Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)
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Phoneman777
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Protestant Historicism arose centuries before the organization of the SDA church, friend.
Actually:
In the 2nd Coming, Jesus sweeps over Earth, collecting the dead/living saints, leaving behind destruction.
They depart to heaven for 1,000 years, while the wicked drop dead and sleep, and Satan and company stew.
1,000 years later, New Jerusalem descends in the Middle East, the wicked rise, are judged, then destroyed.
That's not a prophecy - it's an observation to prove a point. We can't base our eschatology on such blatant subjectivity.
The papacy fits EVERY SINGLE IDENTIFYING MARK of Bible prophecy's Antichrist.
I'm happy to go over them with you.
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During the 70th Week (27 A.D - 34 A.D.), Jesus confirmed the new covenant of salvation for 7 years, first in Person for 3 1/2 years and then "by them that heard Him" for the remaining 3 1/2 years. The prophecy was fulfilled exactly right on time for exactly the duration prophesied: 490 years.
According to Job 41:4 KJV, satanic agencies do not "make a covenant with thee".
The messiah is cutoff after 69 (62+7) weeks, not 69 1/2 weeks.
The full 7 years of the 70th week remains to...
Daniel 9:
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
... the vision is that of the little horn person's time of the end 2300 days in Daniel 8, when Daniel first encountered Gabriel.
No, at His Second Coming, Jesus descends to the Mt. of Olives in Jerusalem. Jesus will be accompanied by the previously raptured/resurrected saints and angels from heaven.
Jesus then reigns here on earth for the next thousand years. Along with the resurrected Great Tribulation martyrs.
I do wonder what group would be stupid enough to fight against the resurrected Christ and think they could win?
There is not one recognized expositor of the true Christian Church prior to the 19th century who denies the full and perfect fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 by Christ at Calvary.
You're an alien voice in denial of Christ's accomplishments at Calvary.
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He's absolutely cut off after 69 1/2:
"street/wall shall be built" = 7 Weeks
"after threescore and two" = 62 Weeks
These two verses together allow for only one conclusion: the Cross was "after" the 69 which is "during" the 70th - the middle of it.
The word "midst" means "middle" - not "peripheral".
Some Jesuit Futurists recognize this "midst" problem, which is why their "last 7 years tribulation" is adjusted to 3 1/2 years. I'm glad Protestant Historicism needs no such gaps, no adjustments, no distortions.
Friend, you do realize the reason why Daniel - a man "skilled in all manner of visions" - collapsed was because he understood the 2300 Days were "prophetic" days or "literal" years - right?
After 70 years in Babylon, what's another 6.38 years? He could have done that standing on his head.
No, he collapsed because the thought of 2,300 years more of Jerusalem desolation was too much to bear.
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Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah, King of Israel, in John 12:12-15. 4 days later was crucified.
The midst of the week does mean middle part. That is when the abomination of desolation is set up. The abomination of desolation set up triggers the Great Tribulation that lasts 1335 days. Ending when Jesus returns.
The 7 year 70th week is the 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following the Gog/Magog event.
Gog/Magog, then 7 years, then Armageddon, when Jesus returns to this earth - Ezekiel 39.
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Also, the 7 year 70h week is end times because the 1290 days and the 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12 must fit within it.
Also, the 1260 days of the two witnesses must fit within the 7 year 70th week.
Also, the 42 months rule of the beast-king must fit within the 7 year 70th week.
Also, the time/times/half time that Satan will have left must fit within the 7 year 70th week.
The 2300 days fits within the 2520 day 7 year 70th week.
There is no "amputated" 70 weeks, nor 70th week. I showed a timeline chart of how the 2300 days fit within the 7 year 70th week.
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Jesus doesn't descend anywhere at the Second Coming. We go up to meet Him in the air.
It is after the 1,000 years that New Jerusalem relocates to Earth with Jesus and the saints who went up to meet Him in the air 1,000 years earlier. Then, the wicked resurrect, are judged, sentenced, and executed, then Jesus makes the "new heaven and earth".
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"Unto Messiah the Prince" refers to His baptism - not the "triumphal entry".
Artaxerxes Longimanus' 444 B.C. is not the "commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" - it's merely authorization for the provision of timber.
Only decree comprehensive enough to fulfill Daniel 9:25 KJV is the Ezra 7 decree of Artaxerxes in 457 B.C.
"in the midst of the week Messiah shall be cut off" means "in the middle of the week Messiah shall be cut off".
No midst of the week, no amputation of the 70 from the 2300, no comprehensive decree requirement...look, let's agree to disagree, OK?
No, the text is unto messiah. The messiah's baptism, nor length of ministry is mentioned.
No, the text does not say in the midst of the week Messiah shall be cut off.
I don't know what you meant by "amputation". I have not said anything about the 70th week being anything less than 7 years.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
The 70 week prophecy is an exact prophecy. No
"when the rapture" or other things. It is exact.
the numbers add up exactly.
The Bible speaks of no gap. Right after Stephen is stoned, Saul is converted. What did he do? He took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
The 70 week prophecy is an exact prophecy. No
"when the rapture" or other things. It is exact.
the numbers add up exactly.
The Bible speaks of no gap. Right after Stephen is stoned, Saul is converted. What did he do? He took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Daniel 9 does not mention the baptism of Jesus. Nor the length of the messiah ministry. Nor the resurrection of the messiah. Nor the stoning of one of Jesus''s followers. Nor of taking the gospel to the Gentiles.
The 70th week begins when the prince that shall come of the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary (temple) confirms the covenant with many for 7 years.
The people who destroyed the city and sanctuary were the Romans. Jesus was not of the Roman people. The Romans were the one who physically crucified Jesus.
The vision of the 2300 days of the time of end activities of the little horn person fits within the 7 year 70th week.
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Who is the "Anti-Christ"?
Its the Islamic "Savior".
He is their : MAHDI
He is literally the : "anti-Christ".. that the Christians know by that Title.
Its the Islamic "Savior".
He is their : MAHDI
He is literally the : "anti-Christ".. that the Christians know by that Title.
The Mahdi is a muslim made up end times figure which they did not take from the bible. The muslims have two other end times figures - which they did take from the bible - but twisted them. One is the dajaal, the muslim version of the Antichrist. The other is Isa, the muslim version of Jesus.
The Antichrist that John spoke of has to be a Jew who's religion initially is Judaism in order to be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.
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Doesn't "messiah" mean "anointed"?
When was Jesus "anointed"?
The Triumphal Entry?
Or, in the Jordan?
It says "in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease" --- which happened when He was "cut off".
Look up the Hebrew "chatak" which means "amputate",.
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"Jesus the prophet" is in the same Quran and Hadith that speaks about the Mahdi.
The reason that "Islam" tries to create worldwide war and chaos, is because their "bible(s)" teach them that their Mahdi, will come if they do.
This is Why you have Hezbollah, and Hamas, and ISIS, and Houthis, and similar.. they are trying to bring in their Savior.
Their Savior, is the Anti-Christ.
He is exposed correctly in our Bible, because the Quran is a book of Lies that tries to hide what its doing.
The Quran teaches that its "ok to lie", and it does.
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