Where/What Is Heaven

[Bob Estey]

Agree with all.

We certainly can't care about having those enemies.

If they're not our enemies, we're doing something very wrong.

Amen.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The Bible is over a thousand pages long and says lots of things. But when the Lord led me to repent of sins I was committing, my life was transformed. That is what I go by.

The Bible is God inspired word and yes the scriptures say lots of things but God doesn't influence people to ignore his word. Like 2 Timothy 3:16,17 which says, "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." Jesus tells us that the man of God lives by all of Gods word. So a man of God doesn't ignore the inspired word of God. God lets us know we must read and study his word and apply what we learn in our lives. So if anyone thinks lightly of reading and studying God word and applying it in their life, that person isn't going by what God says.

We need the whole Bible, because it's “inspired of God,” and we shouldn't ignore anything that God inspires. All of it is beneficial to seekers of everlasting life in happiness. It is just as the apostle Paul wrote saying: “For even Christ did not please himself; but just as it is written in Psalm 69:9: ‘The reproaches of those who were reproaching you have fallen upon me.’ For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.” (Rom. 15:3, 4) So when scriptures state things like, Jesus has a Father and God at John 20:17; and that its, knowing the True God and the one he sent forth Jesus Christ means eternal life at John 17:3 I don't ignore scriptures like these.
It is YHWH God who is the True God and who is the Father and God of Jesus Christ. It is Jesus Christ who is the Only Begotten Son of YHWH God, who YHWH God is working through today.

 

[EloyCraft]

A discussion about greatness in God's Kingdom compelled two disciples to ask to be at His side there.
Jesus told them " you don't know what you are asking for." That means what they want is not something they would ask for if they knew what it was.
Then He said " can you drink the cup I am about drink?" He tells them that the two on His right and left will drink the cup He is going to drink. This cup is His suffering and death on the cross.

He tells them it's not His cup to give to them . Like Himself their cup is from the Father.

Jesus reveals that the two on His right and left are the two crucified with Him.

That the Kingdom of God on earth is established on Golgotha.

Seeing Jesus suffer as only Jesus could, the good thief on His left asked Jesus " Remember me when you enter your Kingdom."

The thief was greater than the apostles because He drank the cup prepared for him by the Father.

In that same moment the Apostles we're running away the thief was suffering like Jesus with Jesus and wanted to be with Jesus forever.
Not for any self serving reason. He saw someone that truly is who He said He was. He just wanted to always be with his Lord and Savior. He is at Jesus' side from the point of entry into His Kingdom.

 

[Degas]

How can the verse you quoted, and the verses I quoted, both be true? (And they have to both be true.)

There are two different things: Heaven, which is a place we go to and which has different mansions, and the Kingdom of Heaven within us which is when we remain at peace despite life tribulations, as Jesus explains in Luke 6:47-48: "As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built".

 

[Bob Estey]

The Bible is God inspired word and yes the scriptures say lots of things but God doesn't influence people to ignore his word. Like 2 Timothy 3:16,17 which says, "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." Jesus tells us that the man of God lives by all of Gods word. So a man of God doesn't ignore the inspired word of God. God lets us know we must read and study his word and apply what we learn in our lives. So if anyone thinks lightly of reading and studying God word and applying it in their life, that person isn't going by what God says.

We need the whole Bible, because it's “inspired of God,” and we shouldn't ignore anything that God inspires. All of it is beneficial to seekers of everlasting life in happiness. It is just as the apostle Paul wrote saying: “For even Christ did not please himself; but just as it is written in Psalm 69:9: ‘The reproaches of those who were reproaching you have fallen upon me.’ For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.” (Rom. 15:3, 4) So when scriptures state things like, Jesus has a Father and God at John 20:17; and that its, knowing the True God and the one he sent forth Jesus Christ means eternal life at John 17:3 I don't ignore scriptures like these.
It is YHWH God who is the True God and who is the Father and God of Jesus Christ. It is Jesus Christ who is the Only Begotten Son of YHWH God, who YHWH God is working through today.

When the Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing, and my life was transformed, I discovered the verse, "Repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand." So how many people are willing to repent of their sin?

 

[Bob Estey]

There are two different things: Heaven, which is a place we go to and which has different mansions, and the Kingdom of Heaven within us which is when we remain at peace despite life tribulations, as Jesus explains in Luke 6:47-48: "As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built".

Jesus said, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 4:17)" I think one has to repent of their sin to understand this verse. Would you agree?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

When the Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing, and my life was transformed, I discovered the verse, "Repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand." So how many people are willing to repent of their sin?

I understand what the scriptures say about repenting of sins. Those who do truly repent however don't ignore the reading and studying of the scriptures. So when the scriptures say that the Only Begotten Son of God Jesus Christ has a Father and God at John 20:17 a servant of the True God doesn't ignore that, but instead exercises faith in that. When the scriptures say at John 17:3 that to get eternal life you must know the true God and the one he sent, Jesus Christ, you exercise faith in that.

 

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[Bob Estey]

I understand what the scriptures say about repenting of sins. Those who do truly repent however don't ignore the reading and studying of the scriptures. So when the scriptures say that the Only Begotten Son of God Jesus Christ has a Father and God at John 20:17 a servant of the True God doesn't ignore that, but instead exercises faith in that. When the scriptures say at John 17:3 that to get eternal life you must know the true God and the one he sent, Jesus Christ, you exercise faith in that.

I think obeying the commandments is a rather simple concept. That doesn't make it easy, but I think it's easy to understand.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I think obeying the commandments is a rather simple concept. That doesn't make it easy, but I think it's easy to understand.

I agree that what God inspired men to write down in the Bible, and those people(congreation) that have God's Holy Spirit and truly exercise faith in God and his arrangement of how he's going to undo everything Satan if done from the time of the rebellion in the Garden of Eden is reasonable and able to be understood.

 

[quietthinker]

Where/What Is Heaven
let me see, 0 deg. latitude, 0 deg. longitude ??
a happy manufacturing facility??

 

[Degas]

Jesus said, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 4:17)" I think one has to repent of their sin to understand this verse. Would you agree?

You asked a question to which I gave a pretty good answer and you simply ignored my answer and you asked another -- totally irrelevant -- question. Is this how you are looking for the truth? You see, I too have a question for you, and this one is relevant: if you are only going to acknowledge answers which fit into your beliefs, why do you ask questions? To show how smart you are? Then what don't you answer your own question and tell us

what or where is heaven?

 

[Bob Estey]

You asked a question to which I gave a pretty good answer and you simply ignored my answer and you asked another -- totally irrelevant -- question. Is this how you are looking for the truth? You see, I too have a question for you, and this one is relevant: if you are only going to acknowledge answers which fit into your beliefs, why do you ask questions? To show how smart you are? Then what don't you answer your own question and tell us

I think you are splitting hairs when you say heaven and the kingdom of heaven are two different things. I think heaven and the kingdom of heaven are the peace you get when you repent of your sin. What does it matter where you are if you have no peace?

 

[Degas]

I think you are splitting hairs when you say heaven and the kingdom of heaven are two different things. I think heaven and the kingdom of heaven are the peace you get when you repent of your sin. What does it matter where you are if you have no peace?

If you think what you think about Heaven prevails over the testimony of someone to who has been there, who met God then Jesus there and to whom, 20 years later, Jesus appeared requesting him to witness then, by all means, be my guest and keep thinking, you'll see if that takes you to what you think you know.

Plus it is very interesting how, after asking a question then not acknowledging my testimony even though you knew it was based on a direct experience, then being challenged to answer your own question, you have not only proven to be utterly unable to answer your own question but you even ended up questioning the very interest of asking this question in the first place:

what or where is heaven?

What does it matter where you are if you have no peace?

For someone who thinks so highly of thinking and who had all the time he wanted to think about it, you do seem to think that well.

 

[Bob Estey]

If you think what you think about Heaven prevails over the testimony of someone to who has been there, who met God then Jesus there and to whom, 20 years later, Jesus appeared requesting him to witness then, by all means, be my guest and keep thinking, you'll see if that takes you to what you think you know.

Plus it is very interesting how, after asking a question then not acknowledging my testimony even though you knew it was based on a direct experience, then being challenged to answer your own question, you have not only proven to be utterly unable to answer your own question but you even ended up questioning the very interest of asking this question in the first place:


For someone who thinks so highly of thinking and who had all the time he wanted to think about it, you do seem to think that well.

You talk about direct experience. When the Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing, my life was transformed. That is direct experience.

Jesus said it: "Repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 4:17.) And so I have to believe that anyone who repents of their sin will experience the same transformation - the same peace - as I have experienced.

But it is impossible to understand until we repent of our sin.

 

[Degas]

You talk about direct experience. When the Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing, my life was transformed. That is direct experience.

Oh, sorry, I had no idea. Then, yes, of course, you know Heaven, God and Jesus' teachings better than I do.

 

[Bob Estey]

Oh, sorry, I had no idea. Then, yes, of course, you know Heaven, God and Jesus' teachings better than I do.

I suspect you know things I don't know, and I know things you don't know. People can learn from each other.

 

[Degas]

I suspect you know things I don't know, and I know things you don't know. People can learn from each other.

I learn from Jesus himself and I have nothing to learn from you except how arrogant you are. I am calling Matthew 10:11-14 on you. Have fun learning from the blind without falling into a pit.

 

[Ziggy]

Jhn 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jhn 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Jhn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jhn 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Jhn 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hugs

 

[Bob Estey]

I learn from Jesus himself and I have nothing to learn from you except how arrogant you are. I am calling Matthew 10:11-14 on you. Have fun learning from the blind without falling into a pit.

Yes, I try to be in constant prayer, as Paul instructed (1 Thessalonians 5:17), and learn as much as I can from him.