Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[BreadOfLife]

One thing you have in common with protestants, when you are proved wrong by scripture you ignore it. You say the bible states we must be baptised with water in order to have sins forgiven and receive the Holy Spirit, but again, that was not the case with cornelius and his household was it:

As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” Acts11:15-17

Which shows your wooden literalistic interpretation of a few choice scriptures is obviously the wrong way to read the bible isn't it. Here's a hint, don't put God in a box, he can do what he chooses and when he chooses.
In all Paul's letters, or any of the apostles letters, when did they once say you must be baptised in water before you can receive the Spirit? You can quote Acts2:38, but then, your first pope had to change his mind when he went to visit cornelius didn't he.

Once AGAIN - you haven't "proven" anything. And YOU have repeatedly failed to address the questions I asked.
These should be EASY for you if you are THAT sure pof your position. Apparebntly, you're NOT . . .

As for Acts11:15-17 - John Baptized ONLY with water, Einstein. He wasn't imparting the Holy Spirit.
Thsy vsn ONLY happen in Christ.
The Baptism of Christ is with Water and the Spirit (John 3:5).

Your understanding of Scripture is pathetic - but that's what happens when you invent your own little "doctrines" . . .

 

[stephen64]

Once AGAIN - you haven't "proven" anything. And YOU have repeatedly failed to address the questions I asked.
These should be EASY for you if you are THAT sure pof your position. Apparebntly, you're NOT . . .

As for Acts11:15-17 - John Baptized ONLY with water, Einstein. He wasn't imparting the Holy Spirit.
Thsy vsn ONLY happen in Christ.
The Baptism of Christ is with Water and the Spirit (John 3:5).

Your understanding of Scripture is pathetic - but that's what happens when you invent your own little "doctrines" . . .

From your words it is understandable you lack knowledge of the message you were given. Just stick with your rite, ritual and ceremony, to go beyond it would probably be too much for you

 

[BreadOfLife]

Since you wrote, "Once again - you repod eith Lie after Lie." I assume that you're drunk or stoned. Which is it?

Funny how you can't seem you answer any of my questions - or give a solid Scriptural argument for your positions.

All you can do is to point out typos - which, as I have repeatedly shown - YOU are also guilty of, Einstein.
Good job . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have no inclination at all to respond to the above, as it is obvious to me you have no understanding of the core message of the person commissioned to be the chief exponent of the new covenant to the world.

Let's face it - you have no ABILITY to respond to any argument I've made, as you've shown time and time again.
You're simply NOT equipped to debate Scriptural matters . . .

 

[stephen64]

Let's face it - you have no ABILITY to respond to any argument I've made, as you've shown time and time again.
You're simply NOT equipped to debate Scriptural matters . . .

That does make me smile

 

[BreadOfLife]

From your words it is understandable you lack knowledge of the message you were given. Just stick with your rite, ritual and ceremony, to go beyond it would probably be too much for you

ANOTHER failure to answer my questions.
That's what I get for trying to have an intellligent conversation with a member of a fringe sext . . .

 

[stephen64]

ANOTHER failure to answer my questions.
That's what I get for trying to have an intellligent conversation with a member of a fringe sext . . .

You want an intelligent conversation about something deeper in the faith, OK.
Why did Paul say sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law if we live under it Rom7:5
Just pass!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You want an intelligent conversation about something deeper in the faith, OK.
Why did Paul say sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law if we live under it Rom7:5
Just pass!

I will be HAPPY to answer that question - once YOU answer the MANY questions I asked of you, which you evaded.

That's how an intelligent debate works, son.

 

[stephen64]

I will be HAPPY to answer that question - once YOU answer the MANY questions I asked of you, which you evaded.

That's how an intelligent debate works, son.

You cannot answer that question, who are you kidding.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You cannot answer that question, who are you kidding.

I'll answer it when YOU answer MY questions that you've been running from for TWO days now.

 

[stephen64]

I'll answer it when YOU answer MY questions that you've been running from for TWO days now.

It isnt possible to have a stimulating discussion with you im afraid. I quote rom 3:20 to you, and you respond saying we cannot ignore God's laws. That says so much Im afraid

 

[BreadOfLife]

What is the name of the son that Jesus said for them "to baptize in the name of", per Matt 28:19?

A...Jesus.

B...George.

C...son.

Pick one.

Matt. 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

a) What's the Father's name??
b) What's the Holy Spirit's name??

I already educated you on this matter back inpost #964.
Here it is AGAIN . . .

The Greek word used for "Name" in Matt. 28:19 is ονομα (on'-om-ah).
Here is the DEFINITON of that word:
1) name: univ. of proper names 2) the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.

It's important to rememer ONE thing, son:
Greek is NOT English, so you've LOST this argument . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

It isnt possible to have a stimulating discussion with you im afraid.

That's what I've been saying ALL along.
As long as you evade and ignore the MANY questions I've asked of you - we can't have an intelligent conversation

Checkmate . . .

 

[stephen64]

That's what I've been saying ALL along.
As long as you evade and ignore the MANY questions I've asked of you - we can't have an intelligent conversation

Checkmate . . .

Let me give you some advice, go to a different church, for when you learn more, you will not have to write as you do. You see, empty vessels make the most noise

 

[Jim B]

Once AGAIN - you haven't "proven" anything. And YOU have repeatedly failed to address the questions I asked.
These should be EASY for you if you are THAT sure pof your position. Apparebntly, you're NOT . . .

As for Acts11:15-17 - John Baptized ONLY with water, Einstein. He wasn't imparting the Holy Spirit.
Thsy vsn ONLY happen in Christ.
The Baptism of Christ is with Water and the Spirit (John 3:5).

Your understanding of Scripture is pathetic - but that's what happens when you invent your own little "doctrines" . . .

Your understanding of Scripture is wrong, but that's what happens when you invent your own doctrines based on flawed interpretation. Taking Scripture out of context, as you have done with John 3:5, simply amplifies your misunderstanding.

John 3:1-11, "Now a certain man, a Pharisee named Nicodemus, who was a member of the Jewish ruling council, came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb and be born a second time, can he?”

Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must all be born from above.’ The wind blows wherever it will, and you hear the sound it makes, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Nicodemus replied, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you don’t understand these things? I tell you the solemn truth, we speak about what we know and testify about what we have seen, but you people do not accept our testimony."

To think that this refers to water baptism is absurd! There are two types of birth, as Jesus clearly explains. One is natural birth (by "water", a.k.a. amniotic fluid, and the other is by the Holy Spirit. Born of the flesh, by "water", has nothing to do with being baptized. That is a classic example of eisegesis (the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas).

In your own (childish) words, "Your understanding of Scripture is pathetic - but that's what happens when you invent your own little "doctrines". Grow up!

 

[EloyCraft]

This is total nonsense!

C'mon Jim, if you're going to say something like that you should at least throw out a reason or two for it.

 

[Jim B]

Let's face it - you have no ABILITY to respond to any argument I've made, as you've shown time and time again.
You're simply NOT equipped to debate Scriptural matters . . .

Let's face it - you have no ABILITY to respond to any rational argument, as you've shown time and time again.
You're simply NOT equipped to debate Scriptural matters . . .

 

[Jim B]

You cannot answer that question, who are you kidding.

True!! All BreadofLife can do is accuse others who disagree with his flawed interpretation of Scripture. Have you noticed that he is incapable of having a rational discussion? Instead he resorts to one ad hominem attack after another. He is clearly a "born again" Pharisee.

 

[Jim B]

C'mon Jim, if you're going to say something like that you should at least throw out a reason or two for it.

Are you incapable of following the conversation? I am not going to bother explaining things to you.

 

[stephen64]

True!! All BreadofLife can do is accuse others who disagree with his flawed interpretation of Scripture. Have you noticed that he is incapable of having a rational discussion? Instead he resorts to one ad hominem attack after another. He is clearly a "born again" Pharisee.

I've given up chatting to him, his comments are getting wilder and wilder all the time