Where is the Lake of Fire?

[Behold]

It seems to me that you have an agenda.

Everyone on a christian forum has an agenda.

I wrote a detailed Thread about this and one of the Mods was offended and actually deleted it, vs, just locking it.

You have an agenda every time you post a Thread.

The first Video you ever posted was trying to sell Preterism....

So do I, have an agenda, ?

My Agenda is 4-fold.

1.) "Spotlight Heretics", for the benefit of the other members, so that they are not deceived by them.

2.) Lift up Jesus.....

3.) "preach the Cross",

4.) and teach Paul's Doctrine..

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Behold,

If you say so. I like hearing people's perspectives, right or wrong. I guess I am a Heretic. It's a diverse opinion. I don't go around trying to harass people though. Bordering the lines of harassment, in my opinion, is not good. Even if it is just good ol' bible sharing. That's called Bible bashing.

 

[MatthewG]

 

[MatthewG]

Location of the Lake of Fire?

Revelation 14:9-13
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

 

[Behold]

I guess I am a Heretic.

It seems that you are a person who.... at whatever point you are in time, is what you believe at that time.

Have you heard the NT term "Double Minded"..

Well, in my line of work, i meet a lot of double minded believers.

They sound like this..

"well, before i was a calvinist, i was a baptist, and before that, i was a preterist, and then i became a Lordship salvation person, until i tried gnosticism for a while.. but, .. once i found the Virgin Mary, i felt complete... i think".

= "Double Minded".

I don't go around trying to harass people though.

Im the same.

What i do is respond, and it can be the case that this does not agree with something that someone is trying to teach, that isn't true.
So, in that case, they feel violated, ... singled out, and want to whine.

Im use to it... and in some cases, they thank me later.

Bordering the lines of harassment, in my opinion, is not good.

Then dont do that ..

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Behold,

I won't respond to you anymore. Thank you for your repeated statements, and for harassing me in this thread. I love you! I wish the best for you friend. I don't believe this is how the holy spirit interacts with other human beings. I am done with the back and forth.

 

[Behold]

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

 

[Behold]

Hello @Behold,

I won't respond to you anymore. Thank you for your repeated statements, and for harassing me in this thread. I love you! I wish the best for you friend.

We can't be "friends" if you wont be honest.

 

[MatthewG]

If there are any other people who would like to comment on this thread please feel free to do so. I would like to hear other people's thoughts and opinions concerning the topic matter. There are individuals on this website forum that I have to simply place on ignore due to the constant berating. That is why the feature is there for you, and your benefit.

 

[Behold]

There are individuals on this website forum that I have to simply place on ignore due to the constant berating. That is why the feature is there for you, and your benefit.

Redundant.

 

[Behold]

So, where is the Lake of Fire...

A,) God knows, and the Bible is not making this data available, currently.

Students of the NT know that Hell ends up there.. so, that suggests that the LOFire is related to that area.

There is a way for a person to find out where it is, literally, and that is related to ending up at the Rev 20:11 situation.

Dont do it, as there is no way back.

 

[Skovand]

Where is the Lake of Fire?​

Our Earth will become it until all is consumed. Every trace of sin will vanish in its flames. It will then be recreated.

There is some biblical arguments that recreated is actually better understood as restored. Same earth, same heavens, restored. Though what exactly restoration means several things .

 

[Skovand]

As for my opinion on the questions posed by Matthew I don’t think hell is a place. I think that the lake of fire is the symbolism used to describe the process of the second death. Which is conditional immortality. But I also think there is a strong argument for universalism and that the symbolism of the second death comes with the assumption of restoration through the work Christ did for all of creation. When I have time I’ll study out universalism vs conditional immortality in depth but it’s a few years away.

 

[quietthinker]

There is some biblical arguments that recreated is actually better understood as restored. Same earth, same heavens, restored. Though what exactly restoration means several things .

'restoration' or 'recreation' is described in Rev. 21 and 22 in metaphor. It behooves us to 'get' the metaphors so that we don't spin off.

 

[quietthinker]

Redundant.

arrogance?......definitely not inclusive!

 

[Behold]

arrogance?......definitely not inclusive!

Im very inclusive. @quietthinker .
And i liked your previous alt "photo" better....

So, anyway...
Ive never put anyone on Ignore, in all the years ive been on Forums.
Not one person...

....i recognize... that if im posting Paul's theology, and the Devil is alive, and many on forums are not clued in, regarding the Scriptures... and yet they want to teach them, and fight with the valid teachers... then all of that working together, is not always going to post love letters in my direction, each day im here.
But im not going to avoid it, as i sighed up for it....... just like everyone else.

Now, i have had to work with a Mod to deal with a nut bar...on this forum...

What is that one?
That is a person who can't understand any verses, and has a broken "circular reasoning" mentality, and they have a pet peeve, heresy, and they have 5 obo verses that they post, over and over and over, as if they are kinda crazy.. because they are..
And sometimes, one of those becomes very sensitized to me.. and they will follow me to every Thread, like a little hateful puppy, and just keep reposting their crazy argument as their same verses over and over........no matter the Thread or the Topic of The Thread.
So, i try to get them to stop.. but, after say, 2 months of this.....every day.....its time to meet the MOD and get this resolved.

When i first came here, one of these, was chasing me around... day to day... all day........

"you are a gnostic"
"you are a gnostic"
"Gnostic, gnostic" ........>>"Gnostic".. You are teaching Gnosticism.. """

So, the first day, i asked them.. ""Can you define a Gnostic." and they could not.

Therefore, i defined one for them... and it didnt help them to understand.
So this person... is mentally "out to lunch" on steroids.. .and that one also had to be helped to understand what not to do.

They are still here, and by the 2nd year, they now ask me questions and even offer a little respect

Such is a forum. when im on it.

 

[quietthinker]

Im very inclusive. @quietthinker .
And i liked your previous alt "photo" better....

So, anyway...
Ive never put anyone on Ignore, in all the years ive been on Forums.
Not one person...

....i recognize... that if im posting theology, and the Devil is alive, and many on forums are not clued in, regarding the Scriptures... and yet they want to teach them, and fight with the valid teachers... then all of that working together, is not always going to post love letters in my direction, each day im here.
But im not going to avoid it, as i sighed up for it....... just like everyone else.

Now, i have had to work with a Mod to deal with a nut bar...on this forum...

What is that one?
That is a person who can't understand any verses, and has a broken "circular reasoning" mentality, and they have a pet peeve, heresy, and they have 5 verses that they post, over and over and over, as if they are kinda crazy.. because they are..
And sometimes, one of those becomes very sensitized to me.. and they will follow me to every Thread, like a little hateful puppy, and just keep reposting their crazy argument........no matter the Thread or the Topic of The Thread.
So, i try to get them to stop.. but, after say, 2 months of this.....every day.....its time to meet the MOD and get this resolved.

When i first came here, one of these, was chasing me around... day to day... all day........

"you are a gnostic"
"your are a gnostic"
"Gnostic, gnostic"

So, the first day, i asked them.. ""Can you define a Gnostic."

So i defined one for them... and it didnt help them to understand.

They could not.
So, that is a "nut bar".. that is a "out to lunch" on steroids.. .and that one also had to be helped to understand what not to do.

They are still here, and by the 2nd year, they now ask me questions and even offer a little respect

Such is a forum. when im on it.

are you aware that your words and your attention is focused on yourself?

 

[quietthinker]

Are you aware that if you are accusing, me, then i get to talk about me, as a response.
That's how it works.

If you want to talk about the Bible, or Jesus, or Calvinism, or The Book of Esther, or "entropy" or "the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics'.. or your favorite Rock Group.. or audiophile headphones or high end camera, coming out in '2025... i can talk about all that with you. @quietthinker
But when you post your usual falsly accusing dumb sarcastic nonsense to me... about me, then i get to talk about me.

So, you get to decide where our conversation will end up., as does anyone who posts to me.

Pick a topic.........i have a lot of knowledge, and not just regarding : Paul's Theology, but that is my "bread and butter" that is my "Home base".. my everything, because i can't be the real deal, without it.......Noone can who claims to be called into a Ministry.

You talk about your opinion incessantly Behold, and by implication that means you are talking about yourself.....labelling it 'rightly dividing'

In my view, that is the thrust of one of many counterfeit gospels, ie self focus. It speaks piously but rings hollow.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Who is looking for the Lake of Fire ? literally ? Such a one would be carnal in fact !

The Lake of Fire is an expession spiritual wise, regarding ones Soul !

Now if you missed the boat ? you are stuck their in fact !

Now as to why the Fire ? well you are in hot water lets say ! not the best would it ?

Now regarding the situation regarding your loss of ones Life ? like who were you serving ? yourself as a foolish lost idiot ? as a curse on not only yourself but on all around you in fact ! you have been nothing but a pain !
Not to mention God does not hold you in his hand, one could say as one worthy of such.

So when one dies in the flesh the Soul is not with God ! because it never bothered, it was on it's own path in fact and from that point of death one has missed the boat ! it's done ! and the Soul will look and see that it was lost ! and was only a curse in fact and that is when it is driven home ? like as in that, I made a botch of my Life !!! I wish that i could of been with God ! But you were not !!!
It's the hot house hotel for ones Soul then for ever because you rejected God in fact and did it your way !

Remember that idiot Song, I did it my way ! well that is satanic in fact ! such is a song for a bastard. they are thumbing their nose at God !

In the Bible it points out People who were bastards but they made the turnaround ? regardless when in their life ! but they did make that call, they knew God and were Saved for they strive to surve God !
Now a bastard can have quality that others do not have, that depth of undersandings, but because one knows understands such issues they are better to deal with such things, that's their calling on could say in a way, but more of a handle on such things ? So that is all in parcel of life.
But Jesus said that he came, so that one could have life in abundance ! that is the Key ! but it's a Spiritual understanding that gives all such, but carnal man can not see such ? so the carnal thinks it's all about his wants and ego being stroked ! Fact is it has nothing at all to do with such as that in fact !
The Carnal wants things ! that's what they seek, look see one says, that's my proof ! But the Holy Spirit is not like that at all, for one is content in who they truly are ? for they are at Home in the Lord Jesus and come what may, they will deal with it abiding in Christ Jesus for they know carnal people are truly coming from ! for the Lost is not hard to understand ! They may be a missertory bag tho as to where they are at ? but nonthe less Carnal ! maybe even carnal religious load of hogwash, but carnal just the same. Lost !

But gee one who made it to Heaven ? I am so happy, that i am not fooled into This World that is Full of Deceptions and Delusions ! for Bible points out that is the Lost ! for they can not enter into the Kingdom of God ! for they do not measure up, for they are a curse ! and nothing cursed can enter into the Kingdom of God in fact !

 

[3 Resurrections]

Location of the Lake of Fire?

Revelation 14:9-13
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

If there are any other people who would like to comment on this thread please feel free to do so. I would like to hear other people's thoughts and opinions concerning the topic matter.

I'll throw in my two cents' worth. You are quite right to put special emphasis upon the phrase "They will be tormented with burning sulfur IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS AND OF THE LAMB." If I'm not mistaken, the Greek term for this indicates "before the face of" or "in the eyesight of". That means this torment is being experienced with Christ and the holy angels RIGHT THERE in front of those being tormented in that Lake of Fire.

The "Lake of Fire" was located in the city of Jerusalem. John defines the "Lake of Fire" as being the same thing as "the second death" (Rev. 17:14). It was the second time that both Death and Hell (Hades - meaning the grave) would come to overwhelm Jerusalem and its inhabitants.

Jerusalem's first death took place under the Babylonian invasion in 586 BC. The overconfident religious rulers of the people in Jerusalem were saying, "We have made a covenant with Death, and with Hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us..." (Isaiah 28:15). God warned these cocky leaders of Jerusalem, "Your covenant with Death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with Hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it." (Isaiah 28:18). Jerusalem died when it and the temple were burned, and the surviving prisoners in Jerusalem were sent into captivity by the Babylonians. Death and Hell (Hades - the grave) overcame them, just as Isaiah had predicted.

And it was exactly the same thing in the AD 66-70 years. Jerusalem and the temple died again for a second time and were burned up, and the surviving prisoners in Jerusalem sent into captivity in AD 70. Death and Hell (Hades - the grave) were again thrown into the city for a second time to plague its besieged inhabitants. It was "the Second Death" of Jerusalem, the temple, and the nation of Israel.

This fate had already been predicted for the people of Israel for their "latter end" and in the "latter days" in the "Song of Moses" in Deuteronomy 32 - even before Israel had entered the land of Canaan under Joshua. (This "Song of Moses" was being sung in Revelation 15:3, in anticipation of the seven plagues of God's judgments about to be poured out on the earth.)

The "Song of Moses" was a prediction that in Israel's "latter days", God would accuse Israel of their idolatry and lack of faith, pronouncing this judgment against His people: "For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. I will heap mischief upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." (Deut. 32:22-25). This was going to be the Lord taking His vengeance against those that hated Him and who had slain His servants - a crime which Christ accused Jerusalem of having committed (Matthew 23:34-38).

The "Lake of Fire" was a first-century phenomenon that took place within the city of Jerusalem, as the entire city turned into a blazing furnace at the close of AD 70. This inferno produced a distinct ash layer that is still visible today in excavations of Old Jerusalem.