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That will help others understand what SDA believes regarding eschatology.

I think this
It isn't about what SDA believe. You and I are already discussing that on another thread. And I'm not afraid of defending our position. I can do so biblically and historically.
Revelation 20:8 is not the Ezekiel 38-39 event. Revelation 20:8 is indicating that the same nations that take part in the Ezekiel 38-39 event will be a part of the nations that take part in Satan's last deception of the nations.

Ezekiel 39 is comprised of three parts.

1. Ezekiel 39:1-16 is about the destruction of Gog's army and aftermath cleanup and burning of the weapons for 7 years.

2. Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon event at the end of those 7 years.

3. Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having returned to this earth at His Second Coming.
This thread isn't about what you and I believe eschatologically. It's about those things the ruling class of occult secret societies, the Jesuits, some government agencies and NGOs, and certain institutions are doing to bring about the Revelation 13 scenario. Cashless society. Financial control globally. Power over individual financial independence. Natural disasters. War. Starvation. Food crisis. Transport crisis. Personal liberties. All these tie in with prophecy yes, but this is about what secular institutions and individuals are doing to bring them about. Stick to the topic.
 

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Thank you. You are getting it. And that's what the video is all about. And the ones who predicted it are the likely culprit implementing it. The video gives some interesting details as to what and why, when, and who by.
Oh, I have known for decades and have watched the changes as it is has been implemented. It is what the illegal immigration is about and the 15 minute cities being built everywhere. The list goes on & on. We will see more viruses as well. There are psyops and unprecedented propaganda, and a whole lot of deceit. Many believe and many dont see it at all. They don't even see the skies. The greed is so prevalent and is in every institution. Everything has been infiltrated. I do mean everything. This a very complicated top down bottom up scheme and everything has been infiltrated. Create a crisis and offer the solution. It's pure evil.
It's a New World Order as Bush Sr announced as no one paid attention when he signed it with the UN back in 1991> he announced it on Sept 11 1991. Yes, these people are that sick. It was called Agenda 21 but has morphed into Sustainable Development. Bush Sr is also the one who gave Monsanto a green light with GMO farming -foods in our supply. Since, then many people's digestive systems have gone south. They tell us take your probiotics and make all sorts of new drugs. Bush was CIA as well as skull & bones. Funny how Reagan was almost assasinated with George just waiting in the wings.
Clinton wasted no time speeding it along as fast as he could- I can't say what Bush Jr did with it since 911 was all we heard about- but Obama was fully for it with fireworks. Trump is against it as far as I have seen, but who knows. I think it's far bigger than him.

I no longer give it much thought as I know the good Lord has his children in His hands and whatever awaits us in this life is temporal.
So if this upsets you a lot, Brakelite. please just turn to the Lord and cast your burdens. It is out of our hands now, and there is wisdom in knowing that.

 
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Oh, I have known for decades and have watched the changes as it is has been implemented. It is what the illegal immigration is about and the 15 minute cities being built everywhere. The list goes on & on. We will see more viruses as well. There are psyops and unprecedented propaganda, and a whole lot of deceit. Many believe and many dont see it at all. They don't even see the skies. The greed is so prevalent and is in every institution. Everything has been infiltrated. I do mean everything. This a very complicated top down bottom up scheme and everything has been infiltrated. Create a crisis and offer the solution. It's pure evil.
It's a New World Order as Bush Sr announced as no one paid attention when he signed it with the UN back in 1991> he announced it on Sept 11 1991. Yes, these people are that sick. It was called Agenda 21 but has morphed into Sustainable Development. Bush Sr is also the one who gave Monsanto a green light with GMO farming -foods in our supply. Since, then many people's digestive systems have gone south. They tell us take your probiotics and make all sorts of new drugs. Bush was CIA as well as skull & bones. Funny how Reagan was almost assasinated with George just waiting in the wings.
Clinton wasted no time speeding it along as fast as he could- I can't say what Bush Jr did with it since 911 was all we heard about- but Obama was fully for it with fireworks. Trump is against it as far as I have seen, but who knows. I think it's far bigger than him.

I no longer give it much thought as I know the good Lord has his children in His hands and whatever awaits us in this life is temporal.
So if this upsets you a lot, Brakelite. please just turn to the Lord and cast your burdens. It is out of our hands now, and there is wisdom in knowing that.

I'm posting this information not because I'm afraid, but because there are many Christians here who are ignorant of Satan's devises, who believe the world is actually entering into a millennium of peace and safety, and think America is the apple of God's eye and can't do wrong or go awry.
What were the 4 greatest moments of crisis in American history, and when?
The American Revolutionary war... Ended...1781
The Civil War... Began 1861.
First World War, Pearl Harbor...1941
The video above quotes to DC think tanks, insiders of the NSA and other government agencies and NGOs, saying 2025 or soon after they expect world war 3 and a nuclear event. Note the 80 year cycle. Coincidence?
Christians have nothing to fear. But we need to get ready. Spiritually ready. I don't mean cartons of baked beans in the basement. Or several military grade weapons under the bed. I mean we need to grow closer to Jesus. We need to truly forgive those who have sinned against us. We need to be sharing the gospel, living the character of Christ in our homes first, and everywhere else. The future isn't something we can prepare for by expecting a Trump administration to create a society of righteousness. Politics isn't the answer to America's woes. Repentance, heart felt soul searching humility and surrender to the God Who forgives and empowers. The church needs to shed it's luke warmness. Time to buy that which comes without money and without price. The righteousness of Christ.
 

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I'm posting this information not because I'm afraid, but because there are many Christians here who are ignorant of Satan's devises, who believe the world is actually entering into a millennium of peace and safety, and think America is the apple of God's eye and can't do wrong or go awry.
What were the 4 greatest moments of crisis in American history, and when?
The American Revolutionary war... Ended...1781
The Civil War... Began 1861.
First World War, Pearl Harbor...1941
The video above quotes to DC think tanks, insiders of the NSA and other government agencies and NGOs, saying 2025 or soon after they expect world war 3 and a nuclear event. Note the 80 year cycle. Coincidence?
Christians have nothing to fear. But we need to get ready. Spiritually ready. I don't mean cartons of baked beans in the basement. Or several military grade weapons under the bed. I mean we need to grow closer to Jesus. We need to truly forgive those who have sinned against us. We need to be sharing the gospel, living the character of Christ in our homes first, and everywhere else. The future isn't something we can prepare for by expecting a Trump administration to create a society of righteousness. Politics isn't the answer to America's woes. Repentance, heart felt soul searching humility and surrender to the God Who forgives and empowers. The church needs to shed it's luke warmness. Time to buy that which comes without money and without price. The righteousness of Christ.
Mt 6:33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
 

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Just to clarify with everyone... Nowhere in the video I posted does the speaker dissect or discuss doctrine. The video is about government affiliated think tanks taking about the future. Believe me. They couldn't be further away from SDA beliefs.

I couldn't watch the video either. I found the man generally irritating, if not repulsive and at the same time erroneous, a blind guide. Fingernails on a chalk board. The best thing he probably said was right at the beginning, "if we even have that much time. The best part was when he read from the actual Bible, Luke and Psalms. My only interest in considering the material was in the 2025- 2030 dates displayed on the screen.

And just to clarify with everyone, you yourself know which SDA doctrine the speaker is discussing. I figured it out just by fast forwarding to points where I could read the subjects on his blue screen. Towards the end he asks: "why has God given us this time? His answer I believe continues to be incorrect.

And it's Amazing, how I've done my eschatology, is that I can listen to everyone. I can consider everyone. Then I decide who's correct. If no man can know the day or the hour, not even the Son of Man, I don't think I need a think tank from the 90's. Like Richard Ruhling said when someone mentioned a dream they had, "I prefer to stay with the Bible.

I've never been a member of a church. But in 2013 when I began my eschatological investigation, I listened to every Doug Bachelor, and David Asscherick video I could find while I was building a motorcycle in my living room that winter. Even though I was worried of brainwashing myself, from reading the Ellen White books they made mention of, I will continue to say that anyone who has not read The Great Controversy, and The Desire of Ages, is missing out. Big time.

But that's the problem with the SDA's. Their doctrine is frozen in time. Since 1915 they've been a vinyl record skipping at it's end. No new light since 1915. Back when Ellen White was alive, the SDA's were still in the discovery phase, where "new light" could enter and shine on them. They could still trade ideas, discuss their doctrine, and consider the new light. They had debated and made the correct discovery on even when their Sabbath should begin, night before light. Now they're stale dated, locked in a time capsule. I saw Doug Bachelor in a more recent video where he suggested the 5th Trumpet was the rise of Islam. How pathetical to see him like that. Throwing darts haphazardly. Lol.

I believe the speaker in this video has also made a terrible and grievous mistake. He's basically just parroting the doctrine he learned in his Sabbath school. Which is a doctrine I know to be false. The USA is not a bad thing in Bible Prophecy. If there were no USA, there would be no Ellen White, or Billy Graham. And the Bible would not have travelled to the ends of the earth as fast as it has as a witness to all nations, from the only nation complete with a Bible Belt. I remember as a little kid, my family would gather around the TV at primetime in the evening with snacks, like a sporting event, to watch the Billy Graham Crusade.

A Place Prepared by God.

When God does a thing it becomes holy, not that the thing is inherently holy, in and of itself, so that God does it. We in the USA are the salt of the "earth", the "earth" from Relation 12, that had opened it's mouth to swallow the flood spewing forth from the dragon's mouth during the end of the Foxe Book days in 1798. We are the "earth" who had helped the "woman", the Christian Church, in a place prepared by God in 1776. But if the salt has lost its flavor, with what will it be salted? When the USA declines and gets wiped out, all the nations will be crushed by the Rock not formed by human hands. The earth will then vomit out it's inhabitants. And we will be headed for New Jerusalem while the "earth" enjoys it's Sabbath rest. All the time that we are gone.

The good news for now is that America is not the second beast from Revelation 13, like the SDA in this video, and all SDA's think it is. Heaven forbid. But the bad news is that we are the same "earth", from the previous chapter 12, that the second beast has risen from now.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

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@Dave Watchman yet you cannot deny the fact that the occult elite in Luciferian circles have designated 2025 as the beginning of what Alice Bailey said almost 100 years ago, "the externalization of the hierarchy".
At the other end of the spectrum is the comparatively recent PROJECT 2025, a Christian conservative mandate for christianizing America through political efforts.
Add to that the culmination around 2025 of cyclical data in society such as the frequency of economic turn arounds, war, etc, and the think- tank's conclusions after studying data going back centuries, such as an impending 3rd world war, a nuclear event, a civil war in America, and an economic collapse, all of which are predicted by the WEF, and the subject of Jesuit theatre in Hollywood, then surely it must give anyone pause to think.
You say that Adventists are stale. That their eschatology hasn't moved forward, and are stuck in an old rut going back 100 years or more.
Yet you are blind to the fact that all of the above harmonizes and lines up with the 150 year old eschatology of the Adventist church. Let me give you an example.
You say that Revelation 12 speaks of the earth as being the refuge for European protestantism, and that was America. That's Adventist core teaching. Adventists as you seem to be aware, also speak of protestant America as being the false prophet, the second beast of Revelation 13, that began as a lamb... Innocent like a lamb, having no ambitions toward greatness, but desiring only to be a sanctuary for the persecuted...having a constitution that stipulated a government without a king, protecting a religion without a Pope. Civil liberty, and religious liberty. Hence the 2 lamb like horns. Foundational principles of protestantism. And you are right. God blessed America. That beast however at some stage is said to speak like a dragon. The dragon operates under very different principles. It despises religious liberty. It repudiates the principles of the Constitution. It operates best under a union of church and state. Just like in the middle ages in Europe.
PROJECT 2025 is at it's core, a mandate for protestant America to create an image to the Papal beast of the dark ages, a protestant version of a union of church and state, legislating and enforcing religious doctrine, the mark of the beast, and to "encourage" compliance, an accompanying "no-buy no-sell" law. Do you not see that conflict in American society, the widening division, the refusal of either side to give up entrenched positions and willing to go to war over it if necessary? How does what is actually taking place today differ from Adventist and biblical prophecy?
 

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@Dave Watchman yet you cannot deny the fact that the occult elite in Luciferian circles have designated 2025 as the beginning of what Alice Bailey said almost 100 years ago, "the externalization of the hierarchy".
At the other end of the spectrum is the comparatively recent PROJECT 2025, a Christian conservative mandate for christianizing America through political efforts.
Add to that the culmination around 2025 of cyclical data in society such as the frequency of economic turn arounds, war, etc, and the think- tank's conclusions after studying data going back centuries, such as an impending 3rd world war, a nuclear event, a civil war in America, and an economic collapse, all of which are predicted by the WEF, and the subject of Jesuit theatre in Hollywood, then surely it must give anyone pause to think.
You say that Adventists are stale. That their eschatology hasn't moved forward, and are stuck in an old rut going back 100 years or more.
Yet you are blind to the fact that all of the above harmonizes and lines up with the 150 year old eschatology of the Adventist church. Let me give you an example.
You say that Revelation 12 speaks of the earth as being the refuge for European protestantism, and that was America. That's Adventist core teaching. Adventists as you seem to be aware, also speak of protestant America as being the false prophet, the second beast of Revelation 13, that began as a lamb... Innocent like a lamb, having no ambitions toward greatness, but desiring only to be a sanctuary for the persecuted...having a constitution that stipulated a government without a king, protecting a religion without a Pope. Civil liberty, and religious liberty. Hence the 2 lamb like horns. Foundational principles of protestantism. And you are right. God blessed America. That beast however at some stage is said to speak like a dragon. The dragon operates under very different principles. It despises religious liberty. It repudiates the principles of the Constitution. It operates best under a union of church and state. Just like in the middle ages in Europe.
PROJECT 2025 is at it's core, a mandate for protestant America to create an image to the Papal beast of the dark ages, a protestant version of a union of church and state, legislating and enforcing religious doctrine, the mark of the beast, and to "encourage" compliance, an accompanying "no-buy no-sell" law. Do you not see that conflict in American society, the widening division, the refusal of either side to give up entrenched positions and willing to go to war over it if necessary? How does what is actually taking place today differ from Adventist and biblical prophecy?
Hi Brakelite,
What is it specifically that you see Project 25 doing that's negative? I dont know much about it, but I've done a cursory reading of it and looked their sponsors, as well as their actual recommendations from 2017- and I see nothing at all close to "christianizing" america.
They actually are against control of our country by the UN. So far so good to me. 19 pages and the only thing I noticed that "could" be considered Christian was ending gender identity courses in our schools.
Have a look & tell me what you think the problem with them is?

 

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@Dave Watchman yet you cannot deny the fact that the occult elite in Luciferian circles have designated 2025 as the beginning of what Alice Bailey said almost 100 years ago, "the externalization of the hierarchy".
At the other end of the spectrum is the comparatively recent PROJECT 2025, a Christian conservative mandate for christianizing America through political efforts.
Add to that the culmination around 2025 of cyclical data in society such as the frequency of economic turn arounds, war, etc, and the think- tank's conclusions after studying data going back centuries, such as an impending 3rd world war, a nuclear event, a civil war in America, and an economic collapse, all of which are predicted by the WEF, and the subject of Jesuit theatre in Hollywood, then surely it must give anyone pause to think.
You say that Adventists are stale. That their eschatology hasn't moved forward, and are stuck in an old rut going back 100 years or more.
Yet you are blind to the fact that all of the above harmonizes and lines up with the 150 year old eschatology of the Adventist church. Let me give you an example.
You say that Revelation 12 speaks of the earth as being the refuge for European protestantism, and that was America. That's Adventist core teaching. Adventists as you seem to be aware, also speak of protestant America as being the false prophet, the second beast of Revelation 13, that began as a lamb... Innocent like a lamb, having no ambitions toward greatness, but desiring only to be a sanctuary for the persecuted...having a constitution that stipulated a government without a king, protecting a religion without a Pope. Civil liberty, and religious liberty. Hence the 2 lamb like horns. Foundational principles of protestantism. And you are right. God blessed America. That beast however at some stage is said to speak like a dragon. The dragon operates under very different principles. It despises religious liberty. It repudiates the principles of the Constitution. It operates best under a union of church and state. Just like in the middle ages in Europe.
PROJECT 2025 is at it's core, a mandate for protestant America to create an image to the Papal beast of the dark ages, a protestant version of a union of church and state, legislating and enforcing religious doctrine, the mark of the beast, and to "encourage" compliance, an accompanying "no-buy no-sell" law. Do you not see that conflict in American society, the widening division, the refusal of either side to give up entrenched positions and willing to go to war over it if necessary? How does what is actually taking place today differ from Adventist and biblical prophecy?
Nice wall of text. Paragraphs can be your friend. Maybe I make too many of them. Dr. Richard from Loma Linda emailed me his #.
@Dave Watchman yet you cannot deny the fact that the occult elite in Luciferian circles have designated 2025 as the beginning of what Alice Bailey said almost 100 years ago, "the externalization of the hierarchy".
At the other end of the spectrum is the comparatively recent PROJECT 2025, a Christian conservative mandate for christianizing America through political efforts.
Add to that the culmination around 2025 of cyclical data in society such as the frequency of economic turn arounds, war, etc, and the think- tank's conclusions after studying data going back centuries, such as an impending 3rd world war, a nuclear event, a civil war in America, and an economic collapse, all of which are predicted by the WEF, and the subject of Jesuit theatre in Hollywood, then surely it must give anyone pause to think.
You say that Adventists are stale. That their eschatology hasn't moved forward, and are stuck in an old rut going back 100 years or more.
I continue to insist we don't need secular think tanks. When they are saying 2025, I think it will happen another time, before then maybe. Like the video guy said, if we even have that long.
Yet you are blind to the fact that all of the above harmonizes and lines up with the 150 year old eschatology of the Adventist church. Let me give you an example.
You say that Revelation 12 speaks of the earth as being the refuge for European protestantism, and that was America. That's Adventist core teaching.
America is the "place prepared" by God Himself after the 1260 years in Revelation 12. And by default, that makes it a "holy place". When God does a thing it becomes holy, not that the thing is holy so that God does it.
Adventists as you seem to be aware, also speak of protestant America as being the false prophet, the second beast of Revelation 13, that began as a lamb... Innocent like a lamb, having no ambitions toward greatness, but desiring only to be a sanctuary for the persecuted...having a constitution that stipulated a government without a king, protecting a religion without a Pope. Civil liberty, and religious liberty. Hence the 2 lamb like horns. Foundational principles of protestantism. And you are right. God blessed America.
America is not the second beast from Revelation 13. I promise. This one I know. I wish I had more time to show it to you. Other people have found it. A couple ex-SDA's. A Baptist Minister spoke of it in a long PDF note from the early 1900's. If you've been parroting the SDA doctrine for 50 years, I imagine you're pretty much ingrained by now in it.

Daniel mentioned "beasts" as nations. Revelation mentions four beasts, and not one of them is a nation. The composite "beast" of Revelation 13, with 7 heads, and 10 horns, (mouth LIKE a Lion), is not a nation. It's a conglomerate cobbled together of the worlds governments and religions. A continuation of the one mentioned in the previous chapter 12 in verse 3, but with the crowns, the authority, moved from the heads to the horns. The Pope is not the antichrist anymore in our end time composite beast, it's city hall, who can make war with it? The authority has been transferred from the Pope in the middle ages, (religion), to the worlds governments which establish the transgressive laws. Like Marty Zweig said: "don't fight the Fed. Mouth "like" the Lion. But only the "Lion" of the Tribe of Judah can issue those types of commands. Out from His mouth comes the sharp sword.

The second beast's two horns is speaking to his two prophetic time periods of authority, his two visitations. Like the Lamb has two horns, two visitations, a first and a second coming, the second beast also has two horns like the Lamb, two times of authority. The first was, as you know, the 1260 years of Daniel 7, and Revelation 12, where he plucked up 3 by the roots, thought to change times and the law, and chased God's People through Medieval Europe. The second horn of the second beast is his end time prophetic time period of authority ending just now, the 42 months of Revelation 13.
That beast however at some stage is said to speak like a dragon. The dragon operates under very different principles.
He speaks like a dragon because he IS the Dragon. It's Satan, the beast that has ascended from the bottomless pit. It was never the Pope as the Antichrist. He was just the glove which the Dragon had his hand in.
Do you not see that conflict in American society, the widening division, the refusal of either side to give up entrenched positions and willing to go to war over it if necessary?
Conflict is all over the world now. The frog demons are already sent out to gather the kings of the earth for that Great Battle. It's not just American society. And they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. Conflict is baked in the cake Brother.
How does what is actually taking place today differ from Adventist and biblical prophecy?
Let's see. Failure to keep the Sabbath turned out not to be the mark of the Beast, the Pope turned out not to be the end time Antichrist, the second beast from Revelation 13 turned out to be Satan, not the USA, and don't get me started on what your video guy was about to say about the four horsemen.

You of all people must know that the Pope is not the Antichrist. The office of the Pope is just one of the 7 heads wounded by the sword during the French Revolution. He is a part of the antichrist system yes, which Satan gives his power, and his throne and his great authority to, but he's no capital "A" Antichrist. His house is falling apart now anyway, even with Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò being excommunicated.

In the end, I doubt this all matters that we understand it. Like Jesus said about us loving one another. That is how the world will know that we are His Disciples.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 
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Appreciate your response bro. However, I have never suggested in my 28 years as an Adventist that the Pope is the Antichrist. I don't think to my knowledge that the church itself ever has either. I believe it's the office. The throne. The system itself I believe, which includes the priesthood and it's ancillary ministries and traditions and hierarchy, which is Antichrist in that the entire philosophy, dogma , and system of atonement has been set in place, dispossessing Christ Himself of His rightful position as Savior, High Priest, and sole Mediator.
Yes, at the moment the whole Catholic Church may look shaky, but as we have been teaching for 140 odd years, it is the false prophet which helps to restore it's status by directing the world to once again worship and surrender individual sovereignty to it as in the dark ages. The new one world government about to be established will need a leader. It won't be Trump, or the General Secretary of the UN. The Pope, in the eyes of the ignorant masses, is the only one they believe has the moral and political and popular mandate to lead as spokesman. And yes, spokesman for Satan. The system, mystery Babylon the Great, a global union of church and state will for a brief period rule, placed there by protestant America. Do you remember the extravagant support the Pope was given by Copeland and his buddies several years back?
You are correct, we don't need references to 2025 in order to sustain our eschatology. But they are surely a very real and visible signpost that the final days are here.
And here is their main site --------and heritage foundation which organized it.



I have had that web site on my home page for a couple of years. It is Christian nationalism. I have no argument against Christians serving in government. God bless every one of them. I do have serious misgivings when Christians in government establish Christian laws. What particular brand of Christianity will those laws reflect? When they determine to infuse society with Christian values through political influence and the state legislature how is that different to what took place in the dark ages when the papacy had such influence with the kings and queens and rulers of Europe so much so that Catholicism became the only legal religion? We all know the result of that. Persecution and even war.
When the Heritage Foundation determines to bring Christian values into society, through a right wing conservative government, who determines what is Christian? Who determines whether the laws that are used to bring about "conservative Christian values" into society are actually biblically based? All laws by their very mature must provide penalties for those who refuse to obey them. What will those penalties be, and if Christians disagree with the version of Christianity being legislated, what recourse will they have to object? After all, if the Constitution itself is being repudiated by the very nature of a union of church and state, whose side will the courts be on if not the government?

 
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Appreciate your response bro. However, I have never suggested in my 28 years as an Adventist that the Pope is the Antichrist. I don't think to my knowledge that the church itself ever has either. I believe it's the office. The throne. The system itself I believe, which includes the priesthood and it's ancillary ministries and traditions and hierarchy, which is Antichrist in that the entire philosophy, dogma , and system of atonement has been set in place, dispossessing Christ Himself of His rightful position as Savior, High Priest, and sole Mediator.
Yes, at the moment the whole Catholic Church may look shaky, but as we have been teaching for 140 odd years, it is the false prophet which helps to restore it's status by directing the world to once again worship and surrender individual sovereignty to it as in the dark ages. The new one world government about to be established will need a leader. It won't be Trump, or the General Secretary of the UN. The Pope, in the eyes of the ignorant masses, is the only one they believe has the moral and political and popular mandate to lead as spokesman. And yes, spokesman for Satan. The system, mystery Babylon the Great, a global union of church and state will for a brief period rule, placed there by protestant America. Do you remember the extravagant support the Pope was given by Copeland and his buddies several years back?
I believe SDA doctrine has this all wrong and overly complicates the matter. The RCC or papal system is not Babylon. It is instead one of the many harlots who have Mystery Babylon as their mother. The RCC is not the mother of ALL harlots. Please think about this. Is the RCC the mother of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.? No. Is the RCC "the hold of EVERY foul spirit and a cage of EVERY unclean and hateful bird (Rev 18:2)? No. Does the RCC reign over the kings of the earth" No.

The great city Mystery Babylon should be seen as the spiritual opposite of the holy city, the heavenly new Jerusalem, which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife. The church. All believers are spiritual citizens of the heavenly new Jerusalem while all unbelievers are spiritual citizens of Mystery Babylon.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Is this only asking people in the RCC to come out of her? No. I believe we need to use scripture to interpret scripture here. I believe it is talking about the same thing as what Paul wrote about here:

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I believe Mystery Babylon is an all-encompassing spiritual entity. All "unbelievers" are its citizens and we should not be unequally yoked with them. It is the mother of ALL harlots (Rev 17:5), of which the RCC is one. It is the mother of all false religions, cults, secular philosophies, etc. It represents everything that involves "unrighteousness" and opposes God, not just the false teaching of the RCC. We (the church) are the temple of God and Mystery Babylon is the temple of Satan. It represents all of the false religious organizations who have Satan as their leader. God says to "come out of her" and Paul said to "come out from among them". From among who? As Paul talked about, unbelievers. Those who practice unrighteousness. Infidels. Idol worshipers. People are not being called out of just the RCC, but out of all false religion and philosophies that unbelievers are part of.
 
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The RCC or papal system is not Babylon. It is instead one of the many harlots who have Mystery Babylon as their mother. The RCC is not the mother of ALL harlots. Please think about this. Is the RCC the mother of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.? No. Is the RCC "the hold of EVERY foul spirit and a cage of EVERY unclean and hateful bird (Rev 18:2)? No. Does the RCC reign over the kings of the earth" No.
Bingo. Well said. Rarely can I find a note that I can't find fault with.
The great city Mystery Babylon should be seen as the spiritual opposite of the holy city, the heavenly new Jerusalem, which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife. The church. All believers are spiritual citizens of the heavenly new Jerusalem while all unbelievers are spiritual citizens of Mystery Babylon.
Bingo again. It's like a Tale of Two Cities. The Bride, and the Harlot. It's like you're reading my mind. Spooky.
I believe Mystery Babylon is an all-encompassing spiritual entity. All "unbelievers" are its citizens and we should not be unequally yoked with them. It is the mother of ALL harlots (Rev 17:5), of which the RCC is one. It is the mother of all false religions, cults, secular philosophies, etc. It represents everything that involves "unrighteousness" and opposes God, not just the false teaching of the RCC. We (the church) are the temple of God and Mystery Babylon is the temple of Satan. It represents all of the false religious organizations who have Satan as their leader. God says to "come out of her" and Paul said to "come out from among them". From among who? As Paul talked about, unbelievers. Those who practice unrighteousness. Infidels. Idol worshipers. People are not being called out of just the RCC, but out of all false religion and philosophies that unbelievers are part of.
I think I tried to word it out in 2021, I'm not as good a writer as you:
This is a global event. The great city is not a specific city on earth. It's not Rome. It's not Jerusalem. It's not New York. It would be fun to think all the bad stuff will happen somewhere over the hills and far away. The great city is the synagogue of Satan, the congregation of the wicked. It's the kingdom of the rebels, when the rebels have become completely wicked.

It's the wicked mob of people jeering and screaming: "crucify Him. crucify Him, that is where our Lord was crucified.

The "great city" is Lucifer's theocratic government.

"And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain.
At the end of the end time tribulation, there will be only two types of people on Earth. It's a tale of two cities. A city is made up of citizens. It's more about the people, the inhabitants of the city, than an actual location on earth. The people are what makes the city. At the seventh trumpet there will be God's People, and the rest of the dead who are the lost, Satan's People. Satan will have made himself a line of demarcation, separating the nations, the seas, from God's holy mountain, God's People.

Then God's People are ALL changed in the blink of an eye and find themselves in the air while ALL of the tribes remaining on the earth will mourn, they are dead men walking.
And in 2022. I think the SDA's have a lot of the end time doctrine, for the most part, correct. Most importantly the identification of that "head" wounded by the sword during the French Revolution. Once we see that head was the Pope getting thrown in jail, dying soon after and then the Vatican getting closed down, we know that the other 6 heads must be something of the same kind, i.e. the other main religious authorities in the world.
The "five" religious belief systems who were fallen, or proved false, in AD 95 after Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection were:

1) Atheism
2) Paganism
3) Eastern Mysticism
4) Islam
5) Judaism

While the angel spoke with John, the early Christian church was just forming and was what was being refereed to at that time as the one that "is", which, I hope we can figure out at this time now, as the one healed from a mortal wound:

6) Catholicism
The "the other has not yet come, (IN AD95), and when he does come he must remain only a little while" arose in the middle ages thanks to the reformers like Martin Luther in 1517 and is known as:

7) Protestantism
Now all seven of these "kings" have "fallen", and have found their home as a part of Revelation's composite beast and are now controlled by the 8th "king" which is the "harlot" that rides the beast, Lucifer's theocratic church/state, the great city.
Thanks for the thread Brakelite.

I wish I had more time to talk to you guys,

Thanks for the post Israelite.
 

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Appreciate your response bro. However, I have never suggested in my 28 years as an Adventist that the Pope is the Antichrist. I don't think to my knowledge that the church itself ever has either. I believe it's the office. The throne. The system itself I believe, which includes the priesthood and it's ancillary ministries and traditions and hierarchy, which is Antichrist in that the entire philosophy, dogma , and system of atonement has been set in place, dispossessing Christ Himself of His rightful position as Savior, High Priest, and sole Mediator.
Yes, at the moment the whole Catholic Church may look shaky, but as we have been teaching for 140 odd years, it is the false prophet which helps to restore it's status by directing the world to once again worship and surrender individual sovereignty to it as in the dark ages. The new one world government about to be established will need a leader. It won't be Trump, or the General Secretary of the UN. The Pope, in the eyes of the ignorant masses, is the only one they believe has the moral and political and popular mandate to lead as spokesman. And yes, spokesman for Satan. The system, mystery Babylon the Great, a global union of church and state will for a brief period rule, placed there by protestant America. Do you remember the extravagant support the Pope was given by Copeland and his buddies several years back?
You are correct, we don't need references to 2025 in order to sustain our eschatology. But they are surely a very real and visible signpost that the final days are here.

I have had that web site on my home page for a couple of years. It is Christian nationalism. I have no argument against Christians serving in government. God bless every one of them. I do have serious misgivings when Christians in government establish Christian laws. What particular brand of Christianity will those laws reflect? When they determine to infuse society with Christian values through political influence and the state legislature how is that different to what took place in the dark ages when the papacy had such influence with the kings and queens and rulers of Europe so much so that Catholicism became the only legal religion? We all know the result of that. Persecution and even war.
When the Heritage Foundation determines to bring Christian values into society, through a right wing conservative government, who determines what is Christian? Who determines whether the laws that are used to bring about "conservative Christian values" into society are actually biblically based? All laws by their very mature must provide penalties for those who refuse to obey them. What will those penalties be, and if Christians disagree with the version of Christianity being legislated, what recourse will they have to object? After all, if the Constitution itself is being repudiated by the very nature of a union of church and state, whose side will the courts be on if not the government?

I'm not sure why you replied to me about the pope? I dont recall mentioning him. Did you mean someone else?
only the 2nd paragraph to me?
Where did they establish Christian laws? It seems to me that is about fear. Fear that they will end up establishing a sunday only worship law? That's not going to happen despite SDA fears. FREEDOM of religion is Constitutional- they are for the Constitution. We need not to read into things that are not there.
I dont see anything proposed in the link I gave you that isnt GOOD for this nation. They are fighting against things that are bringing us down, specifically what I mentioned about the UN also. Did you read it? What do you disagree with?!!
I know that the left hates Project 25. surprise? What does the left like that is good?
 

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And it's Amazing, how I've done my eschatology, is that I can listen to everyone. I can consider everyone. Then I decide who's correct. If no man can know the day or the hour, not even the Son of Man, I don't think I need a think tank from the 90's. Like Richard Ruhling said when someone mentioned a dream they had, "I prefer to stay with the Bible.
I agree. The elite cult does have a plan. But they aren't God. They make a plan for 2020, then have to rearrange and plan out further... 2025, 2030 ...but eventually, most of their goals are accomplished. Only God knows how this thing will play out and when. But Jesus said we'll know the season. He told us what to look for. Anyone can see things are coming to a head at a faster rate than ever.
 

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I think last night's assassination attempt on former president Trump is a fitting lead in to the following video. I invite admin to view video first in case it doesn't harmonize with community guidelines.
I watched it. He is very much on target and more prepared and informed than 90% of the world. I disagree on a few points ...and there are some things he brings out that I can verify by personal experience (being raised under MK Ultra) ...things I experienced, heard, and saw.

But I really appreciate that he is warning folks and urging folks to keep their trust and their eyes on Christ.
 
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Here is a fascinating interview. It deals with some of what we have discussed here, but from an occult perspective.

It is also unashamedly adventist, and refers here and there to adventist understanding of biblical teaching. I believe @TLHKAJ you would likely find some of this disturbing, but familiar perhaps.

 
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Here is a fascinating interview. It deals with some of what we have discussed here, but from an occult perspective.

It is also unashamedly adventist, and refers here and there to adventist understanding of biblical teaching. I believe @TLHKAJ you would likely find some of this disturbing, but familiar perhaps.

Thank you, @Brakelite ...gonna watch this today!
 
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