When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

[The Light]

There is ONLY one Second Coming of Christ = Genesis/Prophets/Gospel/Apostles/Revelation

Right. It occurs at the 6th seal.

Which ONLY occurs at the END = Matt ch24

Exactly. At the 6th seal.

When Christ Returns He resurrects the dead in Him = 1 Thess 4:13-18

Right. The dead in Christ rise first........pre trib. This is the barley harvest.

AFTER the Resurrection of the Just, the rapture takes place = 1 Thess 4:13-18

Right. He returns for the alive that remains..........pre trib. This is the wheat harvest.

"pre-trib" rapture has always been a Big Lie from satan

Whoa. Wait a minute. You were doing so good.

 

[David in NJ]

Right. It occurs at the 6th seal.


Exactly. At the 6th seal.

Right. The dead in Christ rise first........pre trib. This is the barley harvest.


Right. He returns for the alive that remains..........pre trib. This is the wheat harvest.

Whoa. Wait a minute. You were doing so good.

The 6th Seal is a REVEALING of an EVENT that is FUTURE

My Brother in Christ,
If you do not believe the words of Christ in the Gospel, along with the Apostles, you will never understand Revelation correctly.

 

[The Light]

The 6th Seal is a REVEALING of an EVENT that is FUTURE

Exactly. How is it you understand these things now? You have learned a lot since we last spoke.

Brother. All the seals are a REVEALING of EVENTS that are FUTURE.

 

[David in NJ]

Exactly. How is it you understand these things now? You have learned a lot since we last spoke.

Brother. All the seals are a REVEALING of EVENTS that are FUTURE.

Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any pre-trib rapture to take place before the 6th Seal

 

[The Light]

Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any pre-trib rapture to take place before the 6th Seal

Yes. The pretrib rapture will take place before the seals are opened.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes. The pretrib rapture will take place before the seals are opened.

lol

Sure it will.....................but you will not find that fairy tale of 'pre-trib' anywhere in the Holy Scriptures.

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[The Light]

The “two-horned beast“ IS Satan (the Antichrist) and his number IS 666.

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. - Revelation 13:11

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. - Revelation 13:18

It is not Satan, it is a man.
Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666

The sixth seal is not when Jesus comes,

Oh look. In Matthew 24 when the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven.........Jesus comes.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Oh look. At the opening of the sixth seal the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. Given the information of Matthew 24 we know that Jesus comes at the 6th seal. Simple, and yet most can't see.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

but that he most assuredly is coming again. Better wait until the seventh trumpet.

Jesus comes at the 6th seal before the wrath of God for a harvest. This is not the same coming that occurs at the 7th trumpet.

You need to start with the basics.

We need to understand that the Seals are for knowledge. They inform us of what will happen in the Trumps and Vials; they are like an outline of information. They are not in chronological order.

The seals are in chronological order. The 1st 4 seals are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The 5th seal is the Great Tribulation shown in Matthew 24 and the 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for the harvest. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7

As for the 7th seal, that is the one year wrath of God. Your contention that the seals are for knowledge and happen in the trumps and vials is absolutely false.

The Trumps and Vials, on the other hand, are in chronological order.

Yes they are. However, both the trumpets and vial occur in the 7th seal. It's time you learn the real order of Revelation.

 

[The Light]

lol

Sure it will.....................but you will not find that fairy tale of 'pre-trib' anywhere in the Holy Scriptures.

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* Must be CLEAR and CONCISE 'pre-trib' rapture verse

It's clear and concise to me, but most can't even understand what MANY OF THEM means. So the task impossible.

You could say I can earn $10,000 if I can prove with one scripture that Jesus wept.

I could post..........

John 11
35 Jesus wept.

Would I get the $10,000? No. They would go into the Greek and start fabricating a bunch of nonsense.....excuse after excuse after excuse.

Very few on this forum are looking for the truth.

 

[honeycomb]

@The Light

It is not Satan, it is a man.
Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

- Revelation 13:11-18

@The Light
The whole subject of Revelation 13 is about the coming of Satan. This is basic and extremely crucial to know; otherwise, you will be deceived.

 

[The Light]

lol

Sure it will.....................but you will not find that fairy tale of 'pre-trib' anywhere in the Holy Scriptures.

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#3 - Earn another $1,000 for just one declaration from the Apostles Peter, Paul or John

* Must be CLEAR and CONCISE 'pre-trib' rapture verse

Here is a pretrib verse but I don't suspect you will understand it.

Luke 12
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

 

[The Light]

@The Light

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

- Revelation 13:11-18

@The Light
The whole subject of Revelation 13 is about the coming of Satan. This is basic and extremely crucial to know; otherwise, you will be deceived.

I will not be here to be deceived as the Lord is coming before the tribulation.

He also comes at the 6th seal before wrath as I have shown you. You need to start with the basics.

 

[honeycomb]

Luke 12:36 "And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately."

The meaning of this verse is that it stands in sharp contrast to what we actually do today. Today, we have the wedding and after this, we cut the cake and enjoy ourselves. At the time this verse was written, they would cut the cake and celebrate and then they would have the wedding. So, with this in mind, the groom's family prepared the wedding feast and after the ceremony, the bride arrived.​

The food for Christ's wedding feast is His Word, and it is up to us to prepare for the subsequent wedding.

Luke 12:37 "Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them."

Pay special attention to verse 37, @The Light for blessed are those servants that are watching and ready when the Lord Jesus Christ comes. If you only study the New Testament, the four Gospels, and Paul's Epistles, which are all important, but you don't study the Book of Revelation and the Old Testament prophets, both major and minor, you will be in danger of losing your soul in these end times. Make sure you know everything you need to know so you can "endure til the end" and are not the first woman to be taken in the field. DON’T BE DECEIVED.


PEtRA​

 

[honeycomb]

Here is a pretrib verse but I don't suspect you will understand it.

Luke 12
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

I do believe it’s you who does not understand it.

 

[The Light]

Luke 12:36 "And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately."
​

The meaning of this verse is that it stands in sharp contrast to what we actually do today. Today, we have the wedding and after this, we cut the cake and enjoy ourselves. At the time this verse was written, they would cut the cake and celebrate and then they would have the wedding. So, with this in mind, the groom's family prepared the wedding feast and after the ceremony, the bride arrived.​

And the Lord returns from the wedding because?

Luke 12:37 "Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them."

Pay special attention to verse 37, @The Light for blessed are those servants that are watching and ready when the Lord Jesus Christ comes. If you only study the New Testament, the four Gospels, and Paul's Epistles, which are all important, but you don't study the Book of Revelation and the Old Testament prophets, both major and minor, you will be in danger of losing your soul in these end times. Make sure you know everything you need to know so you can "endure til the end" and are not the first woman to be taken in the field. DON’T BE DECEIVED.


PEtRA​

Well I've studied, the New Testament, Revelation, the Old Testament, the major prophets and the minor prophets and nothing in there tell me I would lose my soul if I didn't

Those that are taken when one is taken and one is left are taken to the throne in heaven. This is why there is a great multitude in heaven after the rapture that occurs at the 6th seal. This is the second rapture and it occurs BEFORE the 1-year Day of the Lord. Those that think that the Lord comes only at the 7th trumpet do not realize that the 7th trumpet is when the Lord sets up His kingdom AFTER wrath.

 

[honeycomb]

And the Lord returns from the wedding because?

You aren’t making sense, or you still don’t understand it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

All you do is babble and you don't do anything to show how your false pretrib rapture doctrine could possibly be true. Are you too afraid to actually exegete scripture instead of just babbling? Are you afraid of what you might discover if you actually look at scripture closely?

Just referencing Revelation 14:14 proves nothing. You don't recognize the parallels within the book of Revelation so you interpret the whole thing in chronological order. That leads to all kinds of conclusions that contradict other scripture. You should not interpret the book of Revelation in isolation from other scripture. You should not interpret anything in that book which doesn't line up with other scripture, but that's exactly what you're doing.

Show me where Paul taught a pretrib rapture. He taught that Christ will destroy His enemies when the rapture occurs (1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 2 Thess 1:7-10), so why would you interpret the book of Revelation in such a way that contradicts what Paul taught?

Rev 14: 14 the Jewish harvest vivid and basic.

You =" babble and nothing "

What a disgusting view and attitude.
Just plain nasty.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Therefore, "pre-trib" rapture is a complete LIE from satan.

Jesus said : before the flood, one taken, one left.
You calling Jesus a satanic liar is pitiful friend.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You are very ignorant. Don't just read Matthew 24. Read Mark 13 and Luke 21 as well. All are accounts of the Olivet Discourse and we should read all of them to get the full understanding of it. Jesus said the elect will be gathered from BOTH heaven and earth when He comes AFTERr the tribulatIon of those days"

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Outermost part of earth is the atmosphere.
..and note I do not need to call names as you do in every post.
You are at a point where your nastiness is beyond your controll.

You literally can not communicate in a calm civil manner.

Sad.

( but no charge on continually educating you, and pointing out your error)

I do,in a sense ,understand your frustration.

 

[rebuilder 454]

lol

Sure it will.....................but you will not find that fairy tale of 'pre-trib' anywhere in the Holy Scriptures.

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#3 - Earn another $1,000 for just one declaration from the Apostles Peter, Paul or John

* Must be CLEAR and CONCISE 'pre-trib' rapture verse

Note that you could not respond with any postrib rapture verses.
Yes I agree. There are none.
Zero.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I do believe it’s you who does not understand it.

I challenged postribbers a few months back to offer some postrib rapture verse.
They could not.