims. They have realized sciences failed to explain many things and by its laws can never explained them.

Anyway you look at it the ultimate beginning was supernatural.

 

[CoreIssue]

(A) destruction, but at present NOT everlasting, but rather declared a sleep upon which one will be awaken in due time due to the ransom sacrifice of Christ.

That is Jehovah Witnesses theology. The correct answer is B: Eternal suffering

Soul sleep is false doctrine.

 

[Dan57]

Agree....so to debate spiritual knowledge against the physical knowledge is useless.

That's true, but I believe the physical creation lends credibility to a spiritual dimension. We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it. But of course, God is Spirit, and since He exist in a separate spiritual dimension, we can't measure, prove, or even comprehend how our physical universe came about. We just need to believe that every complex thing that we see on earth could not possibly be logically discerned as accidental (Romans 1:20).

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (1 Corinthians 2 7-13)