Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[MatthewG]

There was no single "the antichrist" among them then, hence John's reference to many antichrists.

Nero was not alive at the Reformation.

I dont see Johns letter having anything to do with the reformarion… therefore while you may say that, and hold is as true. I do not, you can believe whatever you want, but if you cant tell me who the name of the man is in 666 how are you using wisdom? Many have come to the conclusion its Nero. Maybe they are wrong, however why you gonna say its the pope today or how can you say its even true if you do not know?

 

[covenantee]

I dont see Johns letter having anything to do with the reformarion… therefore while you may say that, and hold is as true. I do not, you can believe whatever you want, but if you cant tell me who the name of the man is in 666 how are you using wisdom? Many have come to the conclusion its Nero. Maybe they are wrong, however why you gonna say its the pope today or how can you say its even true if you do not know?

Neither did John's letter have anything to do with Nero.

 

[MatthewG]

Neither did John's letter have anything to do with Nero.

I differ with you, but thank you for letting me know your opinion, sir.

 

[covenantee]

I differ with you, but thank you for letting me know your opinion, sir.

Nero's "reign" ended in 68 AD. John's letter was written beginning in 95 AD. That's not an opinion.

 

[MatthewG]

Nero's "reign" ended in 68 AD. John's letter was written beginning in 95 AD. That's not an opinion.

Yes its a traditionally believed thing, which does make it an opinion. All the bible books datings are debatable.

 

[covenantee]

Yes its a traditionally believed thing, which does make it an opinion. All the bible books datings are debatable.

It is the view of prevailing scholarship, which is sufficient for me.

 

[MatthewG]

It is the view of prevailing scholarship, which is sufficient for me.

Good. It isnt for me. Men even myself can be wrong sometimes.

Thank you for your time. And have a good night.

 

[covenantee]

Good. It isnt for me. Men even myself can be wrong sometimes.

Thank you for your time. And have a good night.

Thank you. You too.

 

[ewq1938]

I do not, you can believe whatever you want, but if you cant tell me who the name of the man is in 666 how are you using wisdom? Many have come to the conclusion its Nero. Maybe they are wrong, however why you gonna say its the pope today or how can you say its even true if you do not know?

Nero's name doesn't add to 666. Since the AC isn't here yet, no one can provide an exact name.

 

[MatthewG]

Nero's name doesn't add to 666. Since the AC isn't here yet, no one can provide an exact name.

Okay you may believe however you claim. It’s your choice.

 

[covenantee]

Okay you may believe however you claim. It’s your choice.

FYInterest, 666 can derived from the names of both Nero and the popes. All qualify as antichrists, but none as "The Antichrist". That is a dispensational delusion (1 John 2:18) originating in the counterfeit Jesuit futurism of the historical apostate papacy's counter-Reformation.

For the popes, their Roman title was/is:

VICARIVS FILII DEI--Vicar of the Son of God

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
I = 1
V = 5

I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
I = 1
---------
Total 666

 

[MatthewG]

FYInterest, 666 can derived from the names of both Nero and the popes. All qualify as antichrists, but none as "The Antichrist". That is a dispensational delusion (1 John 2:18) originating in the counterfeit Jesuit futurism of the historical apostate papacy's counter-Reformation.

For the popes, their Roman title was/is:

VICARIVS FILII DEI--Vicar of the Son of God

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
I = 1
V = 5

I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
I = 1
---------
Total 666

Oh okay.

It was for Nero too from what is understood. Anyway, thank you for sharing with me, Whatever you choose to believe is up to you. It doesn't effect my own personally lived life ya know what I mean? @covenantee, you take care now.

 

[rwb]

John declared that there were already many antichrists (1 John 2:18).

Consistent with this, the Reformers recognized each successive named pope in the apostate papacy as an antichrist.

Exactly! Throughout redemptive history there has always been two types of people of the earth, those who were/are for/with the Lord, called faithful saints, believers, Christians, and those who are/were against the Lord, called anti-christ, and anti-christians.

 

[amigo de christo]

I dont see Johns letter having anything to do with the reformarion… therefore while you may say that, and hold is as true. I do not, you can believe whatever you want, but if you cant tell me who the name of the man is in 666 how are you using wisdom? Many have come to the conclusion its Nero. Maybe they are wrong, however why you gonna say its the pope today or how can you say its even true if you do not know?

Who is a liar but he who denies JESUS IS the CHRIST , HE is anti christ . YEAH lets read that about FIFTY times
and then you will soon understand why i constantly rebuke this all inclusive anti christ false love religion .
Yeah . ANTI CHRIST . He who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST . Might wanna let the popes and protestants IN on that one
cause they have created anti christ love religion . Which aint love and it aint of GOD . Have a nice day my friend

 

[MatthewG]

Who is a liar but he who denies JESUS IS the CHRIST , HE is anti christ . YEAH lets read that about FIFTY times
and then you will soon understand why i constantly rebuke this all inclusive anti christ false love religion .
Yeah . ANTI CHRIST . He who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST . Might wanna let the popes and protestants IN on that one
cause they have created anti christ love religion . Which aint love and it aint of GOD . Have a nice day my friend

People hate on popes and protestents. People worry about to much of whats going on in the world. Gotta keep a light touch on the world. Share when lead by the spirit and let people choose. I have only met one person who told me recently that “Jesus Christ is a myth in my book,” and I still had a desire to love the young man, as a human being. God still loved that young man too.

 

[MatthewG]

Another person, was kind of iffy about Jesus Christ, when talking to him about the LORD. I told him I was evil, and he was kind of iffy about that too when we dead-locked eyes upon the saying.

Anyway, it's fun to share the LORD when you are going by the spirit. Remember it is to Love God first - having that priority met, then... to love your neighbor as yourself (which is to share wisdom and knowledge with the other person), Proverbs 9:7-8

 

[Hobie]

Now this is interesting as it shows how paganism was basically incorporated into the church at Rome...
"Here is how Pagan Rome was converted to Papal Rome:

Roman Empire (Imperium Romanum) renamed: Roman Catholic Church

Curia (legal body of Senators) slight name change: Curia (legal body of Cardinals)

Roman Emperor renamed: Roman Pope (head of all church and state affairs)

Civil government matters of state: Extra-Ordinary affairs (matters of civil-state governments)

Religious orders matters: Church “ecclesiastical” matters

Roman College of Senators renamed: College of Cardinals

Magistrate of College of Senators renamed: Dean of College of Cardinals

Departments of the Roman Senatorial Curia renamed: Congregations

Political Ambassador renamed: Pro-Nuncio (highest civil ambassador sent to other governments, ie Washington DC, London etc)

......Roman Senators renamed: Cardinals

Roman Governors renamed: Archbishops

Roman Senator with no territory: Bishop (Code of Canon Law 376)

(Large) Roman Province renamed: Archdiocese

(Small) Roman Territory renamed: Diocese

Imperial Chair of Jupiter where Caesar sat renamed: Throne of St. Peter

Vestal Virgins renamed: Nuns

Pontifex Maximus (high priest of College of Senators) renamed: Supreme Pontiff of College of Cardinals

Pontiff or “high priest ” of a pagan religious order (Zues, Apollo, Diana, Mars, Jupiter, Baal, Dionysys, Pythia etc) same name: Pontiff

A Pontiff (Latin: “pontifex”) means bridge-builder or priest between man and the gods of the underworld.

The Roman Calendar and Holy Days of the gods renamed: Calendar Holidays of the Saints

Voice of the gods speaking through Caesar: Ex-Cathedra: Voice of God speaking through Pope

Meeting of the Pontiffs (high priests) of the pagan religious orders renamed: Ecumenical Council of the Bishops

Legal act of creating a god (of a living or dead human, as was done to most of the Caesars) “Apotheosis of the Gods” renamed: Canonization of the Saints

A decree of Caesar (dictator for life): Pope’s infallible Dogma

Praying to a dead human god renamed: Praying to a saint"
....Papal Rome as a Continuation of Pagan Rome

 

[Hobie]

FYInterest, 666 can derived from the names of both Nero and the popes. All qualify as antichrists, but none as "The Antichrist". That is a dispensational delusion (1 John 2:18) originating in the counterfeit Jesuit futurism of the historical apostate papacy's counter-Reformation.

For the popes, their Roman title was/is:

VICARIVS FILII DEI--Vicar of the Son of God

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
I = 1
V = 5

I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
I = 1
---------
Total 666

But you have to understand that this entity was a religious/political power as it ruled and you find its structure from its system of worship which never changed from the ancient times but evolved all the way from Babylon as a substitute to the true worship. You can find it as it came into the Greek system of gods which the Romans absorbed and built up into their system of worship which we see today in the Papacy. The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Worship | PBS

 

[covenantee]

But you have to understand that this entity was a religious/political power as it ruled and you find its structure from its system of worship which never changed from the ancient times but evolved all the way from Babylon as a substitute to the true worship. You can find it as it came into the Greek system of gods which the Romans absorbed and built up into their system of worship which we see today in the Papacy. The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Worship | PBS

The Reformers accurately identified it as an antichrist.

 

[Jay Ross]

If you want to identify the entity that is the antichrist you only have to consider the wicked fallen heavenly hosts to discover who the antichrist might be. It is either, Satan, the beast or the false prophet. The antichrist will not be drawn from among the human race.

Shalom