Who is Jesus Christ?
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101G
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first thanks for the reply,
second, either you don't want to know, or you can't know. I don't know, but that's between you and God.
but one thing, I thank God that he allowed me to "KNOW"
so to me, the Godhead is no longer a mystery.
and by learning the "Diversity" of God in Flesh, it has open the scriptures in many other ways.
so if it's still a mystery to YOU, then it's a mystery to you.
be blessed in the Lord and I hope one day he open your eyes as well as your heart to understand this subject matter.
Every believer has knowledge of God and Christ. But God, and the Father, and Christ are a mystery that the believers acknowledge. (Col. 2:2) And in these, God, the Father, Christ, are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. (Col. 2:2) 'Hid' means we don't know everything about God, the Father, and Christ. Such knowledge we grow in.
The Scriptures you use, (Rom. 1:19-20) is only the bare basic knowledge that every human being has about God, even though he has not written revelation. And this knowledge renders him without excuse if he dies rejecting this God, for he knows God is there and the creation is a witness to His power and Godhead. Such knowledge does nothing to reveal the mystery of God.
Your so called basic understanding of God that every human has, leads you to deny the Trinity. Foolish.
Stranger
101G
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I wonder why people like a mystery so much?. usually if one goes to the end, the mystery is solved. the same apostle Paul said,
1 Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing".
HOLD IT, STOP THE PRESS, he understand "all mysteries". well that just put a sock in the notions that the Godhead is still a mystery. it will be a mystery to U if you still want it to be a mystery. but we need to get off milk, and digest some "Solid" food, .... MEAT of the Scriptures.
as said, just God to the end of the book and the MYSTERY is solved.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".
Many of Christian think that this is two separat persons standing side by side or across from each other, and one is handing the other something ... the Revelation? that's written in a book, (Rev Chapter 5 verse 1? maybe). ARE YOU KIDDING?. God is Spirit, Abstract, hence the reason why the Revelation is "signified".
do one really know what "sigified" means? "the meaning or idea expressed by a sign, as distinct from the physical form in which it is expressed.
so if one thinks that two person standing, and giving the other something..... physica is not understand the word of God.
let's give an example.
Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals".
who is sitting on the throne? the Lord Jesus of course. now this,
Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Notice it said the root of David, but is not the Lord Jesus the ROOT and the OFFSPRING, why not say the root and the offspring hath prevailed to open the book? seem reasonable don't it? well sorry to inform you this, it did. the ROOT is before David, the Spirit, and the offspring is after David. lets see the offspring also, Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth". HOLD IT, "stood" a Lamb? yes, signified as the resurrected Christ, the "offspring"
hold it again, is this two separate persons? of course not, because the root and the offspring is JESUS the christ, who is the FIRST and the LAST. but what gives here? the root is Spirit/abstract, and the offspring is flesh and bone/concrete.......
let's make it plain, shall we. the root and the offspring is the First and the Last, scripture,
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God".
ME here is a singular desigination, but that single person is the first "and" the last, "ANOTHER". but "ANOTHER" of his own self. listen,
Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and "with" the last; I am he".
the "I" here is "With", "with" the last but it's one person. and the last one,
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
WAIT, the First and "ALSO" the Last
and is not the one person Jesus is the First, "and, is "With" and "also" the last.
the same one who is, was, and is to come.....
the same one. in three Three Administrations or three Dispensation. listen, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. (STOP, the SAME Spirit).1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
Spirit, CREATOR, MAKER = "I AM", Revelation 1:4a "Which is", Genesis 1:1
Lord, REDEEMER, SAVIOUR "THAT", Revelation 1:4b "Which was", John 1:1
God, COMFORTER, MEDIATOR, "I AM", Revelation 1:4c "Which is to Come", Revelation 1:1
"I AM THAT I AM" is the "which is, which was, and which to come" ... the Lord JESUS.
conclusion, "WHO is Jesus Christ? ..... God almighty in diversified flesh. that's who he is.
PICJAG
101G
Concerning (Rev. 1:1), "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show his servants...." Pretty straight forward. God, Christ Who is God, and His servants. Why would the Son need this revelation from God the Father? If their is no Trinity, why is God revealing to Himself? He shouldn't have to reveal to Himself.
Concerning (1 Cor. 13:2), Paul is not saying that he has all knowledge and knows all mysteries. He is saying even if he had, and had not love, such knowledge would be unprofitable.
Concerning (1 Cor. 12:5-6), yes there is One Lord and One God. But that One God is three Persons. Yes, Jesus Christ is God, He is God the Son. The Trinity cannot be described as no one can fully understand it. You yourself acknowledged you do not know everything about God.
Stranger
Concerning (Rev. 1:1), "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show his servants...." Pretty straight forward. God, Christ Who is God, and His servants. Why would the Son need this revelation from God the Father? If their is no Trinity, why is God revealing to Himself? He shouldn't have to reveal to Himself.
Concerning (1 Cor. 13:2), Paul is not saying that he has all knowledge and knows all mysteries. He is saying even if he had, and had not love, such knowledge would be unprofitable.
Concerning (1 Cor. 12:5-6), yes there is One Lord and One God. But that One God is three Persons. Yes, Jesus Christ is God, He is God the Son. The Trinity cannot be described as no one can fully understand it. You yourself acknowledged you do not know everything about God.
Stranger
101G
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First thanks for the reply,
second, finally a good question, but no problems, as the Diversity in flesh he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself. and when resurrected he willed himself as the "Diversity" or the offspring not to know, let us explain.
the beauty of "diversity", or the "another" of oneself. the answer lay in the "will" of God. God have a "will", a plan. and it is clearly seen in the Godly principle of Matthew 6:3. listen, "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". question, how can one do something themselves without knowing about it?. your right hand, and left hand is a part of you. the answer is, because you "will" it not to be known. sound strange? NO, I have done it myself. when someone come to me in confidentiality, I will myself not to remember as to what have been said unto me, because I will not to remember it. Let’s see how God do it. scripture, Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more". see that? "and I (will), WILL, WILL, remember their sin no more". HOLD IT, how can almighty, all knowing God not remember? Answer, it's an act of the will. he wills "not" to remember. just as he said in Matthew 6:3b "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth", "let" is an act of the will. so how do all of this relates to our Lord's not knowing this REVELATION. answer, Revelation chapter 5. our Lord, Jesus is sitting on the throne. what happens? the Spirit, (the Father, the Holy Ghost, now in the resurrected body, Glorified, Per John 17:1), comes and takes the book out of his "RIGHT" hand, question? "which hand did he take the book out of?, the right hand". Remember Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". by the Father, (the Holy Spirit), taking the book out of his OWN "RIGHT" hand he, the Lord Jesus,/in the diversified state, wills not to KNOW this revelation, as with his return date. because the book in his "RIGHT" hand contains all the information of what's to come. so, only the Father, (the Holy Spirit), who has the book knows because the father took the book out of his "RIGHT" supportive scripture, Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only". my is ownership of "MY SPIRIT".
so, by our Lord being in flesh and bone, and as mediator, he fulfills the DAVIDIC PROPHECY, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". The until is written in the book that was in the Lord's right hand, with the seals unbroken. So the Lord Jesus statement is true, no one knows only he who took the book, and that’s the FATHER, meaning by an act of his "OWN" will he knows not. and it is the Father/the Holy Spirit HIS OWN Spirit who is now on earth, is making his enemy his footstool. just as we speak... (smile). see, you didn't have a clue about the "Godly principe" of the WILL did you. the Holy Spirit is making his enemies his footstool., right now.
Another mystery cleared up, by knowing diversity.
PICJAG
Nothing but smoke. Again, concerning (Rev. 1:1), why is God revealing to Himself? If He is One, then there is no need. Yes, (Matt. 24:36) is clear, only the Father knows. And the Son, Jesus, didn't know. But then the Father gave revelation to the Son and the Son in turn gave it to John in the book of (Revelation).
Pretty simple really.
Stranger
101G
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first thanks for the reply, second, .... U must didn't read my last post.
and you said, "But then the Father gave revelation to the Son and the Son in turn gave it to John in the book of (Revelation)".
you mean to tell me the Son didn't peek at the content of of the book? ... (smile) ..LOL.
I read it. Like I said, smoke.
The Son didn't have the revelation till the Father gave it to Him. Why does God reveal to Himself if He is only One Person. Foolish.
Stranger
101G
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from your answer you either didn't read the post or didn't comprehend it.
see if you had read the post you would have known that while diversified in flesh, he was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself. if you don't know what that means look it up.
and when he rose, it was his will not to know, hence the Revelation Chapter 5:1
see stranger this is why we have 22 chapter it's not just that simple... my God. oh well....
That's cute...'it was his will not to know'. How in the world can He will not to know without knowing what not to know? Ludicrous.
Stranger
CoreIssue
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God set aside divine powers and lived as a man as he was required to be the second Adam.
He also said only the father knows when the rapture will be in keeping with using the Jewish wedding customs as a model.
101G
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Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
well I quess your sins are still fresh in God memory.....
now that's Ludicrous, and I'm not speaking of the rapper........ Then how did Jesus confuse the religious leaders at age 12? How did He heal? How did He walk on water? etc. etc.
Jesus is never the 2nd Adam. He is the 2nd man, last Adam. (1 Cor. 15:45)
Chapter and verse? Was He talking about the Rapture or the Second coming?
Stranger
Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
well I quess your sins are still fresh in God memory.....
Your comparison fails. Concerning sin, God has removed it placing it upon Another. Thus concerning the believing in Israel or the Church, God can forgive and not remember their sin. Will God the Father, when He looks upon the scars that the Son still bears in His body from the crucifixion, say, where in the world did that come from? Ludicrous.
You have said Jesus willed to not know the revelation given to Him by the Father. Of course you don't see them as the Father and Son, you just see them as one person. Which has him playing games with himself. Jesus was clear concerning the events surrounding His return. He said, (Mark 13:32) "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
Did the angels unwill this knowledge? Of course not. Did any man unwill this knowledge? Of course not. Did the Son unwill this knowledge? Of course not. The Son didn't know, because the Father did not give it to Him to know. But the Father then revealed to Him, the Son, that which is contained in the book of (Revelation).
Stranger
Now that is really stupid, God set up His complete plan in the beginning, he already saw the end, a bit like say. "Oh God you are so silly, look you missed a bit, better go back to the drawing board".
101G
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first you fail to understand the act of God will.
as for sins, I believe you need to read
Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God".
Past sins when you come to Christ, now what about your future sins?, let's check the record,
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Just like I said, U failed to comprehend.
another ERROR on your Part. I believe them, and not "see" them, for we walk by FAITH, and NOT by "SIGHT".
first, Understand, Revelation is spiritual. if you think the Lord Jesus is actually, physically, setting on a wooden or whatever you percieve, throne in heaven, now that's ludacris, using your own word. :)
sitting symbolize, a. a work is finish. b. authority. not actually physically setting .... lol.
second, in revelation 1:1 he gave him the revelation to give to John, but in Chapter 5, before this, after his resurrection, and ascension, he God the Holy Spirit took the book, symbolizing the ACT of his own "WILL" not to know. remember it was sealed... my God how easy this is, when you know these things.
see stranger, I believe that Jesus in flesh is the "Diversity" of himself in fleshly form. now this is what I see, not by sight, but by FAITH. if the Lord Jesus would had open the book and peekek inside, then this would have happen off the chain, John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". by knowing the day and the hour, all these soothsayer, including you would do all you want and at 1 min before he come you repent.... ain't happening, so stay in the dark. don't you just love that word of God. God knows exactly what he's doing.
Neither did you... lol. only God. man this is too good.
see above... LOL.
see all the aboved.... lol. man oh man.
see all the above plust Post 286, which you didn't read, had you read the post you wouldn't be moronically asking these questions now ....
. man this is too easy.
101G
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first thanks for the reply, let's see if what you say is true.
question mjrhealth, "who sits on the throne? symbolic speaking,
is it the one whom you calls father, or the one whom whom you calls the son, who G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself while in flesh, your answer please.
CoreIssue
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Because being sinless he was one extremely smart kid.
Being devout the Holy Spirit work through him.
The Bible says the faith of a mustard seed we can move mountains. So walking on water is no big deal.
Being the second Adam and the second man is the same thing. Adam means man.
first you fail to understand the act of God will.
as for sins, I believe you need to read
Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God".
Past sins when you come to Christ, now what about your future sins?, let's check the record,
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Just like I said, U failed to comprehend.
another ERROR on your Part. I believe them, and not "see" them, for we walk by FAITH, and NOT by "SIGHT".
first, Understand, Revelation is spiritual. if you think the Lord Jesus is actually, physically, setting on a wooden or whatever you percieve, throne in heaven, now that's ludacris, using your own word. :)
sitting symbolize, a. a work is finish. b. authority. not actually physically setting .... lol.
second, in revelation 1:1 he gave him the revelation to give to John, but in Chapter 5, before this, after his resurrection, and ascension, he God the Holy Spirit took the book, symbolizing the ACT of his own "WILL" not to know. remember it was sealed... my God how easy this is, when you know these things.
see stranger, I believe that Jesus in flesh is the "Diversity" of himself in fleshly form. now this is what I see, not by sight, but by FAITH. if the Lord Jesus would had open the book and peekek inside, then this would have happen off the chain, John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". by knowing the day and the hour, all these soothsayer, including you would do all you want and at 1 min before he come you repent.... ain't happening, so stay in the dark. don't you just love that word of God. God knows exactly what he's doing.
Neither did you... lol. only God. man this is too good.
see above... LOL.
see all the aboved.... lol. man oh man.
see all the above plust Post 286, which you didn't read, had you read the post you wouldn't be moronically asking these questions now ....
Sorry, you fail to understand all that I have said. Go back and reread.
Yes, the glorified Jesus Christ, the God/Man is sitting on an actual throne in Heaven. And it is He who received the revelation from the Father.
Chapter 1 comes before chapter 5. Simple math.
As I said, the Son didn't know at one time because the Father did not give it to Him to know. But the Father later did give Him to know and we have that in the book of (Revelation) which the Son in turn gave to John.
Stranger
