Who is more dangerous? Islam, or Catholicism?

[bbyrd009]

Catholics do take things personally...a criticism of the system they adhere to is a criticism of themselves as they think they are one and the same. A Catholic cannot perceive (under pain of excommunication...loss of salvation...threat of hell etc etc) a separation from the church and a Christian life outside it. Such was certainly the case when I was growing up. It was what we were taught. A Catholic very rarely considers anyone outside the church as a genuine Christian. Certainly the Vatican, if honest, doesn't.

yes. Maintenance of the ego over abolish all rule and authority and powers, which gottsa wonder how DRB even handles that one?

So what i got anyway was "focus on your ego Bc it's bad, your bad, cloister with other bad ppl to and improve your ego, penance, penance, penance, the camp is your friend and the world is evil and out to get you, don't walk through the valley and you won't have to be so afraid, onward Christian Soldier, the end."

The above being said, I cannot cease from teaching the gospel.

now don't freak out ok, Bible Search: teaching the gospel , just another one we heard i guess. freaky, huh.

Every, single thing we know is wrong, bl, in some fundamental way imo.
Test everything mmmkay, and keep what is good bro, I tell you what.
Oh and drugs are bad, mmmkay. don't do 'em

And according to Revelation 14:6-12 that everlasting gospel includes, must include, prophetic warnings regarding Babylon, the beast, its mark, and the current political/religious movements leading to end-time events and the associated movers and shakers bringing it all about.

ah ya, the movers and the shakers, baby, let's move um, let's SHAKE um, yeh, i'm gonnado BIG THINGS FOR JESUS 'member those days? NOW GET OUT THERE AND FIGHT lol

I pray God I have never, and pray will never, abuse anyone personally or allow my posts to be written in a way that may be taken in a manner intended as an insult or a doubt as to anyone's salvation.

I hope you get what you deserve, bl

Just like the rest of us.

 

[bbyrd009]

Hmm..have I over-identified with the Catholic Church?
Also, I have no doubt there are better Christians than me out there, but that has nothing to do with my church

hmm, and you wonder if you have over IDed as Catholic? Ok
I mean if there are better Xtians than you out, there you have no doubt then
wouldn't or i mean shouldn't that have like everything todo with your church, A?
Hey, just got back from A btw, Mammon Rules there. Guess that's why i love it lol
This Cursed Valley
I still call the other end of it "home"

 

[Bobby Jo]

Bobby Jo, unlike you, I have studied all three main schools of eschatological thought: Jesuit Futurism, Jesuit Preterism, and Protestant Historicism. I marvel at how confident you are that Protestant Historicism can't be supported by Scripture when you know absolutely nothing about it. I'm available to go over it with you, if you like.

Great! So I guess that means that you'll provide whatever basis (in the Book of Revelation) your imagination has conjured up to assail the Catholic Religion.

I was waiting in Post #56, and I'm still waiting ...


Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

To answer your question, I am not aware of one against the Catholic church, specifically. I think it would depend upon your take of the 7 churches that Jesus told John to write the letters. I have certainly seen modern American churches fit a few of the 7 churches described. Like I said, I'm not up to speed on Catholicism, so I can't provide an answer other than I'm not aware of one against the Catholic church.

EXACTLY. There are those who use FALSE interpretations of various Chapters of Revelation to assail the Catholic Church, -- including Rev. 17 --, but there is NO LEGITIMATE justification for any of their slanders! :)


Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Me hide Bobby? Nah. My beliefs on the RCC not prophecy based Bobbly? Nah....

The Antichrist: The Deep, Dark Secret

The Criteria of Antichrist.

Will the real "Antichrist" please stand up?

Don't send me other posts, just identify and defend those verses which you butcher (Historically and Scripturally) to justify your slanders. :)


Bobby Jo

 

[Phoneman777]

Great! So I guess that means that you'll provide whatever basis (in the Book of Revelation) your imagination has conjured up to assail the Catholic Religion.

I was waiting in Post #56, and I'm still waiting ...


Bobby Jo

Why go directly to the book of Revelation for Antichrist when the Antichrist is revealed previously in the OT?

BTW, regarding post 56, what specifically do you want to know?

 

[Bobby Jo]

Why go directly to the book of Revelation for Antichrist when the Antichrist is revealed previously in the OT?

BTW, regarding post 56, what specifically do you want to know?

I want your FALSE assertions to come from the Book of Revelation, where we KNOW the subject is at the end of the age, -- rather than something taken out of context, and applied to the incorrect era, circumstance, organization, etc.


Now, do you have anymore excuses?!? :)


Bobby Jo

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I would say that the Pope Francis is a Antichrist because of his works prove it.
I would not say that the RCC was preaching Antichrist doctrine until Pope Francis although their are Satanist always working within any denomination or office you can think of, not to mention one can point out in any denomination many wrongs.

I would say that it comes down to who one is personally, you follow in Jesus or you don't. all them who don't are Antichrist regardless of denomination.
Just because one says he believes in Jesus means nothing at all, as the Devil himself believes and even knows who Jesus is, but rebels.

Islam claims to believe in Jesus but they do not know who he truly is and in that they truly reject him in fact so they are Antichrist in fact.

The Jews are Antichrist as well because they do not know him and reject him, so the fact is that they are an Antichrist.
Jesus warned us about such people who claim to be Christians that know him, now Jesus says that he never knew them ? one may ask why, well they never truly knew him or truly abided in him.
Jesus is the well spring all must drink freely of him, that's what Salvation is all about and one knows he is the Lord and abide in him totally, because once you step outside of that you are dealing with Satan.

Their are no deals with Jesus, Jesus does not make deals ever, not one is mentioned in the Bible that I know of, the only deals are that of Satan, so when I hear of idiots claiming any rubbish like, it's a done deal ! such are of Satan.
Satan tried to do a deal with Jesus, but Jesus rejected such.
Jesus never did any deals, how can you do a deal with God, you abide or you don't.
No one likes God by our Sinful nature, but the fact is you can't beat God so one has to abide, that is why we have the Yoke with the Pricks is talked about, so you walk the path of God. every True Christian has that Yoke, it's not our will be done but that of Christ Jesus, because every true Christian knows Gods ways are best for all and that mans works only leads to damnation and hellfire.
When the Hellfire comes it is only because man as abandoned God.
When man peddles mans works you are standing on thin ice.
Mans works are only Politically Correct and the 'Truth' does not abide from the concept of anything political, the substance of Political is not a wellspring of truth.

 

[Phoneman777]

I want your FALSE assertions to come from the Book of Revelation, where we KNOW the subject is at the end of the age, -- rather than something taken out of context, and applied to the incorrect era, circumstance, organization, etc.


Now, do you have anymore excuses?!? :)


Bobby Jo

Nothing false about Protestant Historicism. The four beasts of Daniel 7 are Babylon, MP, Greece, and Rome, with the Ten Horns being the Ten Barbarian nations which stood when the dust of the fallen Roman Empire settled...and the Little Horn is the PAPACY which arose among them and uprooted the Vandals, Heruli, and Ostrogoths.

The papacy went on to reign for 1,260 "days" (years via "day/year" principle) from 538 - 1798. It was "diverse" from the other horns in that it was both religious as well as political, it had a "man" at the head (Bishop of Rome), and "spake great things" against God, claiming to be equal with God and the power to forgive sin, and persecuted God's saints, received a "deadly wound" in 1798, which has been steadily healing as it is vastly becoming popular for "all the world wonders after the Beast".

The United States arose as the Second Beast as the papacy was going down from its deadly wound, and now stands as the world's last remaining superpower with a Military Industrial Complex that can bring any nation to its knees at a moment's notice. We are on the precipice of the Second Coming, and foolish Protestants are looking too far East for some mystical, mythological "Antichrist" to arise when the Antichrist has been around since the fall of Rome and is yet with us, ruling the world through various secret societies controlled ultimately by the Black Pope and his Jesuits.

But, you keep insisting that Jesuit Ribera and his 16th century "future Antichrist" idea is true, right?

Tell me, how is it that an organization that can't even get right the simplest, plainest, most easily understood truth of all - that God so loved the world that whosoever "believeth" shall be saved, not by works, but by the blood of Jesus alone - is somehow able to understand that which it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so due to the unbelievably intricate themes and symbols which make up Bible prophecy...without the help of the Holy Spirit? As redonkulous as claiming the guy who can't even spell "NASA" was the one who successfully piloted one of the Apollo missions.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... The four beasts of Daniel 7 are Babylon, MP, Greece, and Rome, with the Ten Horns being the Ten Barbarian nations which stood when the dust of the fallen Roman Empire settled...and the Little Horn is the PAPACY which arose among them and uprooted the Vandals, Heruli, and Ostrogoths. ...

I ask for Revelation and you give me Daniel. Fine. Daniel it is, and your assertions FALSE they are.

So to get to Daniel 7, you have to go through Daniel 2. So where you assign the presumed FOUR world empire of Daniel 2:

1. Gold, Babylon
2. Silver, Medo/Persia
3. Bronze, Greece
4.a. Iron, Rome
4.b. Clay, Revived Rome​

... to Daniel 7, -- pray tell the significance of the Intelligent Design found in Verse 45: Iron, Bronze, Clay Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE!

Now my first grade teacher insisted that FIVE ≠ FOUR. So other than GOD being distracted, confused, having made a mistake, etc., -- What is the Intelligent Design significance of Verse 45 FIVE?


Not holding my breath,
Bobby Jo

 

[Phoneman777]

I ask for Revelation and you give me Daniel. Fine. Daniel it is, and your assertions FALSE they are.

So to get to Daniel 7, you have to go through Daniel 2. So where you assign the presumed FOUR world empire of Daniel 2:

1. Gold, Babylon
2. Silver, Medo/Persia
3. Bronze, Greece
4.a. Iron, Rome
4.b. Clay, Revived Rome​

... to Daniel 7, -- pray tell the significance of the Intelligent Design found in Verse 45: Iron, Bronze, Clay Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE!

Now my first grade teacher insisted that FIVE ≠ FOUR. So other than GOD being distracted, confused, having made a mistake, etc., -- What is the Intelligent Design significance of Verse 45 FIVE?


Not holding my breath,
Bobby Jo

Sorry, but you keep getting them out of order to suit your wrong conclusion. It's Babylon, MP, Greece, Rome, Papacy, period. The angel agrees with me in saying there are only FOUR beasts, not five, right? "These great beasts, which are four..." Now, maybe you're using some sort of Common Core math, but I would suggest you listen to the angel in Scripture, not your own silly ideas. ;)

 

[Bobby Jo]

Sorry, but you keep getting them out of order to suit your wrong conclusion. It's Babylon, MP, Greece, Rome, Papacy, period. The angel agrees with me in saying there are only FOUR beasts, not five, right? "These great beasts, which are four..." Now, maybe you're using some sort of Common Core math, but I would suggest you listen to the angel in Scripture, not your own silly ideas. ;)

Are you reading from a Bible, or simply making stuff up?

Daniel 2:45 just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. ... = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE​

Now I completely understand your dishonesty is jumping PAST Chapter 2, but you can't arrive at Chapter 7 until you go through Chapter 2. And because Scripture doesn't contradict itself, BOTH must agree TOGETHER.


So where Scripture agrees with itself, you would THROW OUT Chapter 2 to present a FALSE "interpretation" for Chapter 7. And I'm quite certain that GOD will gladly throw out any portion of HIS Word that you don't like. -- OR -- Maybe HE isn't pleased with your dishonesty/disobedience/disregard/disrespect/etc. Pick one or all.


Choose "all", choose "ALL",
Bobby Jo

 

[brakelite]

Are you reading from a Bible, or simply making stuff up?

Daniel 2:45 just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. ... = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE​

Now I completely understand your dishonesty is jumping PAST Chapter 2, but you can't arrive at Chapter 7 until you go through Chapter 2. And because Scripture doesn't contradict itself, BOTH must agree TOGETHER.


So where Scripture agrees with itself, you would THROW OUT Chapter 2 to present a FALSE "interpretation" for Chapter 7. And I'm quite certain that GOD will gladly throw out any portion of HIS Word that you don't like. -- OR -- Maybe HE isn't pleased with your dishonesty/disobedience/disregard/disrespect/etc. Pick one or all.


Choose "all", choose "ALL",
Bobby Jo

You are taking five materials and assigning to them five different kingdoms. But the clay is not distinctly alone, nor does it ever suggest in prophecy that a fifth empire rules without the composite iron (Rome) with which it does not fully integrate, but without which it cannot exist. You assign to the clay, "revived Rome", without any Biblical basis for doing so. There is no gap in the statue between the thighs and the rest of its body...it is not a statue with amputated limbs...thus whatever power is designated by the clay/iron half-mix follows directly after pagan Rome and not a couple of thousand years later. Papal Rome...a mix of pagan Roman philosophy and an inherited infrastructure along with its throne and designated authority is the only entity not just in past history, but the only entity in all of history that can possibly fill that criteria. Certainly no future individual can possibly meet every criteria demanded of the Antichrist in scripture. For example...how can a future individual possibly oversee the demise of 3 of the barbarian nations (horns) that arose in the 6th century?

 

[Bobby Jo]

... the clay is not distinctly alone, ...

Dan. 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom​

Sounds to me like a KINGDOM. And if I were to consider world history approximate to 1948, I'd agree that we have THREE SUPERPOWERS and a United Nations.


Yep, looks like, sounds like and walks like a: DIVIDED KINGDOM.


And it turns out, because Rome was NEVER CONQUERED, our DIVIDED KINGDOM retains a residue of the Roman Republic IRON Senatus Populusque Romanus, “Senate and the Roman People,” which we call the House of Representatives and the Senate. IMAGINE THAT!

... and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands ...​

Whew,
Bobby Jo

 

[brakelite]

Dan. 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom​

Sounds to me like a KINGDOM. And if I were to consider world history approximate to 1948, I'd agree that we have THREE SUPERPOWERS and a United Nations.


Yep, looks like, sounds like and walks like a: DIVIDED KINGDOM.


And it turns out, because Rome was NEVER CONQUERED, our DIVIDED KINGDOM retains a residue of the Roman Republic IRON Senatus Populusque Romanus, “Senate and the Roman People,” which we call the House of Representatives and the Senate. IMAGINE THAT!

... and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands ...​

Whew,
Bobby Jo

You're not much of a listener are you.

 

[Bobby Jo]

You're not much of a listener are you.

Did you offer something worth listening to? All I heard was ROME, ROME, ROME, ROME.

Furthermore, you took a "revived Rome" 4a/4b FALSE DOCTRINE (in red because it's FALSE) and presumed it was REAL. ROME IS DEAD.

And to exacerbate your confusion, you didn't provide any evidence how your "Papal Rome" is a "DIVIDED KINGDOM".

But don't misunderstand me. I'm not against delusional people. I have compassion for those who need Institutionalization. :)


Bobby Jo

 

[quietthinker]

Did you offer something worth listening to? All I heard was ROME, ROME, ROME, ROME.

Furthermore, you took a "revived Rome" 4a/4b FALSE DOCTRINE (in red because it's FALSE) and presumed it was REAL. ROME IS DEAD.

And to exacerbate your confusion, you didn't provide any evidence how your "Papal Rome" is a "DIVIDED KINGDOM".

But don't misunderstand me. I'm not against delusional people. I have compassion for those who need Institutionalization. :)


Bobby Jo

BJ...the spirit you operate by is condescending and proud....quiet alien to that of Jesus. Have you wondered who your mentor is?

 

[Phoneman777]

Are you reading from a Bible, or simply making stuff up?

Daniel 2:45 just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. ... = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE​

Now I completely understand your dishonesty is jumping PAST Chapter 2, but you can't arrive at Chapter 7 until you go through Chapter 2. And because Scripture doesn't contradict itself, BOTH must agree TOGETHER.


So where Scripture agrees with itself, you would THROW OUT Chapter 2 to present a FALSE "interpretation" for Chapter 7. And I'm quite certain that GOD will gladly throw out any portion of HIS Word that you don't like. -- OR -- Maybe HE isn't pleased with your dishonesty/disobedience/disregard/disrespect/etc. Pick one or all.


Choose "all", choose "ALL",
Bobby Jo

Sorry, there are FOUR beasts. "These great beasts, which are four, are four KINGDOMS."

"Not one or two or three but four!!!" - Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg, FE

 

[brakelite]

1. Gold, Babylon
2. Silver, Medo/Persia
3. Bronze, Greece
4.a. Iron, Rome
4.b. Clay, Revived Rome

You didn't say the above was something you disagreed with...in your mind, a false doctrine. But why do you respond to PM with a false doctrine as if that were what he believed in? No-one here is talking about a revived Roman empire. Yes, the iron and clay is a divided kingdom...a composite kingdom incorporating facets of all the four beasts of Daniel (Revel. 13:1-3) which means you are incorrect in asserting that Rome is dead. It is not. By claiming it is dead you are revealing that you know precious little about the papacy...its politics, its religion, and its history.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Have you wondered who your mentor is?

TRUTH? Does Truth hurt your poor little ears? Would you like me to whisper sweet soothing lies to make your heart feel better. Here, lay your head on my shoulder and let me caress your hand. -- NOT.

GOD makes MEN. The world makes men into women. -- Looks like they've succeeded with you ...


Bobby Jo