Who is the apostle Jesus loved the most?

[Magdala]

The Holy Spirit will not tell me or anyone else something that cannot be verified by scripture.

The Holy Spirit will not tell you or anyone else something that cannot be verified by Scripture you say? Where's that statement verified in Scripture? You must be able to cite where, because surely you're not someone who would make such a statement without being able to use Scripture to verify it, right?

Additionally, the apostle John mentioned that not everything Jesus did was written down (Jn. 21:25). So, how would you use Scripture to verify the things Jesus said and did on earth that wasn't written down should He reveal them?

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

See, the Holy Spirit will tell you what's going to happen, not what happened in the Past.

Jesus telling the apostles that the Holy Spirit will declare to them things that are coming isn't the same as saying that the Holy Spirit, nor the Father and the Son, will never reveal anything other than what pertains to the future.

A secular dictionary definition is not biblical.

Regarding revelations, all you said was that they are "about you and what is to happen."

In the English language, the word "revelation" has no definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.

Revelation
a : an act of revealing or communicating divine truth
b: something that is revealed by God to humans

2 a: an act of revealing to view or making known
b: something that is revealed
especially : an enlightening or astonishing disclosure
shocking revelations
c: a pleasant often enlightening surprise

In the Koine Greek language, the original language that the New Testament was written in, neither does the word "ἀποκάλυψις" (apokalypsis) have a definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.

ἀποκάλυψις

Forms of the word
Dictionary: ἀποκάλυψις, -εως, ἡ
Greek transliteration: apokalypsis
Simplified transliteration: apokalypsis

Numbers
Strong's number: 602
GK Number: 637

Statistics
Frequency in New Testament: 18
Morphology of Biblical Greek Tag: n-3e(5b)

Gloss: revelation, what is revealed, disclosure, to make information known with an implication that the information can be understood. This refers in the NT to God making information known, especially to his close associates

Definition: a disclosure, revelation, Rom. 2:5; manifestation, appearance, Rom. 8:19; 1 Cor. 1:7; 2 Thess. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:7, 13; 4:13; met. spiritual enlightenment, Lk. 2:32

So, since God reveals whenever, wherever, to whomever and about whatever He wills, lets say what Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta (see post #6) was dictated to you instead. What would you do?

 

[Magdala]

That wouldn't stop her from voting in Chicago; why should it prevent her from posting here?

Well, she lived in Italy.

 

[Magdala]

I wonder which definition of "loved" is used here. Think I'll look it up.

Refer back to post #6 for what is meant by it.

 

[Wick Stick]

In the Koine Greek language, the original language that the New Testament was written in, neither does the word "ἀποκάλυψις" (apokalypsis) have a definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future.

True. But ἀποκάλυψις does require that whatever-it-is was first hidden (κρυπτὸς)

 

[Magdala]

True. But ἀποκάλυψις does require that whatever-it-is was first hidden (κρυπτὸς)

Be clearer please.

 

[Wick Stick]

Be clearer please.

That's how the Greek word works. In order for something to be revealed (apokalypsis), it must first be hidden (κρυπτὸς).

 

[Magdala]

That's how the Greek word works. In order for something to be revealed (apokalypsis), it must first be hidden (κρυπτὸς).

That has nothing to do with what I was talking about, which is that the word for "revelation" isn't strictly about the future as another member claimed.

 

[Wick Stick]

That has nothing to do with what I was talking about, which is that the word for "revelation" isn't strictly about the future as another member claimed.

I think it's a relevant test of the "revelation" you've referenced

 

[Magdala]

I think it's a relevant test of the "revelation" you've referenced

Another member said that revelations are strictly about the future which it's not. I cited a Koine Greek word that means revelation and showed him there's no definition that limits it to the future. You're talking about something else.

 

[Lambano]

Of course, John ben Zebedee is on record as thinking Jesus loved HIM about 10% more than anyone else.

 

[Rockerduck]

Another member said that revelations are strictly about the future which it's not. I cited a Koine Greek word that means revelation and showed him there's no definition that limits it to the future. You're talking about something else.

I can write book and claim many things and nobody can challenge me, from another source. That's the way false prophets do things. They claim revelations, but no one can prove them. God's revelations are provable and also future. We see Matthew 24 playing out for 2000 years. Why is our Savior Jesus Christ in the bible always saying parables of what the Kingdom of God is like, and what hell is, but not was, but Salvation will be. The Apostle Paul calls our life of salvation a race to win the prize. Look forward to the end of the race to be in Heaven. Never look to the past, take up your cross and follow Jesus. Follow means always going forward.

 

[Magdala]

The Holy Spirit will not tell me or anyone else something that cannot be verified by scripture.

The Holy Spirit will not tell you or anyone else something that cannot be verified by Scripture you say? Where's that statement verified in Scripture? You must be able to cite where, because surely you're not someone who would make such a statement without being able to use Scripture to verify it, right?

Additionally, the apostle John mentioned that not everything Jesus did was written down (Jn. 21:25). So, how would you use Scripture to verify the things Jesus said and did on earth that wasn't written down should He reveal them?

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

See, the Holy Spirit will tell you what's going to happen, not what happened in the Past.

Jesus telling the apostles that the Holy Spirit will declare to them things that are coming isn't the same as saying that the Holy Spirit, nor the Father and the Son, will never reveal anything other than what pertains to the future.

A secular dictionary definition is not biblical.

Regarding revelations, all you said was that they are "about you and what is to happen."

In the English language, the word "revelation" has no definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.

Revelation
a : an act of revealing or communicating divine truth
b: something that is revealed by God to humans

2 a: an act of revealing to view or making known
b: something that is revealed
especially : an enlightening or astonishing disclosure
shocking revelations
c: a pleasant often enlightening surprise

In the Koine Greek language, the original language that the New Testament was written in, neither does the word "ἀποκάλυψις" (apokalypsis) have a definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.

ἀποκάλυψις

Forms of the word
Dictionary: ἀποκάλυψις, -εως, ἡ
Greek transliteration: apokalypsis
Simplified transliteration: apokalypsis

Numbers
Strong's number: 602
GK Number: 637

Statistics
Frequency in New Testament: 18
Morphology of Biblical Greek Tag: n-3e(5b)

Gloss: revelation, what is revealed, disclosure, to make information known with an implication that the information can be understood. This refers in the NT to God making information known, especially to his close associates

Definition: a disclosure, revelation, Rom. 2:5; manifestation, appearance, Rom. 8:19; 1 Cor. 1:7; 2 Thess. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:7, 13; 4:13; met. spiritual enlightenment, Lk. 2:32

So, since God reveals whenever, wherever, to whomever and about whatever He wills, lets say what Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta (see post #6) was dictated to you instead. What would you do?

 

[Rockerduck]

The Holy Spirit will not tell you or anyone else something that cannot be verified by Scripture you say? Where's that statement verified in Scripture? You must be able to cite where, because surely you're not someone who would make such a statement without being able to use Scripture to verify it, right?

Additionally, the apostle John mentioned that not everything Jesus did was written down (Jn. 21:25). So, how would you use Scripture to verify the things Jesus said and did on earth that wasn't written down should He reveal them?



Jesus telling the apostles that the Holy Spirit will declare to them things that are coming isn't the same as saying that the Holy Spirit, nor the Father and the Son, will never reveal anything other than what pertains to the future.



Regarding revelations, all you said was that they are "about you and what is to happen."

In the English language, the word "revelation" has no definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.



In the Koine Greek language, the original language that the New Testament was written in, neither does the word "ἀποκάλυψις" (apokalypsis) have a definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.



So, since God reveals whenever, wherever, to whomever and about whatever He wills, lets say what Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta (see post #6) was dictated to you instead. What would you do?

Believe what you want. I'm done. If it isn't verifiable, it isn't true.

 

[KUWN]

The Holy Spirit will not tell you or anyone else something that cannot be verified by Scripture you say? Where's that statement verified in Scripture? You must be able to cite where, because surely you're not someone who would make such a statement without being able to use Scripture to verify it, right?

Additionally, the apostle John mentioned that not everything Jesus did was written down (Jn. 21:25). So, how would you use Scripture to verify the things Jesus said and did on earth that wasn't written down should He reveal them?



Jesus telling the apostles that the Holy Spirit will declare to them things that are coming isn't the same as saying that the Holy Spirit, nor the Father and the Son, will never reveal anything other than what pertains to the future.



Regarding revelations, all you said was that they are "about you and what is to happen."

In the English language, the word "revelation" has no definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.



In the Koine Greek language, the original language that the New Testament was written in, neither does the word "ἀποκάλυψις" (apokalypsis) have a definition that limits revelations to strictly being about the future. See below.



So, since God reveals whenever, wherever, to whomever and about whatever He wills, lets say what Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta (see post #6) was dictated to you instead. What would you do?

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

See, the Holy Spirit will tell you what's going to happen, not what happened in the Past.

This is a specific promise given only to the Apostles. This certainly doesn't apply to Church Age believers.

 

[Wick Stick]

Another member said that revelations are strictly about the future which it's not. I cited a Koine Greek word that means revelation and showed him there's no definition that limits it to the future. You're talking about something else.

Yes. I followed the conversation. So have you, although apparently you're confused about why I would bring up "something else"

 

[Magdala]

Yes. I followed the conversation. So have you, although apparently you're confused about why I would bring up "something else"

No confusion. All I said was what you said in post #44 is not the same as what I said in post #41.

 

[Magdala]

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

See, the Holy Spirit will tell you what's going to happen, not what happened in the Past.

This is a specific promise given only to the Apostles. This certainly doesn't apply to Church Age believers.

Jesus telling the apostles that the Holy Spirit will declare to them things that are coming isn't the same as saying that the Holy Spirit, nor the Father and the Son, will never reveal anything other than what pertains to the future.

 

[Rockerduck]

Jesus telling the apostles that the Holy Spirit will declare to them things that are coming isn't the same as saying that the Holy Spirit, nor the Father and the Son, will never reveal anything other than what pertains to the future.

You don't hear the Holy Spirit speak to you obviously. God has chosen not to reveal Himself to you. Have you made Jesus Christ Lord of your Life.? Your believing untrue things makes you deaf to God. He can't hear you for the lack of faith after sending Jesus Christ to save you yet you still believe a lie.

 

[Magdala]

The Holy Spirit will not tell me or anyone else something that cannot be verified by scripture.

The Holy Spirit will not tell you or anyone else something that cannot be verified by Scripture you say? Where's that statement verified in Scripture? You must be able to cite where, because surely you're not someone who would make such a statement without being able to use Scripture to verify it, right?

If it isn't verifiable, it isn't true.

If something automatically isn't true if it's not verifiable by Scripture, then what about, for example, the apostle John mentioning that not everything Jesus did was written down (Jn. 21:25), which is why those details aren't mentioned in any of the Evangelist accounts. In the event that Jesus reveals those details to you or another, how would you use Scripture to verify them? And, if you can't, you're saying that those details are automatically not true. Do you see the problem with that?

 

[Rockerduck]

Y

The Holy Spirit will not tell you or anyone else something that cannot be verified by Scripture you say? Where's that statement verified in Scripture? You must be able to cite where, because surely you're not someone who would make such a statement without being able to use Scripture to verify it, right?



If something automatically isn't true if it's not verifiable by Scripture, then what about, for example, the apostle John mentioning that not everything Jesus did was written down (Jn. 21:25), which is why those details aren't mentioned in any of the Evangelist accounts. In the event that Jesus reveals those details to you or another, how would you use Scripture to verify them? And, if you can't, you're saying that those details are automatically not true. Do you see the problem with that?

You don't have the Holy Spirit obviously. You cannot talk about the Holy Spirit until you experienced the indwelling.