Where does the Pope get his authority?

[Big Boy Johnson]

How about a solar lighter?

I'm thinking about inventing the wireless extension cord

 

[BreadOfLife]

Absolutely the trinity is theirs. It did not come from God. It came from the Catholics.

WRONG.
It came from Scripture . . .
(Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4).

The word, "Trinity" came from a Catholic (Tertullian).
Guess what? "Bible" isn't in the Bible, either . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, if you are correct then God should have terminated every pope after Peter because not one of them ever taught the Scriptures correctly. As I type this I can't think of one thing the Catholics ever taught that was correct. Not one. In fact, I use them as a gauge to help me understand the Scriptures. If the Catholics teach it then I realize it must be a false biblical concept.

That's an asinine statement. NONE of your Protestant Fathers ever made such a claim.

It was the Catholic Church that gave us the Canon of the New Testament (383 AD). EVERY basic tenet of Christianity was introduced to the WORLD through the Catholic Church.

The Triune Godhead, Salvation by grace, the holiness of Marriage, and Baptismal Regeneration, to name a few . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Absolutely the trinity is theirs. It did not come from God. It came from the Catholics.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

 

[Peterlag]

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

I wish you would not say things like... Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us and then quote 1 John 5:7. Most scholars know and probably a few folks on here too that the words in 1 John 5:7 are found in no Greek Manuscripts before the 15th or 16th century and in no ancient versions.

 

[Peterlag]

That's an asinine statement. NONE of your Protestant Fathers ever made such a claim.

It was the Catholic Church that gave us the Canon of the New Testament (383 AD). EVERY basic tenet of Christianity was introduced to the WORLD through the Catholic Church.

The Triune Godhead, Salvation by grace, the holiness of Marriage, and Baptismal Regeneration, to name a few . . .

Are you telling me the Catholics are taking credit for what is written in the Bible. They could not even put it together properly. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not the "New Testament" since God did not put a paper in the Bible between Malachi and Matthew that says New Testament.

 

[Peterlag]

WRONG.
It came from Scripture . . .
(Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4).

The word, "Trinity" came from a Catholic (Tertullian).
Guess what? "Bible" isn't in the Bible, either . . .

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not. Only in the minds of Catholics who cannot explain it.

 

[Peterlag]

Peter, do you consider yourself to be on the same level as God, telling Him what he should or shouldn't have done? Just curious...

The New Testament, by the way, was written by members of the Catholic Church. And it was the Catholic Church, in the late 4th century, at the councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage, that decided that those writings were worthy of being called Scripture.

The Early Church taught mostly orally, not in writing, since the vast majority could neither read nor write. Jesus never said "Go write a book." He commanded the Apostles to go forth and preach and teach (orally).

I thought it was Paul who wrote the Epistles. Where did I go wrong?

 

[Peterlag]

The Holy Trinity is a divine revelation, defended against heretics in the first major councils, whose verdicts are accepted by Protestants, Orthodox and Catholics. That puts you in a minority within a minority. I think the real reason the Trinity is a banned topic is because it refutes anti-Catholicism. I dare say the admins of this board are in a state of schism, and the old rules got thrown in the trash.

Well, the Lord did say the path was narrow and that not many will find it.

 

[Illuminator]

I thought it was Paul who wrote the Epistles. Where did I go wrong?

Luke, who was not an Apostle, wrote Acts. Paul identified the Church as Catholic, if you care to delve into the meaning of the word and how he used the Greek word kata holos. You can find it Romans 1:8. There is another usage of "whole world" somewhere in Acts. I can't remember it offhand the verse number.
Where you go wrong is trolling like an atheist. When you start talking about Catholics like we were human beings with brains, I'll discharge you out of my ICU. (Ignore Care Unit) Bye for now.

 

[Illuminator]

Well, the Lord did say the path was narrow and that not many will find it.

Keep searching, ask questions.

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[Illuminator]

I wish you would not say things like... Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us and then quote 1 John 5:7. Most scholars know and probably a few folks on here too that the words in 1 John 5:7 are found in no Greek Manuscripts before the 15th or 16th century and in no ancient versions.

The Trinity is a banned topic...as a consequence ...
While some people (I'm thinking primarily of Bart Ehrman) argue that the addition of the Comma Johanneum proves that the idea of the Trinity was a late addition to Christianity, the Trinitarian formula can be found elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Corinthians 13:14, Matthew 28:19, Galatians 4:6).
...readers get walls of text in some threads pontificating ideologies conjured up by Made-in-America bible cults. that were founded <200 years ago. Of course, that's not you, is it?
The Trinity is a banned topic. That rules out the Nicene Creed, composed by Catholic bishops some 75 years before the full canon of scripture was realized. The Nicene Creed is rejected by rabid anti-Catholics. Of course, that's not you, is it?
I'll bet my pension check you're not even a Protestant.

 

[Illuminator]

In reality, the issue is history, not heresy: How can one argue that the Comma Johanneum must go back to the original text when it did not appear until the 16th century in any Greek manuscripts? Such a stance does not do justice to the gospel: faith must be rooted in history. To argue that the Comma must be authentic is Bultmannian in its method, for it ignores history at every level. As such, it has very little to do with biblical Christianity, for a biblical faith is one that is rooted in history.

Significantly, the German translation done by Luther was based on Erasmus’ second edition (1519) and lacked the Comma. But the KJV translators, basing their work principally on Theodore Beza’s 10th edition of the Greek NT (1598), a work which itself was fundamentally based on Erasmus’ third and later editions (and Stephanus’ editions), popularized the Comma for the English-speaking world. Thus, the Comma Johanneum has been a battleground for English-speaking Christians more than for others.

Unfortunately, for many, the Comma and other similar passages have become such emotional baggage that is dragged around whenever the Bible is read that a knee-jerk reaction and ad hominem argumentation becomes the first and only way that they can process this issue. Sadly, neither empirical evidence nor reason can dissuade them from their views. The irony is that their very clinging to tradition at all costs (namely, of an outmoded translation which, though a literary monument in its day, is now like a Model T on the Autobahn) emulates Roman Catholicism in its regard for tradition.5 If the King James translators knew that this would be the result nearly four hundred years after the completion of their work, they’d be writhing in their graves.

(non-Catholic) Daniel B. Wallace has taught Greek and New Testament courses on a graduate school level since 1979. He has a Ph.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary, and is currently professor of New Testament Studies at his alma mater. His Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament ... More

 

[Peterlag]

The Trinity is a banned topic...as a consequence ...
While some people (I'm thinking primarily of Bart Ehrman) argue that the addition of the Comma Johanneum proves that the idea of the Trinity was a late addition to Christianity, the Trinitarian formula can be found elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Corinthians 13:14, Matthew 28:19, Galatians 4:6).
...readers get walls of text in some threads pontificating ideologies conjured up by Made-in-America bible cults. that were founded <200 years ago. Of course, that's not you, is it?
The Trinity is a banned topic. That rules out the Nicene Creed, composed by Catholic bishops some 75 years before the full canon of scripture was realized. The Nicene Creed is rejected by rabid anti-Catholics. Of course, that's not you, is it?
I'll bet my pension check you're not even a Protestant.

There has to be some reason why God would become a man. I really would like to know. What did it accomplish and where is that taught. Not even a verse on that.

 

[Peterlag]

Keep searching, ask questions.

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I'm an advanced senior Christian. I graduated. There's no more searching for me. I no longer try to get God or Jesus Christ to work with me or to get close to me. I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

 

[Peterlag]

Luke, who was not an Apostle, wrote Acts. Paul identified the Church as Catholic, if you care to delve into the meaning of the word and how he used the Greek word kata holos. You can find it Romans 1:8. There is another usage of "whole world" somewhere in Acts. I can't remember it offhand the verse number.
Where you go wrong is trolling like an atheist. When you start talking about Catholics like we were human beings with brains, I'll discharge you out of my ICU. (Ignore Care Unit) Bye for now.
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It's not personal. Just business. The truth is the Catholics moved in very early probably around 60 or 80 AD and within a couple of hundred years got control of governments and killed or tortured anyone that stood in their way. From there they corrupted the truth of God's Word to this day.

 

[Illuminator]

My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners.

Because we are.

They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin.

In order to get rid of it. If we don't do a fearless moral inventory once in a while (not 24/7) you risk remaining a spiritual infant. It's about healing and forgiveness, not guilt and shame. I'm sorry you are so misinformed.

I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

And we don't?

 

[Augustin56]

I thought it was Paul who wrote the Epistles. Where did I go wrong?

And who was Paul, but a member of the Catholic Church, the ONLY Church at that time? A little objective study of history would help you out a lot, I think.

 

[Augustin56]

It's not personal. Just business. The truth is the Catholics moved in very early probably around 60 or 80 AD and within a couple of hundred years got control of governments and killed or tortured anyone that stood in their way. From there they corrupted the truth of God's Word to this day.

Peter, are you just making this stuff up as you go along, or is someone doing it for you? Try finding an objective source of history. It doesn't match up with your own at all.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I wish you would not say things like... Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us and then quote 1 John 5:7. Most scholars know and probably a few folks on here too that the words in 1 John 5:7 are found in no Greek Manuscripts before the 15th or 16th century and in no ancient versions.

That's what they do in the last days to spread mass deception.... when they come across scriptures they don't like, they claim someone was altering the original text.

Did you not see all the verse speaking of the Father???
Did you not see all the verse speaking of Jesus???
Did you not see all the verse speaking of Holy Ghost???

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us...