Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[Illuminator]

Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. John7:38&39

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean/or rivers of living water you could say; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Ezekiel36:26&27

Its all about the Holy Spirit and what he will do under the new covenant. If catholics concentrated as much on the Holy Spirit as they do water baptism, rite, ritual and ceremony there eyes would be wide open!

We don't separate water from Spirit in Baptism, and neither does the Bible, and neither does Jesus. You do.

 

[Illuminator]

Why not ask John the Baptist to pray for you?
Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Matt11:11

We ask all the angels and saints in heaven to pray for us at every Mass!

Prayer to Saint John the Baptist

Oh God, you gave St. Elizabeth, in her old age, the gift of a son, St. John the Baptist, who would prepare the way for Jesus to begin His ministry here on earth.

Lord, Fill Your people with the joy of possessing graces like those of Saint John the Baptist, and direct the minds of all us in the way of salvation and peace. St. John was martyred for truth and justice, so may we Dear God, energetically profess our Faith in You, and help us to lead others to Your Way, Your Truth, and Your Eternal Life. Amen.

Eph. 3:14-15- we are all one family (“Catholic”) in heaven and on earth, united together, as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a different family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles Creed, we profess a belief in the “communion of saints.” There cannot be a “communion” if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or in heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayers for one another.

Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23-32; Col. 1:18,24 – this family is in Jesus Christ, the head of the body, which is the Church.

1 Cor. 12:12,27; Rom. 12:5; Col. 3:15; Eph. 4:4 – we are the members of the one body of Christ, supernaturally linked together by our partaking of the Eucharist.

Rom. 8:35-39 – therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.

Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 – Jesus converses with “deceased” Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.

Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 – God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.

Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.

 

[stephen64]

We don't separate water from Spirit in Baptism, and neither does the Bible, and neither does Jesus. You do.

We don't separate water from Spirit in Baptism, and neither does the Bible, and neither does Jesus. You do.

In the text I quoted to you, bearing in mind other texts concerning the same thing, the quote from Ezekiel referred to the Holy Spirit, and not water baptism

 

[stephen64]

We ask all the angels and saints in heaven to pray for us at every Mass!

Eph. 3:14-15- we are all one family (“Catholic”) in heaven and on earth, united together, as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a different family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles Creed, we profess a belief in the “communion of saints.” There cannot be a “communion” if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or in heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayers for one another.

Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23-32; Col. 1:18,24 – this family is in Jesus Christ, the head of the body, which is the Church.

1 Cor. 12:12,27; Rom. 12:5; Col. 3:15; Eph. 4:4 – we are the members of the one body of Christ, supernaturally linked together by our partaking of the Eucharist.

Rom. 8:35-39 – therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.

Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 – Jesus converses with “deceased” Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.

Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 – God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.

Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.

Well I can assure you, if it were written in the bible that I should pray to those already departed I would

 

[Jim B]

We ask all the angels and saints in heaven to pray for us at every Mass!

Eph. 3:14-15- we are all one family (“Catholic”) in heaven and on earth, united together, as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a different family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles Creed, we profess a belief in the “communion of saints.” There cannot be a “communion” if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or in heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayers for one another.

Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23-32; Col. 1:18,24 – this family is in Jesus Christ, the head of the body, which is the Church.

1 Cor. 12:12,27; Rom. 12:5; Col. 3:15; Eph. 4:4 – we are the members of the one body of Christ, supernaturally linked together by our partaking of the Eucharist.

Rom. 8:35-39 – therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.

Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 – Jesus converses with “deceased” Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.

Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 – God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.

Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.

You ask all the angels and saints in heaven to pray for us at every Mass??? Are you really that deceived? Pray to God!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

It truly saddens me that you are trapped in unbelief. You come up with one irrational statement after another.
When you understand the truth in Christ instead of your false religion, let us know. Otherwise, just keep babbling and nobody will pay attention.

I will respond to only one of your sentences. You wrote "Ummmmm, can you show me where "God clearly says in the Bible" that your sins are automatically forgiven without having to repent?
I didn't think so . . ."

Really??? Are you that ignorant???
About him [Jesus] all the prophets testify, that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Acts 10:43

"Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you" Acts 13:38

"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our offenses, according to the riches of his grace" Ephesians 1:7

"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." Colossians 1:14

"And even though you were dead in your transgressions and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he nevertheless made you alive with him, having forgiven all your transgressions." Colossians 2:13

"I am writing to you, little children, that your sins have been forgiven because of his name." 1 John 2:12

Why don't you take a break from your blind hostility and READ YOUR BIBLE!!!!!

1 John 2:12
Colossians 2:13
Ephesians 1:7
Ephesians 1:7
Acts 10:43
EVERY ONE of the verses above talk about the forgiveness of our sins PROIR to coming to Christ.
NOWHERE does the Bible dsay that ALL of our FUTURE sins are "aoutomatically" forgiven wuthout repenting of them.

The Epistle of James is written to converted, born again CHRSTIANS.
Here's what the Holy Spirit says through the pen of James:
James 5:13-16
Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith WILL SAVE the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he WILL BE forgiven. 16 Therefore, CONFESS YOUR SINS to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Gee - and YOU claim that all of our sins are "automatically" forgiven.
What an anti-Biblical crock . . .

Finally - you only easponded to ONE of my statements for TWO reasons:
1. Because you THOUGHT you were correct - but I just proved otherwise.
2. In the depths of your ignorance - you were totally unequipped and clueless.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus called Peter Satan! Matthew 16:21-23, " From that time on Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. So Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him: “God forbid, Lord! This must not happen to you!” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but on man’s.”

That was before Peter denied Jesus three times!

And in Galatia, Peter behaved like such a hypocrite that Paul was prompted to call him out in front of everyone.

Galatians 2:13-14, "And the rest of the Jews also joined with him [Peter, a.k.a Cephas] in this hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was led astray with them by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not behaving consistently with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “If you, although you are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you try to force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

Ummmm - if Jesus thought so little of Peter, then tell me -
- WHY did he build His Church upon Peter and give him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19)??
- WHY did he pray for Peter ALONE to streghnthen the others and bring them back to faith after the crucifixion?
- WHY did He ask Peter ALONE to "Feed my lambs" and "Tend my sheep" (John 21:15-19) ??
- WHY was Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7)
- WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40)??
- WHY did Peter work the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12)??
- WHY was Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36)??

Will you give me a dound BIBLICAL refutation of these things - or should I just expect MORE of your cowardly slince and your usual hit-and-run remarks?
MY money is on the latter, my ignorant and ill-equipped friend . . .

So the Catholic denomination is founded by a man who called Jesus "Satan",

denied knowing Him three times in His final hours, then acted like a hypocrite afterwards. That explains why Catholic doctrine is founded on lies and hypocrisy!

Poor exegesis and faulty logic, Einstein . . .

Another LIE . . .

First of all - the Catholic church wasn't founded by Peter - it was founded by Christ (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 16:15-18), who appointed Peter its first earthly leader (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:31-32, John 21:15-19).

Sedondly - Peter NEVER called Jests "Satan".
Are you EVER going to post anything without lying??

 

[BreadOfLife]

You ask all the angels and saints in heaven to pray for us at every Mass??? Are you really that deceived? Pray to God!!!

Are YOU really that dense??
He said we ask them to pray FOR us - just as YOU might ask a friend or family member to pray for YOU.

Apparently - YOU reject Scripture . . .
James 5:13-16
Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith WILL SAVE the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another and PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

 

[Illuminator]

In the text I quoted to you, bearing in mind other texts concerning the same thing, the quote from Ezekiel referred to the Holy Spirit, and not water baptism

The text from Ezekiel clearly states: "I will sprinkle clean water on you" that you deny. It's a precursor to water baptism. You demand "proof text" when it is right in front of you. Your anti-water baptism is not biblical. It's 18th century nonsense.

 

[stephen64]

Are YOU really that dense??

I hope you are not someone who believes in a licence to sin as well, I've already come accross one catholic on this website who appears to be that way. Your above words go against Christ's teachings don't they. Are you going to confess your sin, or simply ignore it? Its soooo easy isn't it just to reel off your churches doctrine. You better hope all your sins have already been forgiven

 

[stephen64]

The text from Ezekiel clearly states: "I will sprinkle clean water on you" that you deny. It's a precursor to water baptism. You demand "proof text" when it is right in front of you. Your anti-water baptism is not biblical. It's 18th century nonsense.

Take care, bye

 

[BreadOfLife]

In the text I quoted to you, bearing in mind other texts concerning the same thing, the quote from Ezekiel referred to the Holy Spirit, and not water baptism

Says the person who doesn't have a CLUE about prophecy, type or fulfillment . . .

Johm 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of WATER and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

 

[stephen64]

Says the person who doesn't have a CLUE about prophecy, type or fulfillment . . .

Johm 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of WATER and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Every human is born of water. But the post you responded to was accurate, sorry if it offended you

 

[BreadOfLife]

I hope you are not someone who believes in a licence to sin as well, I've already come accross one catholic on this website who appears to be that way. Your above words go against Christ's teachings don't they. Are you going to confess your sin, or simply ignore it? Its soooo easy isn't it just to reel off your churches doctrine. You better hope all your sins have already been forgiven

I "sinned" because I rebuked a person for falsely representing the Gospel by stating that we are NOT to pray for one another - even though Scripture commands us to (James 5:16)??

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[stephen64]

I "sinned" because I rebuked a person for falsely representing the Gospel by stating that we are NOT to pray for one another - even though Scripture commands us to (James 5:16)??

STUDY your Bible . . .

Its always the same. People who stress obeying the ten commandments just justify any wrongdoing. Seen it over decades. No wonder people keep stressing you must obey the ten commandments when they set the bar so low concerning obedience. I never had the luxury you do
You better hope all your sins have been forgiven, that's the practical reality where entering heaven is concerned

 

[stephen64]

I think many don't understand the pristene level the law is set at. Is it sin not to obey Jesus commands? If it is, think on
You may begin to grasp why some of us are so eager to die to righteousness of obeying the law

 

[BreadOfLife]

Every human is born of water. But the post you responded to was accurate, sorry if it offended you

Absolutely - but that's NOT what John 3:5 is referring to.
Allow me to educate to . . .

If you had bothered to read the versesd PRIOR to this - you would know that Nicodemus was asking about how we are Born AGAIN . . .
John 3:1-5
Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

In Chapter 1 - we witness the Baptism of Jesus - and WHAT do we see??
WATER and the SPIRIT.

In Chapter 2 - we again see the transforming waters as Jesus turns water into wine at the Wedding at Cana.

In Chapter 3, Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be REBORN of WATER and Spirit.
And WHERE do Jesus and the disciples go after Nicodemus leaves??
They go to the river to BAPTIZE.

The first 3 chapters of John's Gospel are literally DRENCHED in the transaforming Waters of Baptism.

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Its always the same. People who stress obeying the ten commandments just justify any wrongdoing. Seen it over decades. No wonder people keep stressing you must obey the ten commandments when they set the bar so low concerning obedience. I never had the luxury you do
You better hope all your sins have been forgiven, that's the practical reality where entering heaven is concerned

Thank you for yet another evasive NON-answer .

You guys can NEVER deal with the Scriptural evidence - yet you profess Sola Scriptura.
Good job . . .. . .

 

[stephen64]

Absolutely - but that's NOT what John 3:5 is referring to.
Allow me to educate to . . .

If you had bothered to read the versesd PRIOR to this - you would know that Nicodemus was asking about how we are Born AGAIN . . .
John 3:1-5
Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

In Chapter 1 - we witness the Baptism of Jesus - and WHAT do we see??
WATER and the SPIRIT.

In Chapter 2 - we again see the transforming waters as Jesus turns water into wine at the Wedding at Cana.

In Chapter 3, Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be REBORN of WATER and Spirit.
And WHERE do Jesus and the disciples go after Nicodemus leaves??
They go to the river to BAPTIZE.

The first 3 chapters of John's Gospel are literally DRENCHED in the transaforming Waters of Baptism.

STUDY your Bible . . .

You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

You are far too hung up on rite, ritual and ceremony. Thou at times scripture may appear to state you are saved through faith and baptism the reality is you are saved by faith(Eph2:8)
Paul hardly baptised anyone but he preached the message all over the place. God wants your heart and repentance and an acceptance of his son, that matters far more than any rite, ritual or ceremony you can undertake.
A man is powerfully convicted of his sin by the Holy Spirit, he sinks to his knees, tears streaming down his cheeks and cries out to God for the forgiveness of his sins, he asks Christ into his life as his saviour. How will God respond? Will he say to the man
''I will forgive you, but not yet, only once you have been baptised in water''

You can believe that if you wish

 

[stephen64]

Thank you for yet another evasive NON-answer .

You guys can NEVER deal with the Scriptural evidence - yet you profess Sola Scriptura.
Good job . . .. . .

Here's scripture

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law/not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom 3:20