When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

bro.tan

Active Member
Dec 11, 2010
782
140
43
52
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
That's true... but that does not mean or say that Adam was not the first man to be "born again" which is another way of saying Adam was changed from being in fellowship with God to being separated from God.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

So according to Paul, Christ is the only one who risen from the dead, and that's what's born again is. When Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter just says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Adam is still dead until the seventh trumpet blow.
 

Dan Clarkston

Well-Known Member
Dec 16, 2023
2,182
852
113
55
Denver Colorado
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
God gave Adam and Eve another child (Seth)when they were 130 years old. Since GOD controls the womb of the woman, it is safe to say that God had forgiven Adam and Eve. However, this did not retract the curses placed upon them and mankind.

Still does not mean Adam and Eve did not die spiritually when they sinned... meaning they were separated from God.

This is why God's plan of salvation brings opportunity to be born again to fix the being separated from the Lord.
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So, Jesus was the first man to go from being separated from God... back to NOT being separated from God.
(first born from death to life)

Adam was the first man to go from NOT being separated from God... to being separated from God
(first born from life to death)
 

Dan Clarkston

Well-Known Member
Dec 16, 2023
2,182
852
113
55
Denver Colorado
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
So according to Paul, Christ is the only one who risen from the dead, and that's what's born again is.

The problem is, that's not true because when people die they don't go to "sleep" as in soul sleep which is not biblical.

Christians (those in right standing with the Lord) go to heaven when they die... those not in right standing go to hell as we see in the teaching Jesus gave about the rich man and Lazarus

Philippians 1:23
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

In these two references, Paul is certainly not teaching soul sleep and neither is Jesus in the teaching He gave about the rich man and Lazarus
 

Bladerunner

Member
Oct 5, 2024
241
61
28
73
SPARTA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Still does not mean Adam and Eve did not die spiritually when they sinned... meaning they were separated from God.
Yes He did spirtually that day and so did the whole world...It is apparent that GOD shed His Grace upon Him in the later years.. Not uncommon.
This is why God's plan of salvation brings opportunity to be born again to fix the being separated from the Lord.
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So, Jesus was the first man to go from being separated from God... back to NOT being separated from God.
(first born from death to life)
In otherwords, the resurrect defeated Death for all those He Died for.
Adam was the first man to go from NOT being separated from God... to being separated from God
(first born from life to death)
Interesting choice of words.
 

bro.tan

Active Member
Dec 11, 2010
782
140
43
52
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The problem is, that's not true because when people die they don't go to "sleep" as in soul sleep which is not biblical.

Christians (those in right standing with the Lord) go to heaven when they die... those not in right standing go to hell as we see in the teaching Jesus gave about the rich man and Lazarus

Philippians 1:23
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better
This verse is our mission to be with in the first resurrection.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
This verse is speaking spiritually minded. Let's read a little bit more to get a full understanding in 2 Corinthians 5: 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (for we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

So we labour in Christ keeping his Commandments which are spiritual, even though we in the body doing Jesus will physically. We not physically with the Lord, but our minds are spiritually with the lord. So we have this confident that we doing his will. But let's clear up one thing by the mouth of Jesus in John 3: 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Again let's take a look this conversation with Jesus and Martha in John 11: 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. The Bible talks about two resurrection, but well leave it here for right now.


In these two references, Paul is certainly not teaching soul sleep and neither is Jesus in the teaching He gave about the rich man and Lazarus
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
11,135
1,618
113
63
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, because born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close attention to what’s being said.

Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.
Good post. But Jesus was not necessarily born again after he was resurrected. He was made a quickening spirit. The terminology is more compatible with the latter.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bro.tan

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
11,135
1,618
113
63
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I went to a Pentecostal church once and a woman got the spirit, fell to the floor and started flopping around like a fish. That spirit was a bit scary for me.
That is where you will see that. They deal with the supernatural. Most churches are oblivious to spirits and the Holy Ghost, etc. When you go where people believe in the supernatural, you will see unusual things. I like that. I have been in the Pentecostal lifestyle for 45+ years.
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
11,135
1,618
113
63
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Have you seen or entered the Kingdom of God and if so can you please described your experience? Anyone who has been born again is free to answer this question.
I was born again when I obeyed Peter as he said, repent and be baptized, everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. And then I received the gift of the Holy Ghost. I followed Jesus through his death, burial, and resurrection while here on earth.
 

bro.tan

Active Member
Dec 11, 2010
782
140
43
52
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Good post. But Jesus was not necessarily born again after he was resurrected. He was made a quickening spirit. The terminology is more compatible with the latter.
A quickening Spirit is when we all be born again, well have that same body Jesus have when he came out the grave. So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
11,135
1,618
113
63
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
A quickening Spirit is when we all be born again, well have that same body Jesus have when he came out the grave. So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
A quickening spirit is a spirit that raises the dead. Raises other people from the dead. We are not made quickening spirits. We do not raise people from the dead. We are quickened by the quickening spirit, Jesus Christ.
 

Gottservant

Well-Known Member
Oct 19, 2022
2,397
701
113
46
Greensborough
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
I had an insight that when Jesus left the grave, He was presented with the choice of being born again mysteriously one way or another, but He waited.
 

Bladerunner

Member
Oct 5, 2024
241
61
28
73
SPARTA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Good post. But Jesus was not necessarily born again after he was resurrected. He was made a quickening spirit. The terminology is more compatible with the latter.
Jesus did not require Justification or salvation as He was God.
 

wooddog

Member
May 8, 2024
111
25
28
64
cleveland
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
That is where you will see that. They deal with the supernatural. Most churches are oblivious to spirits and the Holy Ghost, etc. When you go where people believe in the supernatural, you will see unusual things. I like that. I have been in the Pentecostal lifestyle for 45+ years.
Some have more spirits than others just as some have more Holy Spirit than others.
I was born again when I obeyed Peter as he said, repent and be baptized, everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. And then I received the gift of the Holy Ghost. I followed Jesus through his death, burial, and resurrection while here on earth.
And like king David, Acts 2;34 we anticipate the last day to be born into the Kingdom and see Christ face to face.
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
11,135
1,618
113
63
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Some have more spirits than others just as some have more Holy Spirit than others.

And like king David, Acts 2;34 we anticipate the last day to be born into the Kingdom and see Christ face to face.
Yes, but the only people that will reign with Jesus Christ in the millennial are those that obey Acts 2:38. At least per our dispensation we have to follow it.
Rebels cannot reign with him.
 

bro.tan

Active Member
Dec 11, 2010
782
140
43
52
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
A quickening spirit is a spirit that raises the dead. Raises other people from the dead. We are not made quickening spirits. We do not raise people from the dead. We are quickened by the quickening spirit, Jesus Christ.
Show that in the Bible, please. Let's always use scriptures and verses to get clear understanding.