Where does the Pope get his authority?

[BreadOfLife]

There's no teaching on it. All you have are verses that have to be pieced together from statements that are scattered all over. A teaching would be a whole chapter or a few of them on a topic. Now I'm an expert in biblical data. So I can comment on any verse in the Bible that you can come up with. Would you like one?

No – you’re just another arrogant poster on an obscure little discussion forum who has bought into the delusion of his own “greatness”.

The only thing you’re an “expert” on is dodging Scripture and history . . .

How about John 1:1...

Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God's creative self-expression... His reason, purpose and plans, especially as they are brought into action. It refers to God's self-expression or communication of Himself. This has come to pass through His creation and especially the heavens. It has come through the spoken word of the prophets and through Scripture. Most notably it has come into being through His Son. The logos is the expression of God and is His communication of Himself just as a "word" is an outward expression of a person's thoughts. This outward expression of God has now occurred through His Son and thus it's perfectly understandable why Jesus is called the "Word." Jesus is an outward expression of God's reason, wisdom, purpose and plan. For the same reason we call revelation "a word from God" and the Bible "the Word of God."

And YOU accuse ME of cherry-picking verses . . .

The “Word” of John 1:1 is the Jesus, the Son, as we find out a few verses later
We know Jesus is the Son of God because Scripture tells us this much in Mark 14:36, 61-52, John 3:16 and elsewhere.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Of course we disagree. You see yourself as a sinner and I see myself as the righteousness of God in him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
...that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

As Paul explains in Romans 7 that, as long as we’re in these bodies on this earth, we don’t “escape” sin t However – those of us in Christ get to escape the consequences of sin.

As John admits
1 John 1:8
It says, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

James tells his readers who are born again Christians:
James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.

Paul admits that he IS (not was) a sinner:
1 Tom. 15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I AM the worst.

YOU need to realize that the Church isn’t a museum of “sinless” people.
It’s a hospital for sinners . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I get that a lot from folks on here. You're not the only one. When you speak it's God's Word. When I speak it's my opinion.

And that’s an incredibly dishonest assessment.

As I pointed out – I brought actual evidence to the table whereas, YOU only brought your opinions.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh I see how you lost me. You think I said something different than what I said. I said the gospels are not part of the New Testament. The new covenant deals with what God created in Christ and that is not taught until you get past Acts chapter two. Most of the gospels are addressed to the Jews and not Christians since there were no Christians until the book of Acts. Now the Catholics don't know this so they teach prayers from the gospels that do not concern Christians.

That’s a self-refuting argument.

Without the Gospels – there are NO Epistles, NO Letters, No Apostles, NO Christians, No Church – NO Christ.. The Gospels are the very basis for these things.

 

[Taken]

@Peterlag

The Catholics did not “invent” the trinity.
The Catholics did not “establish” Christ’s Church.
The Catholics DID “adopt” the term “Catholic” which means “UNIVERSAL”, which means the Whole of a sum.

The Jewish Apostles used the term World.
Jesus used the term This World (below as opposed to His World (above ie Heaven).

The Trinity (prefix TRI - meaning THREE) and (nity…meaning “Unity” is simply a term to describe the “oneness” relationship OF…
God the Father, who called Himself…
“I Am”.
God His Word, who called His Word..
“JESUS”
God HIs Power, who called His Power…Christ”
God His Wisdom, who called His Wisdom, “Christ”
God His seed, who called His seed,
“Christ”.


Scripture which calls God…By the TITLE…
Lord God Almighty.


The Heavenly Father, established relationships for manKIND…fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, children, etc.

It was Moses God chose to be a guide and representative of God among Gods People Israel.

In Deut. 1:8 it speaks of other’s [Hebrews] as also “fathers” of the Israelites…
Abraham, Issac,& Jacob, very familiar history to the Israelites of Moses’ day.

In Deut. 32:6 is the first mention I find of God “the FATHER”, via Moses’ understanding and telling the Israelites….they also should understand…
that the Heavenly LORD God…
IS their “FATHER”.

Deut 32:
[6] Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

 

[Peterlag]

That’s a self-refuting argument.

Without the Gospels – there are NO Epistles, NO Letters, No Apostles, NO Christians, No Church – NO Christ.. The Gospels are the very basis for these things.

The gospels are not part of the New Testament. Here maybe this will help...

The Legal administration is suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The Christ administration overlapped and functioned within the Law administration and both officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

 

[Peterlag]

And that’s an incredibly dishonest assessment.

As I pointed out – I brought actual evidence to the table whereas, YOU only brought your opinions.

Again, your evidence is God's Word and my evidence is my opinion.

 

[Peterlag]

As Paul explains in Romans 7 that, as long as we’re in these bodies on this earth, we don’t “escape” sin t However – those of us in Christ get to escape the consequences of sin.

As John admits
1 John 1:8
It says, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

James tells his readers who are born again Christians:
James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.

Paul admits that he IS (not was) a sinner:
1 Tom. 15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I AM the worst.

YOU need to realize that the Church isn’t a museum of “sinless” people.
It’s a hospital for sinners . . .

I have had a number of Christians tell me about Romans 7 when I tell them I do not believe Paul taught about a "sin nature" for the Christian. Romans 7 tells us right up at the top of the chapter that Paul is talking to those who are into or know the law. And then the context of the whole chapter is how we can see it's all about Israel and their Law and how they toy with their flesh. What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we overcome this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary. To do so takes away from the perfect work of Christ and places salvation and righteousness back in our own hands. Romans 8 states "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin..."

 

[Peterlag]

No – you’re just another arrogant poster on an obscure little discussion forum who has bought into the delusion of his own “greatness”.

The only thing you’re an “expert” on is dodging Scripture and history . . .

And YOU accuse ME of cherry-picking verses . . .

The “Word” of John 1:1 is the Jesus, the Son, as we find out a few verses later
We know Jesus is the Son of God because Scripture tells us this much in Mark 14:36, 61-52, John 3:16 and elsewhere.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:14
The "Word" is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God and the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ was the Word in the flesh, which is shortened to the Word for ease of speaking. Scripture is also the Word in writing. Everyone agrees that the Word in writing had a beginning. So did the Word in the flesh. In fact, the Greek text of Matthew 1:18 says that very clearly: "Now the beginning of Jesus Christ was in this manner..." The modern Greek texts all read "beginning" in Matthew 1:18. Birth is considered an acceptable translation since the beginning of some things is birth, and so most translations read birth. Nevertheless, the proper understanding of Matthew 1:18 is the beginning of Jesus Christ. In the beginning God had a plan, a purpose, which became flesh when Jesus was conceived.

 

[The Learner]

The difference is that I provided historical evidence for my position.
YOU provided nothing but your opinion . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The problem is that anyone can claim they are 'born again' and yet be sinners, look at one of my favorite speakers, Ravi Zacharias....

But, most Christians believe after they get born again that they are still sinners.

Most preachers teach this to their people and apparently the people feel
obligated to act like sinners sine thew pastor said "we is all still sinners!"

 

[The Learner]

Again, your evidence is God's Word and my evidence is my opinion.

 

[The Learner]

I have had a number of Christians tell me about Romans 7 when I tell them I do not believe Paul taught about a "sin nature" for the Christian. Romans 7 tells us right up at the top of the chapter that Paul is talking to those who are into or know the law. And then the context of the whole chapter is how we can see it's all about Israel and their Law and how they toy with their flesh. What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we overcome this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary. To do so takes away from the perfect work of Christ and places salvation and righteousness back in our own hands. Romans 8 states "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin..."

Galatians 5:19-26

Easy-to-Read Version

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19 The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: committing sexual sin, being morally bad, doing all kinds of shameful things, 20 worshiping false gods, taking part in witchcraft, hating people, causing trouble, being jealous, angry or selfish, causing people to argue and divide into separate groups, 21 being filled with envy, getting drunk, having wild parties, and doing other things like this. I warn you now as I warned you before: The people who do these things will not have a part in God’s kingdom. 22 But the fruit that the Spirit produces in a person’s life is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these kinds of things. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their sinful self. They have given up their old selfish feelings and the evil things they wanted to do. 25 We get our new life from the Spirit, so we should follow the Spirit. 26 We must not feel proud and boast about ourselves. We must not cause trouble for each other or be jealous of each other.
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[Peterlag]

Galatians 5:19-26​

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Easy-to-Read Version​

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19 The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: committing sexual sin, being morally bad, doing all kinds of shameful things, 20 worshiping false gods, taking part in witchcraft, hating people, causing trouble, being jealous, angry or selfish, causing people to argue and divide into separate groups, 21 being filled with envy, getting drunk, having wild parties, and doing other things like this. I warn you now as I warned you before: The people who do these things will not have a part in God’s kingdom. 22 But the fruit that the Spirit produces in a person’s life is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these kinds of things. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their sinful self. They have given up their old selfish feelings and the evil things they wanted to do. 25 We get our new life from the Spirit, so we should follow the Spirit. 26 We must not feel proud and boast about ourselves. We must not cause trouble for each other or be jealous of each other.
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Well, let's look at your Galatians 5:19-26

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I am not among the works of the flesh.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

This is where I'm at.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

See no more sin nature for me because it was crucified with Christ.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Okay that's what I'm doing. I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

 

[Peterlag]

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[Augustin56]

Well, let's look at your Galatians 5:19-26

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I am not among the works of the flesh.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

This is where I'm at.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

See no more sin nature for me because it was crucified with Christ.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Okay that's what I'm doing. I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, on your own intelligence do not rely;

 

[Peterlag]

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, on your own intelligence do not rely;

You can't understand any of it because you are taught to walk in your flesh.

 

[Mr E]

Pope has the flu----

Every time he gets a sniffle or a cough there's a group of Cardinals shining their shoes...

Who will be the next Pope? The contenders.....

• Cardinal Angelo Scola - Italy
• Cardinal Odilo Pedro Scherer - Brazil
• Cardinal Peter Turkson - Ghana
• Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, O.P. - Austria
• Cardinal Marc Ouellet, S.S.P. - Canada
• Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle - Phillipines
• Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan - United States
• Cardinal Peter Erdo - Hungary
• Cardinal Gionfranco Ravasi - Italy
• Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga - Honduras
• Cardinal Leonardo Sandri - Argentina
• Cardinal Robert Sarah - Guinea

 

[Augustin56]

You can't understand any of it because you are taught to walk in your flesh.

Matt. 7:1-5
“Stop judging,* that you may not be judged.
For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?
How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?
You hypocrite,* remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.

The Pharisees judged Jesus with the same certitude you judge His Mystical Body, the Catholic Church. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Pope has the flu----

The pope must be on DOPE... when one considers all the foolish extra biblical doctrines
he believes in and teaches and still claims to be speaking in behalf of God.... what a DOPE