Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[The Light]

None of the heads are fallen or fell in the past. The beast has all 7 heads intact, and never has an 8th. The heads are land masses where ten major kingdoms will be established.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[MatthewG]

Cant stop people from believing what they want to. It's just impossible. (idk why an alert was here for me, oh well.) This is my piece of worldly wisdom.

 

[Davy]

The Antichrist isn't one Pope. It's impossible for one individual within one short period of modern time to meet all the criteria that scripture provides by which we may accurately identify the Antichrist. So you really suppose that God has left His dearly beloved church to rely on guesswork and clairvoyance in order to identify their greatest enemy bar Satan? I ask that because that is what the modern church is relying on.. Futurism is guesswork. It offers nothing by way of truth and scriptural foundational principles as evidence to identify anyone. My pays above regarding the ministry of Christ are but a brief introduction... Which you already are arguing with.

You have run your mind off in a ditch of irrelevant thought.

Identifying the coming Antichrist per God's Word is easy. It will be the devil himself. That is why the Rev.13:4 verse says the whole world will worship the... "DRAGON".

Who is the "dragon" per God's Word?

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Jesus again through His servant Apostle John, all warned about that coming false one that will work great signs and wonders, and miracles, and rain fire down from heaven to the earth in the sight of men, and by those miracles will deceive the whole world. We are even shown he will 'ascend from the bottomless pit' and kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem for the end!

It's a no brainer. Many would rather believe on their 'pop' preachers that preach their 'religious system' doctrines instead studying for theirselves in God's Word.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Here's a heads up for you.

Revelation 11 concludes Gods wrath. Gods' wrath begins after the 7th seal is opened and the 1st trumpet sounds. Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet.
Part of Revelation 12 takes place in the 1st 6 seals of Revelation 6
Revelation 13 takes place in the 1st 6 seals as does Revelation 14.
Revelation 15 and 16 put you back in Gods wrath of the 7th seal.

Revelation reads like Genesis 7 you get 3 views of Noah loading the animals and 3 views of the flood in Genesis 7. Each view has different information.
In Revelation 6 thru 16 you get two views of the tribulation and two views of the wrath of God. Each view of the same timeframe has different information.

Thanks. I would like to add that the first 3.5 years is in Revelation 12, and the second half is in 13.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Cant stop people from believing what they want to. It's just impossible. (idk why an alert was here for me, oh well.) This is my piece of worldly wisdom.

What do you mean by "alert"?

 

[MatthewG]

What do you mean by "alert"?

My bell notification was on (the little one that is right by the mail, next to the profile picture), and I clicked it. It brought me here but there was no tag. Not sure what happened there, checked to make sure it wasn't from watching the thread, and it was not it.

 

[Davy]

Ezekiel 28 I already know about. Here is something to think about that I just thought of. Did the Garden of Eden originate on earth at creation? Or did the garden and the trees originate in heaven and God brought it down to earth and put Adam and Eve in it as their first home? It's no longer on earth now but in heaven.

God's Garden of Eden was originally here, on earth, even before He formed Adam.

This is a pretty deep Biblical subject if one is not prepared for it in Bible study. In Ezekiel 31, God is pointing to Satan again using "the Assyrian" title. Much heavy metaphor about the high cedar, and the many trees under his shadow, and his roots were by great waters, and how he was exalted in God's Garden...

Ezek 31:3-8
3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

The cedar in Lebanon is used as a symbol for royalty in God's Word (see Ezekiel 17). The above description is symbolic for exalted status.

4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

That idea of those "waters" running to rivers to his plants and all the trees of the field, is symbolic for God's River of the waters of life in that time. Verse 7 further below expresses this idea especially.

5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

If one thinks God is pointing to the 'flesh' king of Assyria with this, then they won't think anything about that above "under his shadow dwelt all great nations". But in verse 8 further below, God is showing this one He speaks of here was once "in the garden of God". That means God's Garden of Eden.

And we know the 'flesh' king of Assyria never was in God's Garden of Eden.

7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
KJV

So with that above "and under his shadow dwelt all great nations", if God is pointing to Satan with that "the Assyrian" title, God is actually giving us a hint of what happened here on earth before Satan as that "Assyrian" rebelled.

It means Satan was originally exalted in God's Garden of Eden before he rebelled, and he was even a king, like high royalty (cedar of Lebanon symbol). And under his shadow dwelt all great nations? Yeah! Hard for many to understand, but there were previous civilizations upon this earth prior to Satan's rebellion. That was the 1st world earth age, what Apostle Peter called "the world that then was", which perished by a flood (not Noah's day either).

In final, per Revelation and the Books of God's prophets, The Father Himself is going to return to this earth, bringing His Paradise of Eden with Him. And He will live with us. The new Jerusalem will even be called, "The LORD is there" (last verse of Ezekiel 48).

 

[1stCenturyLady]

My bell notification was on (the little one that is right by the mail, next to the profile picture), and I clicked it. It brought me here but there was no tag. Not sure what happened there, checked to make sure it wasn't from watching the thread, and it was not it.

I've noticed that when you click on it, it doesn't bring you to the post it says. If a lot of people are posting at once.. Look at the time and the poster to find it. See who had a reaction to your post and go to it to see.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

God's Garden of Eden was originally here, on earth, even before He formed Adam.

This is a pretty deep Biblical subject if one is not prepared for it in Bible study. In Ezekiel 31, God is pointing to Satan again using "the Assyrian" title. Much heavy metaphor about the high cedar, and the many trees under his shadow, and his roots were by great waters, and how he was exalted in God's Garden...

Ezek 31:3-8
3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

The cedar in Lebanon is used as a symbol for royalty in God's Word (see Ezekiel 17). The above description is symbolic for exalted status.

4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

That idea of those "waters" running to rivers to his plants and all the trees of the field, is symbolic for God's River of the waters of life in that time. Verse 7 further below expresses this idea especially.

5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

If one thinks God is pointing to the 'flesh' king of Assyria with this, then they won't think anything about that above "under his shadow dwelt all great nations". But in verse 8 further below, God is showing this one He speaks of here was once "in the garden of God". That means God's Garden of Eden.

And we know the 'flesh' king of Assyria never was in God's Garden of Eden.

7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
KJV

So with that above "and under his shadow dwelt all great nations", if God is pointing to Satan with that "the Assyrian" title, God is actually giving us a hint of what happened here on earth before Satan as that "Assyrian" rebelled.

It means Satan was originally exalted in God's Garden of Eden before he rebelled, and he was even a king, like high royalty (cedar of Lebanon symbol). And under his shadow dwelt all great nations? Yeah! Hard for many to understand, but there were previous civilizations upon this earth prior to Satan's rebellion. That was the 1st world earth age, what Apostle Peter called "the world that then was", which perished by a flood (not Noah's day either).

In final, per Revelation and the Books of God's prophets, The Father Himself is going to return to this earth, bringing His Paradise of Eden with Him. And He will live with us. The new Jerusalem will even be called, "The LORD is there" (last verse of Ezekiel 48).

I just printed this out and can take it to bed with me where I study. Thanks. Good night, Davy

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

And none of the heads are fallen so this proves the 7 heads are not the 8 kings of Rev 17:10-11

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads (no heads are fallen!) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 

[ewq1938]

Thanks. I would like to add that the first 3.5 years is in Revelation 12, and the second half is in 13.

There are two separate 3.5 year periods in Rev 12, both happening before the GT starts which is found mentioned in the last verse of Rev 12.

 

[The Light]

Revelation 6

And none of the heads are fallen so this proves the 7 heads are not the 8 kings of Rev 17:10-11

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads (no heads are fallen!) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

I see your point.

 

[MatthewG]

@The Light please stop trying to get me into the discussion. I cant change peoples minds. Some people have mental handicaps, and other issues. Only through time and patiences perhaps God can renew the mind, but that is left up for Him, and the individual. God works with those who let him work with them, and the individual has to make their own choice in what they precieve to be right, even it may not be. May the Spirit Guide.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 6

I see your point.

Ok, so which translation would be correct based on what is found in that verse?

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

"and" meaning verse 10 has a new subject different from the subject of verse 9.

Rev 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
Rev 17:10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.

Or, somehow the 7 heads are these 7 kings, and 5 had fallen, 6 fallen by today so how many heads should the beast rise up and have in Rev 13? Surely not all 7 since 6 should have fallen.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There are two separate 3.5 year periods in Rev 12, both happening before the GT starts which is found mentioned in the last verse of Rev 12.

I know. They are speaking of the same period but in two different ways. This is important to note because the Eastern (Semitic) way to show us that the 1,260 days is NOT a prophetic 1,260 YEARS. But some western denominations such as SDA still erroneously see them as years like they do the Daniel 8 2,300 mornings and evenings. That was 2,300 actual 24 hour days just like the 24 hour evenings and mornings that counted each day in the week of Creation. That 6.3 years was the first Jewish revolt against their Greek ruler, Antiochus IV Epiphanes who defiled their temple by slaughtering a pig on the Jews altar to God. 167 BC to 160 BC. I can't help but wonder if God killed him as he died in 164 BC, and it could have been at the same time he slaughtered the pig. If the Millerites had known how to count the days in prophesies, the Great Disappointment wouldn't have happened.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No.

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Wow!!!! I LOVE your avatar!!!!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Cant stop people from believing what they want to. It's just impossible. (idk why an alert was here for me, oh well.) This is my piece of worldly wisdom.

I looked back at this thread and see that you've been posting on this thread so that is the reason you received an alert. It does that when someone posts something to a thread it sees you "watching."

 

[BarneyFife]

Wow!!!! I LOVE your avatar!!!!

Thanks! Yours is certainly no slouch either, Sis. I'll bet I could pick out an even nicer one for you, though. You have a slightly vexed look about you - lol.

There are tons of shots to choose from, way more nice ones than for Don Knotts. :)

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[Davy]

There are two separate 3.5 year periods in Rev 12, both happening before the GT starts which is found mentioned in the last verse of Rev 12.

Actually, the latter mention of 3.5 years (or 1260 days), is associated with all those Rev.12:7-17 events.

1. A 3.5 years period is mention just PRIOR to the casting of Satan and his host of angels out of the Heavenly dimension.

2a. Then we are told Satan and his angels are cast down to this earth, AMONG US. (Rev.12:12) This means that casting out event is for the end of this world, not back in history. It happens in between the two 3.5 year periods.

2b. Then a 2nd 3.5 year period with the events of testing, the 5th seal event, pointing to the time of "great tribulation".

The prophecy that above follows is the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 which is divided in the middle into 2ea. 1260 days periods. The latter 1260 days, or 3.5 years period, is the time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world.

 

[Davy]

I just printed this out and can take it to bed with me where I study. Thanks. Good night, Davy

I've one more to throw at you that might be of help. It's related to the subject in Ezekiel 31 about the great nations idea.

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

1. per Rev.12:9 and Rev.20:2, the "dragon" is another title for Satan.

2. that kingdom above has only "seven crowns", whereas the the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1 for the end is to have "ten crowns".

3. that above event time of that beast kingdom above with "seven crowns" is associated with the time when that "red dragon" (Satan) drew one third of the angels ("stars") to earth in rebellion with him.

4. that rebellion happened in the previous world, prior to Adam and Eve.

5. because that beast kingdom with "seven crowns" existed at the time that Satan drew a third of the angels to earth, in the previous world time, it means the Ezekiel 31:6 idea of "under his shadow dwelt all great nations" was literally about a previous world-wide beast kingdom upon the ancient earth which Satan rebelled with. And that was a long time prior to the day that God formed Adam in His Garden.

6. that old world, before Satan rebelled, was not a time of man in the flesh. It was a time when the angelic dwelt upon the earth, with Satan exalted. At Genesis 1:1 is when God made His 'perfect' creation, a time before Satan rebelled against Him. Sometime after Genesis 1:1 Satan coveted God's Throne and rebelled. Genesis 1:2 is actually a description of the earth in a waste condition, from God having ended that old world He first created perfect. (See Jeremiah 4:23-28, and Romans 8:18-25).