When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let’s take a closer look at your view on this.

In Matthew 16:24 Jesus is speaking directly to His disciples, then in vs 28 He say some shall not taste death. That implies some will die and some won’t die. Non of the disciples died before the Acts 1:9 ascension.

Looks like it had to be fulfilled after the ascension.

It implies no such thing. You are saying that based on your doctrinal bias.

Jesus was not commenting one way or another on whether some of them standing there would die before seeing Him coming in His kingdom. He was simply saying some of them would not die before seeing Him coming in His kingdom while the rest would not see Him coming in His kingdom in the sense He was speaking about.

People miss the context of the verse by not continuing to read the verses which follow it which describe Jesuss' transfiguration where He gave Peter, James and John a glimpse of His coming in glory by appearing to them in His glory. That fulfilled what He said in Matthew 16:28.

 

[grafted branch]

SIXTH SEAL TIMING:
Rev 6:16-17
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

Fifth Seal Timing:
In Revelation 6:9-11 the souls under the altar ask the question of how long dost thou not judge them that dwell on the earth. The answer is given in vs 11 that they should rest a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Currently everyone who has read Revelation 6 knows the answer to the question, and since we all have this knowledge (or foreknowledge, depending on when someone thinks this takes place) there is no need to ask this question again, now or in the future, because the answer will not change. Actually asking the Lord this question would show a lack of faith if someone thought a different answer might be possible.

 

[grafted branch]

It implies no such thing. You are saying that based on your doctrinal bias.

Jesus was not commenting one way or another on whether some of them standing there would die before seeing Him coming in His kingdom. He was simply saying some of them would not die before seeing Him coming in His kingdom while the rest would not see Him coming in His kingdom in the sense He was speaking about.

People miss the context of the verse by not continuing to read the verses which follow it which describe Jesuss' transfiguration where He gave Peter, James and John a glimpse of His coming in glory by appearing to them in His glory. That fulfilled what He said in Matthew 16:28.

I say it does imply that which makes me think you are using doctrinal bias.

 

[Davy]

Fifth Seal Timing:
In Revelation 6:9-11 the souls under the altar ask the question of how long dost thou not judge them that dwell on the earth. The answer is given in vs 11 that they should rest a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Currently everyone who has read Revelation 6 knows the answer to the question, and since we all have this knowledge (or foreknowledge, depending on when someone thinks this takes place) there is no need to ask this question again, now or in the future, because the answer will not change. Actually asking the Lord this question would show a lack of faith if someone thought a different answer might be possible.

Nah... I don't buy into your false logic.

I quoted that 6th SEAL event because that is for the END of this present world when that will happen. So that DESTROYS ANY SILLY IDEA that the Luke 23:27-30 prophecy has already been fulfilled. So vain attempts to try and 'shame'... in order to coerce folks to NOT bring up that future prophecy, is just another false Jew ploy, because today's Jews don't LIKE what MY Lord Jesus said there about deceived Jews in Jerusalem for the very end of this world.

 

[grafted branch]

Nah... I don't buy into your false logic.

I quoted that 6th SEAL event because that is for the END of this present world when that will happen. So that DESTROYS ANY SILLY IDEA that the Luke 23:27-30 prophecy has already been fulfilled. So vain attempts to try and 'shame'... in order to coerce folks to NOT bring up that future prophecy, is just another false Jew ploy, because today's Jews don't LIKE what MY Lord Jesus said there about deceived Jews in Jerusalem for the very end of this world.

If you die a martyr are you planning on asking the fifth seal question of how long? Why not also ask Jesus who His mother was? We know the answers to those questions!

It makes no sense to put the fifth seal taking place after the writing of Revelation, which means the Luke 23:29-30 fulfillment could very well be the sixth seal.

 

[Davy]

If you die a martyr are you planning on asking the fifth seal question of how long? Why not also ask Jesus who His mother was? We know the answers to those questions!

It makes no sense to put the fifth seal taking place after the writing of Revelation, which means the Luke 23:29-30 fulfillment could very well be the sixth seal.

Did you get that kind of idea from Judaism?

What my Lord Jesus Christ said about FUTURE "Daughters of Jerusalem" and their "children" in days to come (at the END of this world), still holds as future prophecy today. It has not happened yet, and it certainly did not happen back in 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem!

Here is why, but I doubt you will be able to understand it:

The "Blessed are the barren..." idea is about those "Daughters of Jerusalem" of the future at Jesus' future return, who will be saying that about the FAITHFUL SAINTS who remained a "chaste virgin" waiting on Christ's coming, instead of falling away to the false-Messiah who comes first!

Those deceived "Daughters of Jerusalem" are the ones quoting that metaphor from Isaiah 54:1 about the faithful whose symbolic wombs never bare (in false worship). That means a time of FALSE IDOL WORSHIP in Jerusalem. Did that happen when the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem? NO! Simply because that shame is about when those deceived Jews at the end of this world SEE Christ coming in the clouds, and they then realize they had been tricked by the false-Messiah/Antichrist that God's Word shows will come first.

And this is why... those on the 6th SEAL will wish for the mountains to "Fall on us", because that 6th SEAL timing is about the day of Christ's future coming when God's cup of Wrath is poured out upon the wicked and deceived.

 

[grafted branch]

That means a time of FALSE IDOL WORSHIP in Jerusalem. Did that happen when the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem? NO!

Ok, let’s shift gears here, wouldn’t the sacrifices made after the vail was torn qualify as false idol worship? Meaning the worship of the old covenant which was decaying and obsolete, as Hebrews 8:13 says, was false worship.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I say it does imply that which makes me think you are using doctrinal bias.

What is the reason that you apparently don't take the verses which follow Matthew 16:28 into account when interpreting the verse? Are you allowing the inappropriate placement of a chapter break to influence your interpretation?

In Mark 9, there is no chapter break between Jesus talking about some standing there who would not die before seeing the kingdom come with power and the description of His transfiguration. So, you can more easily see that Matthew 16:28 is related directly to His transfiguration by also reading Mark 9.

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

His kingdom came in power in a sense when He gave them a glimpse of Himself in glory. That is what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 16:28. By not continuing to read the verses immediately after Matthew 16:28, you miss the context of what He was talking about there.

 

[Davy]

Ok, let’s shift gears here, wouldn’t the sacrifices made after the vail was torn qualify as false idol worship? Meaning the worship of the old covenant which was decaying and obsolete, as Hebrews 8:13 says, was false worship.

Why do you keep trying to move... away... from that Luke 23:27-30 Scripture prophecy? It will be years... before you are done bringing up non-relevant Bible topics just to try and escape the reality of that Luke 23 prophecy about endtime Jerusalem.

 

[grafted branch]

Why do you keep trying to move... away... from that Luke 23:27-30 Scripture prophecy? It will be years... before you are done bringing up non-relevant Bible topics just to try and escape the reality of that Luke 23 prophecy about endtime Jerusalem.

I thought you attempting to divert, but if not that’s fine.

It appears to me that you are working very hard to try to disprove a possible fulfillment in the past when these very events that took place could be a type or foreshadow that shed insight into what may happen in the future.

 

[grafted branch]

What is the reason that you apparently don't take the verses which follow Matthew 16:28 into account when interpreting the verse? Are you allowing the inappropriate placement of a chapter break to influence your interpretation?

In Mark 9, there is no chapter break between Jesus talking about some standing there who would not die before seeing the kingdom come with power and the description of His transfiguration. So, you can more easily see that Matthew 16:28 is related directly to His transfiguration by also reading Mark 9.

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

His kingdom came in power in a sense when He gave them a glimpse of Himself in glory. That is what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 16:28. By not continuing to read the verses immediately after Matthew 16:28, you miss the context of what He was talking about there.

I take those verses into account but none of them had died yet so I don’t see the event of transfiguration being a fulfillment. If you do then fine, there probably aren’t two people on the planet that are in agreement on every single verse.

 

[tailgator]

Who knows if you’ll still be on this forum in four years but would you mind if I remind you of this post in four years?

You have been on this forum since June 2024, and made several predictions. If I were to search your previous posts I think I would find that you have made some predictions that haven’t come true. Why should I believe you this time?

Show me one prediction that hasn't come true.

If your going to accuse someone,the least you can do is show the proof.

 

[tailgator]

Who knows if you’ll still be on this forum in four years but would you mind if I remind you of this post in four years?

You have been on this forum since June 2024, and made several predictions. If I were to search your previous posts I think I would find that you have made some predictions that haven’t come true. Why should I believe you this time?

Now you claimed the day of the Lord was in 70 ad.
That is when Jerusalem is attacked by the nations and the Lord sets foot on the mt of olives.

You claim everyone who was dead saw Jesus but the bible does not say the dead saw him nor had any living person ever claimed to have seen Jesus Christ in 70 AD .

Why should anyone believe you seeing you was not even there to witness what only you say happened?

 

[grafted branch]

Show me one prediction that hasn't come true.

If your going to accuse someone,the least you can do is show the proof.

Last year it was thinking to change laws as Daniels prophecy says .It probably won't be until after Trump is reelected before the little horn recieves the host.

This is what will soon happen to the people you believe are God's chosen people.The Jews who reject Christ in the land of Israel today.

Deuteronomy 28

The two witnesses have not arrived in Israel yet.
A sign that they have not arrived is its still raining In the middle east.
I expect they will arrive in Israel next year.

Here are some of your posts. I’m still waiting for these things to be fulfilled.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I take those verses into account but none of them had died yet so I don’t see the event of transfiguration being a fulfillment.

Jesus didn't say that anyone had to die beforehand, He just said some who were standing there would see the kingdom come in power in some way before they died.

Regardless of the fact that you disagree with my interpretation, would you agree that what Peter, James and John saw at Jesus's transfiguration was a coming of Jesus and the kingdom of God in power in a sense since they saw Jesus in His glory the same way He will appear at His future second coming?

If you do then fine, there probably aren’t two people on the planet that are in agreement on every single verse.

Of course not. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, but I'm just pointing out that there's more to this that it seems like you haven't considered.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ok, let’s shift gears here, wouldn’t the sacrifices made after the vail was torn qualify as false idol worship? Meaning the worship of the old covenant which was decaying and obsolete, as Hebrews 8:13 says, was false worship.

Sort of yes and no.
Paul went to make offerings in the temple when He was an apostle
I am not sure what Paul was planning here exactly.
It put the Jews into a terrible uproar.
Acts 21

Arrested in the Temple​

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the [g]expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” 29 (For they had [h]previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)

 

[tailgator]

Here are some of your posts. I’m still waiting for these things to be fulfilled.

You have not posted one that is wrong yet.

If your going to accuse someone of making a false prediction,you should first prove they did.

Where's your proof?

 

[grafted branch]

Regardless of the fact that you disagree with my interpretation, would you agree that what Peter, James and John saw at Jesus's transfiguration was a coming of Jesus and the kingdom of God in power in a sense since they saw Jesus in His glory the same way He will appear at His future second coming?

Yea, I wouldn’t argue against that. There is something that is similar to what you’re proposing.

Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

The Son of man had power to forgive sins prior to the cross but that forgiveness of sins was based on His death at the cross. If I were to carry this further I could argue that the daily sacrifice was taken away when Jesus forgave sins.

 

[grafted branch]

Sort of yes and no.
Paul went to make offerings in the temple when He was an apostle
I am not sure what Paul was planning here exactly.
It put the Jews into a terrible uproar.
Acts 21

Arrested in the Temple​

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the [g]expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” 29 (For they had [h]previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

I agree, on the one hand it seems that it would be wrong to make a sacrifice or be zealous for the law yet there were many thousands that both believed and were zealous.

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

I think God allowed a period of time for the transition to the new covenant.

 

[grafted branch]

You have not posted one that is wrong yet.

If your going to accuse someone of making a false prediction,you should first prove they did.

Where's your proof?

Proof will be coming on January 1 2026.