Where was Jesus between his death and resurrection?

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Its what the Bible teaches….”the body of Christ” is a singular entity, made up of many individuals.
And Paul was addressing people that God would bless their body and soul and spirit. not some corporate entity we call the church.
Now, are you not playing with words? All the original Christians were Jewish and were taken out of that apostate religious system and placed in a completely different pen, by “the Fine Shepherd” who taught them God’s truth, not the twisted nonsense that they had been fed for centuries by those who promoted themselves and their teachings as truth. (Matt 15:7-9)

The Christians had to separate from that disunited crowd of misled people and come into a new arrangement….one that Jesus and his apostles established. Why? Because the the Jewish system was so far gone, that Jesus was sent “only to the lost sheep”….not to their incorrigible leaders.
Those educated at the Rabbinical Schools were at a decided disadvantage, not only being indoctrinated themselves, but passing on that false indoctrination to others…..Christendom is a mirror image.

Well Christianity os the fulfi9llment of the Old TEstament Scripture and truth. And when Jesus spoke of sheep in another flock to be one flock He was refferring as Paul wrote:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Jesus was referring to Jew and Gentile becoming one body, not the heretical concept of the watchtower of the 144,000 and all the rest.
What my brothers did was to reintroduce what original Christianity taught….NOT what the “weeds” of Christendom turned it into. Jesus parable of the “wheat and the weeds” made it clear that the devil would corrupt “Christianity” just as successfully as he had corrupted Judaism. Are you a victim?
Is what YOU believe, the same as what Jesus actually taught…..or is it too, a twisted interpretation of the original Scriptures?

Remembering that Jesus was Jewish, makes sure that the OT Scriptures do not get lost on us, thousands of years removed from the originals. The devil has had ample time to guide people into his web of lies…..and sadly it is the majority who are misled, because deception is more attractive than the cold hard facts of truth.….a slap in the face to many.
Wrong again. they have no evidence other than their own we3ords that what they teach is the truth. what they do teach is an offshoot of Origen and Arius.

I believe as the bible teaches so I believe what Jesus"actually " taught! It is easy to accuse people of making a twisted interpretation, but quite another and far more difficult mattter to prove it.

But from the Watchtowers own words I can show them lying over and over and over and over again. Teh two invisible returns of Jesus,
The 144,000 beginning in 1914, the 7 times Armageddon was to occur, how they celebrated Christmas and encouraged people to buy Watchtower materials to give as gifts, blood transfusions were okay, and the most damning of all---that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead or isreturning to earth physically in the glorified body all true believers will receive!

The Watchtower is like so many other cults.

Mormons
David Koresh
Jim Jones
Father Divine
Ellen White
The way
Moses David and the COG
Forever Family et al.

all proclaim they recovered teh true teachings and that they are the way. so the Watchtower is just one of many cults that have proclaimed they recovered the truth and are the one true religion on earth.
 
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Well if Genesis 2:7 was the only verse on the subject you would be right. However teh bible has much more evidence and man is comprised of body (the physical form) soul (the immaterial part that rationalizes, thinks, emotes etc.) and the spirit(which is dead in the unsaved but made alive in believers)
We learn, every day-right @Ronald Nolette?


Your distinction between the soul, body, and spirit reflects a classical Christian understanding of trichotomy—the view that human beings consist of three distinct parts: body, soul, and spirit. However, others advocate for a dichotomous view, where humanity is composed of two essential elements: body and soul/spirit (with the latter terms often used interchangeably).

Genesis 2:7 and the Hebrew word for "Soul"
The key verse for understanding humanity’s creation is Genesis 2:7:

"Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being" (Lexham Bible Translation).

The Hebrew term used for "living being" (or "living soul") is נֶפֶשׁ חַיָּה (nephesh chayyah). Let's break this down:

נֶפֶשׁ (nephesh): This word is commonly translated as "soul," but it has a much broader meaning in Hebrew than our modern English understanding of the word. It refers to a living, breathing being, often denoting the whole person rather than just an immaterial part. In Hebrew thought, nephesh is the principle of life or vitality. It can also refer to life, the self, desire, and emotions. So, when Genesis 2:7 says that Adam became a "living soul," it refers to Adam becoming a whole, living person, not just a soul in the sense of an immaterial essence.

חַיָּה (chayyah): This means "living," indicating that Adam was now a living, animated being with both material (body) and immaterial (life breath) components.

Thus, the Hebrew suggests that man is a soul (a living being), not merely that he has a soul, in the sense that nephesh refers to the entire person, not just one aspect of him. In the Hebrew worldview, there was a more holistic sense of humanity, where body, soul, and spirit were intricately connected.

2. Greek Understanding: Psyche and Pneuma
In the New Testament, written in Greek, we encounter the terms ψυχή (psyche) for "soul" and πνεῦμα (pneuma) for "spirit."

ψυχή (psyche): This term is often translated as "soul" or "life." Like nephesh in Hebrew, psyche carries the meaning of the animating principle of life—the part of a human that feels, desires, and thinks. In some passages, it refers to the whole person (e.g., Matthew 16:26: "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul?"). It is often used in a similar way to nephesh in the Old Testament, referring not only to the immaterial aspect but to the entire living person.

πνεῦμα (pneuma): This word means "spirit" and refers to the immaterial part of a person that can relate to God and be quickened or made alive in the believer. The pneuma is often seen as distinct from the soul in that it is the breath of life from God, the part of us that connects with the divine (Romans 8:10: "But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness").

Thus, in the New Testament, man can be said to have both soul and spirit, but these two aspects are not entirely synonymous. The soul (psyche) is the seat of emotions and thoughts, while the spirit (pneuma) is the life-giving connection to God, which is regenerated in salvation.

Morphology and Usage: Nephesh, Psyche, and Pneuma
Hebrew: נֶפֶשׁ (Nephesh)
Root: נ־פ־ש (n-p-sh)
Primary meanings: soul, life, person, being, self, desires

Common usage: Refers to both the living being and the immaterial aspects of a person (Genesis 1:20, where creatures are also described as having nephesh).
Greek: ψυχή (Psyche)
Root: ψύχω (psycho, "to breathe")

Primary meanings: soul, life, mind, heart
Common usage: Refers to life, emotions, thoughts, and personal identity, but also the immaterial aspect that can be saved or lost (Matthew 10:28).
Greek: πνεῦμα (Pneuma)
Root: πνέω (pneo, "to breathe, blow")

Primary meanings: spirit, breath, wind
Common usage: Refers to the immaterial, divine aspect of a person, often associated with God’s breath of life and the Holy Spirit’s work in believers (John 3:6, Romans 8:16).
Expanding on Body, Soul, and Spirit
Your point that man is comprised of body, soul, and spirit is supported by key biblical texts, especially from the New Testament, where these distinctions are more apparent:

1 Thessalonians 5:23: "Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit (πνεῦμα), soul (ψυχή), and body (σῶμα) be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

In this passage, Paul clearly differentiates between body (soma), soul (psyche), and spirit (pneuma), suggesting a trichotomous view of man, with each part contributing to the whole person.

Hebrews 4:12: "For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

This text clearly shows the distinction between soul and spirit, indicating that these are separate but deeply interconnected elements of human existence.

Ephesians 2:1-5: Paul describes the spirit of the unsaved as "dead in trespasses and sins," and contrasts this with being "made alive together with Christ." The spirit here refers to the inner person that is spiritually dead apart from salvation but regenerated through Christ.

So-

While Genesis 2:7 emphasizes that man became a "living soul" (a holistic being composed of both body and the divine breath of life), later biblical texts and Greek distinctions between psyche (soul) and pneuma (spirit) clarify that man is composed of both an immaterial aspect (soul/spirit) and a material body. The trichotomous view you mention-body, soul, and spirit-has strong biblical support, particularly in passages like 1 Thessalonians 5:23. The spirit, dead in the unsaved, is made alive in believers, while the soul encompasses the rational, emotional, and volitional aspects of a person.

Thus, in biblical languages and morphology, both soul and spirit are integral to human existence, with the spirit uniquely connecting humanity to God.

But we are still a nephesh, indissolubly echad with the pneuma.

J.
 
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And Paul was addressing people that God would bless their body and soul and spirit. not some corporate entity we call the church.


Well Christianity os the fulfi9llment of the Old TEstament Scripture and truth. And when Jesus spoke of sheep in another flock to be one flock He was refferring as Paul wrote:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Jesus was referring to Jew and Gentile becoming one body, not the heretical concept of the watchtower of the 144,000 and all the rest.

Wrong again. they have no evidence other than their own we3ords that what they teach is the truth. what they do teach is an offshoot of Origen and Arius.

I believe as the bible teaches so I believe what Jesus"actually " taught! It is easy to accuse people of making a twisted interpretation, but quite another and far more difficult mattter to prove it.

But from the Watchtowers own words I can show them lying over and over and over and over again. Teh two invisible returns of Jesus,
The 144,000 beginning in 1914, the 7 times Armageddon was to occur, how they celebrated Christmas and encouraged people to buy Watchtower materials to give as gifts, blood transfusions were okay, and the most damning of all---that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead or isreturning to earth physically in the glorified body all true believers will receive!

The Watchtower is like so many other cults.

Mormons
David Koresh
Jim Jones
Father Divine
Ellen White
The way
Moses David and the COG
Forever Family et al.

all proclaim they recovered teh true teachings and that they are the way. so the Watchtower is just one of many cults that have proclaimed they recovered the truth and are the one true religion on earth.
I believe we're called to show love, not to condemn others or label them as "cultic," questioning their salvation when we should be focusing on working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Some members here are crossing a line by using ad hominems against others, who are created in the Imago Dei of YHVH and the Messiah.

Yes @Ronald Nolette?

J.
 

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I believe we're called to show love, not to condemn others or label them as "cultic," questioning their salvation when we should be focusing on working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Some members here are crossing a line by using ad hominems against others, who are created in the Imago Dei of YHVH and the Messiah.

Yes @Ronald Nolette?

J.
What did Jesus condemn , label, the Pharisees?
 

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Greek Understanding: Psyche and Pneuma
In the New Testament, written in Greek, we encounter the terms ψυχή (psyche) for "soul" and πνεῦμα (pneuma) for "spirit."
These are good points Johann….
This is where unbiased research comes into play……whilst we might like to hang on to our chosen beliefs concerning these aspects of being human, what does our everyday speech confirm about the ancient usage of these words even in our own language?

When we see the Greek written, using the English alphabet, what do we recognize about the words that is familiar to us?
”Psyche” is seen in our English language, incorporated in words such as “psychiatry”….”psychology”…. “psychoanalysis“….”psychotherapy”……all these words pertain to the mind, the emotions and personality of human beings. This is what makes humans, “souls”….it is the entire person who can only experience life whilst they draw breath (spirit).

”Pneuma” OTOH, is a word we associate with breathing or air…..
”Pneumatic”….”pneumonia”….”pneumonic”….”pneumothorax”….

This is a confirmation that these words have been hijacked to promote and support a doctrine that is entirely absent from Scripture……the belief that we HAVE a “soul”…..not that we ARE a “soul”.

And that the “spirit” in us, is some shadowy thing that leaves our body at death, to go to some other place.
The spirit in us is “the breath of life” that is passed on at birth…the God-given component that makes us humans, “alive”.

Without breath, we are a dead body.….and the only prospect held out to us in Scripture (to live again when we stop breathing) is “resurrection”….which is a return to life, not a continuation of it (John 5:28-29)…..it never was about immortal souls. There is nothing inherent in us mortal creatures that lives on, despite the universality of that belief in all forms of false worship….it is nothing more than the perpetuation of the first lie that the devil told Eve…..”you surely will not die”….and he still has the world alienated from the true God, believing it.

Solomon wrote at Eccl 12:7….. “Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.”

Given the correct understanding of these words, we see how the Bible has been manipulated to promote false teachings. The physical part of us dies and “returns to the dust”, just as God told Adam. (Gen 3:19)
The “spirit” that returns to God however, is the one he gave us at birth…”the breath (spirit) of life” returns to God, in that he is the only one who can give it back to us at the time we are resurrected….to resume the life that God originally intended for us to live forever, here on a beautiful paradise earth.

This hope will yet be realized, as Revelation 21:2-4 confirms….
”I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

What God starts….he finishes. (Isa 55:11) God’s original purpose was derailed temporarily by the abuse of free will, but his purpose for humanity never changed……he made sure that redemption was possible through the sacrifice of his precious son. But in allowing the devil and the humans he could influence to prove themselves worthy or unworthy of the life he gave them, he used the rebellion as a means of testing our mettle. Sadly, “few” will pass the test. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)

John 3:16….
”For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed (perish) but have everlasting life.”

There is no “heaven or hell” scenario in that well known Scripture….there is only everlasting life, or everlasting death….why would God want to torture souls in flames forever in a place that does not even exist?

Only the devil could invent such a despicable scenario….and graft it into ambiguous Scripture. Only those who do not know “the only true God” will fall for it. (John 17:3)
 
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These are good points Johann….
This is where unbiased research comes into play……whilst we might like to hang on to our chosen beliefs concerning these aspects of being human, what does our everyday speech confirm about the ancient usage of these words even in our own language?

When we see the Greek written, using the English alphabet, what do we recognize about the words that is familiar to us?
”Psyche” is seen in our English language, incorporated in words such as “psychiatry”….”psychology”…. “psychoanalysis“….”psychotherapy”……all these words pertain to the mind, the emotions and personality of human beings. This is what makes humans, “souls”….it is the entire person who can only experience life whilst they draw breath (spirit).

”Pneuma” OTOH, is a word we associate with breathing or air…..
”Pneumatic”….”pneumonia”….”pneumonic”….”pneumothorax”….

This is a confirmation that these words have been hijacked to promote and support a doctrine that is entirely absent from Scripture……the belief that we HAVE a “soul”…..not that we ARE a “soul”.

And that the “spirit” in us, is some shadowy thing that leaves our body at death, to go to some other place.
The spirit in us is “the breath of life” that is passed on at birth…the God-given component that makes us humans, “alive”.

Without breath, we are a dead body.….and the only prospect held out to us in Scripture (to live again when we stop breathing) is “resurrection”….which is a return to life, not a continuation of it (John 5:28-29)…..it never was about immortal souls. There is nothing inherent in us mortal creatures that lives on, despite the universality of that belief in all forms of false worship….it is nothing more than the perpetuation of the first lie that the devil told Eve…..”you surely will not die”….and he still has the world alienated from the true God, believing it.

Solomon wrote at Eccl 12:7….. “Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.”

Given the correct understanding of these words, we see how the Bible has been manipulated to promote false teachings. The physical part of us dies and “returns to the dust”, just as God told Adam. (Gen 3:19)
The “spirit” that returns to God however, is the one he gave us at birth…”the breath (spirit) of life” returns to God, in that he is the only one who can give it back to us at the time we are resurrected….to resume the life that God originally intended for us to live forever, here on a beautiful paradise earth.

This hope will yet be realized, as Revelation 21:2-4 confirms….
”I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

What God starts….he finishes. (Isa 55:11) God’s original purpose was derailed temporarily by the abuse of free will, but his purpose for humanity never changed……he made sure that redemption was possible through the sacrifice of his precious son. But in allowing the devil and the humans he could influence to prove themselves worthy or unworthy of the life he gave them, he used the rebellion as a means of testing our mettle. Sadly, “few” will pass the test. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)

John 3:16….
”For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed (perish) but have everlasting life.”

There is no “heaven or hell” scenario in that well known Scripture….there is only everlasting life, or everlasting death….why would God want to torture souls in flames forever in a place that does not even exist?

Only the devil could invent such a despicable scenario….and graft it into ambiguous Scripture. Only those who do not know “the only true God” will fall for it. (John 17:3)
Know what I love about you @Aunty Jane?
Your meek spirit, gentle and loving.

Shalom to you and family.
Johann.
 

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Know what I love about you @Aunty Jane?
Your meek spirit, gentle and loving.

Shalom to you and family.
Johann.
Thank you J…..may Jehovah reward your efforts to find him…..

”The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things. 26 And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell, 27 so that they would seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us. 28 For by him we have life and move and exist, even as some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his children.’” (Acts 17:24-28)
 
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Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Babies don't burn in Hell but those who say babies burn in Hell will!
Read again posts #7, #9, #11.

To God Be The Glory