Who is this God that calls Himself US and OUR?
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Understood quite clearly, you don't know Who US and OUR is in Genesis.
Hint: Father and Son, Jesus! Just like you quoted in Col 1. Jesus is God the Creator!
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No, Hebrews 1:8 does not say Jesus is God- in the original anyway.
Both from the immediate context and with the presence of translation problems, there are reasons why this verse is not calling Jesus “God” nor should it be translated, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.”
1. First, evidence that the psalm is speaking of a human king is in Psalm 45:7, which says, “You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation above your peers.” That the text calls God, “your God,” i.e., the king’s God, shows that the king is inferior to God. “God” does not have a God. It would make no sense to be calling the king “God” here, as the clear biblical teaching is that there is one God (1 Cor. 8:6; John 5:44; 17:3), so if Jesus is the one true God, how could he have a God?
2. The context of both Hebrews 1 and Psalm 45 makes it clear that this king being referred to is not the supreme God because this king has been blessed by God (Psa. 45:2), has a wife (Psa. 45:9), and simply put, he is a human king (Psa. 45:1, 5, 13, 15), not the supreme God. We also know this passage in Psalm 45 is not originally about Jesus because the king has a wife. The queen is said to be a woman of foreign descent, possibly from Tyre (Ps. 45:12) who was told to forget her own people and father’s house (Ps. 45:10), and she and her husband have an ivory house (Ps. 45:8). Those facts have led some commentators to suggest that this psalm is referring to the marriage of the Phoenician princess Jezebel to King Ahab, who had an ivory palace (1 Kings 22:39). But that is untenable since Ahab does not fit the characteristics of a godly king that are so prominent in the psalm. Solomon, who also married foreign women and lived in luxury, is a much more likely candidate.
Thus, the original quote in Psalm 45:6 is not actually referring to Jesus, but originally refers to an Old Testament king, but also finds later application in Jesus. If the verse is calling the king “God,” then that would make both Solomon and Jesus God, which is untenable, and there is no internal reason to apply Psalm 45:6 to the Messiah without verse 7 applying to the same king. That would be eisegesis, reading into the verse to make it fit one’s theology. If the psalm is calling the Messiah “God,” then the Davidic king is also God. So, if a Trinitarian is using this verse to prove Jesus is God, it actually would prove too much and make Solomon God too.
Uh, yeah it does.
Hebrews 1:6-9
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
7 And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
There is tension between Heb. 1:8 and Heb. 1:9 that needs to be resolved. Explaining how the Son can both BE God (v. 8) and HAVE a God (v.9) is worthy of discussion.
Why can't the Father be the Son's God??? Because you say so? God sent Himself in the flesh, so??? Nobody seems to want to answer who US and OUR are in Gen 1.
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I'm a Trinitarian, Jack. I'm simply suggesting discussion here to understand and resolve the Scriptural tension -- which I guess you don't see.
Because there is only One God.
As a mode of Himself? As an image of Himself? As a subordinate to Himself? There is a lot to unpack here. And I fear we will stray into a banned topic at that point.
I also believe it cannot be proven through Scripture. (If it could, it wouldn't be the "Mystery" that the Catholic Church claims it to be, CCC 234, CCC 237.) I enjoy the debates over Scriptural support on this and other forums, but the debate on this forum is now banned. You can message me if you want to discuss this privately.
Now, its just that people won't want to see that there is much more evidence against. As scripture gets translated, support "for" is inserted.
I've read MANY English Bible translations and the all demand the Jesus is God the Creator! Even the JW bible!
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