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The 8th is of the 7. The 7 were heads.

No, they were kings not heads.


Mountains are Kingdoms.

They are areas where kingdoms are established.


The heads were symbolically slain.

No. Only one is said to be wounded but it heals. The other 6 were not harmed.



It’s not the 7th King that rules the beast, because then the 7th head would have a crown.

The heads are lands. The 7th king rules the beast kingdom because that kingdom is the 7th one. He becomes the 8th king. This is why teh FP has two little horns. He is the AC little horn and will be a king in two different ways.



It does not, none of the 7 heads have crowns because they all died.

You are confusing heads with kings. None of the heads are kings or ever were. They are land. Only the 7 kings of Rev 17 can come and then go through death. 6 have passed, we are waiting for the 7th king. All 7 heads exist as land and naturally exist right now. Likely they symbolize the 7 continents showing the beast rules the world.
 

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Revelation contradicts Daniels prophecies, not completes.

Differences between Daniels prophecies and what Revelation says:

Daniel wrote that the first 3 beasts live past the 4th beasts destruction. This doesn't happen in Revelation.

Daniel wrote that 3 horns are removed/plucked up from the 10 horned beast but in Revelation no horns are removed.

The beast is killed before being given to flame in Daniel but in Revelation 19 the beast is alive when cast into the lake of fire.

In Daniel the little horn is not a second beast but is part of the 4th beast. In Revelation there isn't just one beast, there are two. The False Prophet is not one of the heads or horns of the first beast but is a separate and different beast with it's own two horns.


These are the only differences I know of so far.

Daniel and Revelation are not the same books and same events. Similar imagery is used but the details are often opposite.
I won't argue with that. The Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:1) so whatever He tells us in the Revelation takes precedence over Daniel, i.e IF Daniel is speaking of the same things - which in parts it must be - the stone cut out without hands becoming a great mountain and filling the earth? Even so, we should not interpret the Revelation by Daniel, but vice-versa (assuming Daniel 2, 7 and 12 also include the end times before the return of Christ).
 

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John's (The Beast) in Revelation chapter 13 will be a future literal human man, that is described with personal pronouns, He, His, Him
It's not a personal pronoun in the Greek that the KJV is translated from. The word autós is like saying, "I saw this house. And autos had a massive double-door entrance, and autos had two floors above ground."

So the word "it" could be used instead of repeating "I saw this house. And the house had a massive double-door entrance, and the house had two floors above ground..."

The KJV chooses the personal pronouns "he, his" probably because the translators interpreted it as speaking of a man. A beast in the Bible is a kingdom, and a kingdom has a king. So the Revelation is telling us about a kingdom and its king, or "a kingdom and his king". Either word is correct, i.e, "it", or "he / his".

Your superstitious faith in the KJV has got you believing that wherever and whenever the original Greek texts disagree with the word chosen in the KJV, then the KJV is the Divinely inspired original text.
 

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It's not a personal pronoun in the Greek that the KJV is translated from. The word autós is like saying, "I saw this house. And autos had a massive double-door entrance, and autos had two floors above ground."

So the word "it" could be used instead of repeating "I saw this house. And the house had a massive double-door entrance, and the house had two floors above ground..."

The KJV chooses the personal pronouns "he, his" probably because the translators interpreted it as speaking of a man. A beast in the Bible is a kingdom, and a kingdom has a king. So the Revelation is telling us about a kingdom and its king, or "a kingdom and his king". Either word is correct, i.e, "it", or "he / his".

Your superstitious faith in the KJV has got you believing that wherever and whenever the original Greek texts disagree with the word chosen in the KJV, then the KJV is the Divinely inspired original text.

I don't believe the KJV is divinely inspired. A male pronoun does not mean the thing is a human male. One needs to have some education in Greek grammar to understand that. Babylon is called female pronouns but she isn't human female. Neither is the ten horned beast a human man despite being referred to by male pronouns.
 

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It's not a personal pronoun in the Greek that the KJV is translated from. The word autós is like saying, "I saw this house. And autos had a massive double-door entrance, and autos had two floors above ground."

So the word "it" could be used instead of repeating "I saw this house. And the house had a massive double-door entrance, and the house had two floors above ground..."

The KJV chooses the personal pronouns "he, his" probably because the translators interpreted it as speaking of a man. A beast in the Bible is a kingdom, and a kingdom has a king. So the Revelation is telling us about a kingdom and its king, or "a kingdom and his king". Either word is correct, i.e, "it", or "he / his".

Your superstitious faith in the KJV has got you believing that wherever and whenever the original Greek texts disagree with the word chosen in the KJV, then the KJV is the Divinely inspired original text.
Who you trying to kid, he, his, him, are personal pronouns, and the KJV is the English language, are you a translator, smiles!
 

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The 8th is of the 7. The 7 were heads. Mountains are Kingdoms. The heads were symbolically slain. The King fell and the Kingdom. It’s not the 7th King that rules the beast, because then the 7th head would have a crown. It does not, none of the 7 heads have crowns because they all died. The crowns are on the horns after all 7 heads lose authority.
The head of the heads kings all died word salad, you have convinced nobody
 

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So the word "it" could be used instead of repeating "I saw this house. And the house had a massive double-door entrance, and the house had two floors above ground..."

The KJV chooses the personal pronouns "he, his" probably because the translators interpreted it as speaking of a man. A beast in the Bible is a kingdom, and a kingdom has a king. So the Revelation is telling us about a kingdom and its king, or "a kingdom and his king". Either word is correct, i.e, "it", or "he / his".

Your superstitious faith in the KJV has got you believing that wherever and whenever the original Greek texts disagree with the word chosen in the KJV, then the KJV is the Divinely inspired original text.
OH sure, use the counterfeit and corrupt bibles to claim your "It", No wonder why you hate the KJV 411 years and going strong

Revelation 13 :5-7KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

NIV Below, A Counterfeit Of God's True Words

Revelation 13:5-7NIV
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
 
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No, they were kings not heads.

The angel said they are also 7 mountains.

Focus on the mountain part first.

"This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.​

No. Only one is said to be wounded but it heals. The other 6 were not harmed.

Bingo! This is the big clue to get. Once we identify the wounded/healed one, the rest of them should fall into place. (The other 6 are of the same kind of thing as the wounded head).

The heads are lands.

The heads are not lands, sorry man.

All seven kings, mountains and heads are alive and with us now. Like a "fallen" woman, they have all been proved false. But every single person on the planet who has ever lived can trace a connection to one of these 7 things.

The 7th king rules the beast kingdom because that kingdom is the 7th one.

Nope. The 7th is the junior mountain, he started late and has only had a short time.

The beast kingdom, the kingdom of the transgressors, is being ruled now by the 8th king. The Dragon gives the composite beast his power and his throne and his great authority.

He becomes the 8th king.

In a way. The 8th king, Lucifer's theocratic government, has corrupted all of the previous 7 religious belief systems.

This is why teh FP has two little horns. He is the AC little horn and will be a king in two different ways.

I don't think so. I think that the FP, the Antichrist, AND the Dragon are all the same persona. They give the Devil many different names in the Bible as a way to describe the many evil roles that he plays. But Satan's house is NOT divided. They have over them only one king. The Destroyer, he was a Murderer from the beginning. For there is no truth in him.

I think the second beast speaks like a Dragon because he IS the Dragon. The two horns like a Lamb point to his two prophetic time periods of authority, 1st in the middle ages, 2nd one right now. Like the Lamb of God has been scheduled to make two visitations.

You are confusing heads with kings.

It's easy to do. There are also ten horns which we are told are ten kings which will have power for one hour. Horns and heads and mountains and kings, Oh My!

None of the heads are kings or ever were.

The heads are described as seven mountains and seven kings

All 7 heads exist as land and naturally exist right now.

You're right about the "right now" part.

Likely they symbolize the 7 continents showing the beast rules the world.

Not a bad idea, but the composite beast rises from the many peoples of the world. That's how the Devil took over. The people voted the 10 kings of the composite beast into power, they are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. (The beast that rises from the bottomless pit. This is Abaddon, the destroyer, the Antichrist, the Dragon and our Adversary) (Like a roaring lion)

The main thing is that this composite beast is happening now, it's not something happening 20 years from now. Price action makes for market commentary. (The prophetic time periods force the doctrine)

The first step that must be realized is non negotiable. It's a must. It's the main key to realizing what this composite beast is. That 6th head which was wounded by the sword and yet lives. At least once a week I hear the head of that outfit mentioned in the news. He started out as the early Christian Church, but was corrupted by the Dragon during the middle ages. Satan used the Catholic church like a hand in a glove to hit the Woman very hard during the Foxe Book days. In 1798, during the French Revolution, Napoleon closed the Vatican down. He arrested that Pope and after a torturous ride back to France, the Pope died in a jail cell. The Vatican didn't open for business again until 1929 when Mussolini got it going again at the Lateran treaty. When John sees the composite beast rise from the sea of many peoples in the end times, one of it's heads appears to have been healed from a wound.

The next hint is that all the seven heads have "blasphemous" names written on them, so this should navagate us to a religious orientation. And being able to identify the Catholic Church in the middle ages as the 6th head wounded by the sword, it should begin to make it easy to realize that the other six heads must be something of the same kind.

Seven Heads, Seven Kings, Seven Mountains.

Mountains = places where we get closer to God. Remember all the OT "high places" where they erected the asherah poles? Or the mount of transfiguration, Mount Moriah, Mount Zion, or God's Holy Hill. Mountains are where you build Temples. Remember the mount of the congregation from Isaiah 14? The place where God met with angels. It's to do with religion.

Seven Kings.

These are not the same as the ten kings who receive the royal power, the government power, for one hour. The seven kings are religious kings.

Look up "king" in the dictionary. A "king" is also something that is PREEMINENT in it's class. Elvis is the KING of rock and roll. Budweiser is the "king" of beers. The Pope is the king of Catholicism, like Martin Luther is the king of Protestantism and Islam is the king religion of the middle east.

When John spoke with the angel in AD95, he said 5 had fallen.

Be careful again with the terminology. "Fallen" doesn't always mean dead, in some cases, like with a "fallen woman", it can mean fallen from grace, or proved false. I like the "fallen woman" example especially as Revelation calls a church a "woman", a bad church a "harlot". Think of it like "fallen" church, or a "fallen" belief system.

"This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.​

The "five" religious belief systems who were fallen, or proved false, in AD 95 after Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection were:

1) Atheism
2) Paganism
3) Eastern Mysticism
4) Islam
5) Judaism

While the angel spoke with John, the early Christian church was just forming and was what was being refereed to at that time as the one that "is", which, I hope we can figure out at this time now, as the one healed from a mortal wound:

6) Catholicism
The "the other has not yet come, (IN AD95), and when he does come he must remain only a little while" arose in the middle ages thanks to the reformers like Martin Luther in 1517 and is known as:

7) Protestantism

Now all seven of these "kings" have "fallen", and have found their home as a part of Revelation's composite beast and are now controlled by the 8th "king" which is the "harlot" that rides the beast, Lucifer's theocratic church/state, the great city.

Fallen woman
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term fallen woman was used to describe a woman who has "lost her innocence", and fallen from the grace of God. In 19th-century Britain especially, the meaning came to be closely associated with the loss or surrender of a woman's chastity.

The term "fallen" was nevertheless most often conflated with sexual "knowledge" (i.e., experience), particularly for women at a time when the social value of their sexual inexperience was insisted upon. As the term narrowed to imply any socially unauthorized sexual activity, including premarital or extra-marital sex, whether initiated by the woman or not, it concealed the different reasons for such a "falling" out of God's and society's favor. "Fallen" was therefore an umbrella term that was applied to a variety of women in a variety of settings

Fallen woman - Wikipedia

"With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” ...​
 
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The heads are described as seven mountains and seven kings


Which should raise a red flag because symbols don't have two representations like that.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Here it is clear the 7 heads are mountains and are not also these 8 kings. They cannot be the same because the beast has all 7 heads at the same time. The 8 kings appear at different times, and by the end times 6 are fully gone with only two left come arise. There are also ever only 7 heads, not 8.
 

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The Final Gentile Global Leader.


We know from scripture where this Leader will arise and what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent.


His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)


Marilyn.

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Well biblically we do not know his nationality specifically, and the language of Micah does not lead to that conclusion, that is a guess.

But what we do know definitively is that teh Beast, aka the antichrist will be a ruler of the Romans. Now whether that is the Romans of Daniels day, Jesus day or of the end times I will not vewnture to say definitively but He will be a Roman ruler:

Dan. 9: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
 

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Well biblically we do not know his nationality specifically, and the language of Micah does not lead to that conclusion, that is a guess.

But what we do know definitively is that teh Beast, aka the antichrist will be a ruler of the Romans. Now whether that is the Romans of Daniels day, Jesus day or of the end times I will not vewnture to say definitively but He will be a Roman ruler:

Dan. 9: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

Hi Ronald,

Let`s look at Isaiah 31.

`So the Lord of Hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the Lord of Hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending, He will also deliver it; passing over, he will preserve it......Then the ASSYRIAN shall fall by a sword not of man...` (Isa. 31: 4 - 8)

Marilyn.
 

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Hi Ronald,

Let`s look at Isaiah 31.

`So the Lord of Hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the Lord of Hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending, He will also deliver it; passing over, he will preserve it......Then the ASSYRIAN shall fall by a sword not of man...` (Isa. 31: 4 - 8)

Marilyn.
You continue to post Isaiah 31:4-8 and highlight the word "Assyrian" as if you have a deadlock on the antichrist being "Assyrian"?

Marilyn Isaiah 31 speaks of a battle, it doesn't identify a ruler in Jerusalem fitting the description of the antichrist
 

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Judas was part of Christ's flock. He turned betrayer. There is only one man being spoken about in 2 Thessalonians 2 who is also being called the son of perdition in the N.T. You know that (because I already said so to you), and you also know that your question about whether Satan will possess every Christian is indeed flippant because you knew that I spoke about the son of perdition of 2 Thess 2 and compared only that one man with Judas.

Flippancy and pretense at asking 'innocent' questions with implied insinuations that the person you're asking means what you're asking even though you know perfectly well he does not, is the game I've seen you play before (more than once before) - like pretending you don't know what I meant in this case, and insinuating I meant something even though it's obvious I did not.

@marks Go converse with others here if you want to play games. I don't have the time for nonsense.

Not entering the conversation, just reading, but wanted to say, it’s helpful to me to see others who have discerned the same thing I have and it cheers me to know, amidst projection and gaslighting and all the useless ways we were taught, that I’m not crazy and really have seen what I’m sure I’ve seen.
If you have no clue what I’m talking about, just know that you’ve helped me. :)
 
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Not entering the conversation, just reading, but wanted to say, it’s helpful to me to see others who have discerned the same thing I have and it cheers me to know, amidst projection and gaslighting and all the useless ways we were taught, that I’m not crazy and really have seen what I’m sure I’ve seen.
If you have no clue what I’m talking about, just know that you’ve helped me. :)
That "Like" was an acknowledgement that I read and appreciate your post, but not a ganging up on someone or responding to what you said, otherwise we will be guilty of gossiping behind someone's back, and that will be sowing discord.
 
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You are confusing heads with kings. None of the heads are kings or ever were. They are land.
No, scripture teaches a head is both a capital city of the kingdom and its king. Evidenced in Isaiah 7:8-9

8For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. 9And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son.

The head: of Syria is Damascus and its head is Rezin. Just like of Babylonian Empire, its head is Babylon and the head of it was Nebuchadnezzar. Or the head of America is Washington DC and the head of it is Biden. Not only land.

Only one is said to be wounded but it heals. The other 6 were not harmed.
All 6 do not need to be revived. Only one needed to be in order for the beast to live for it “was and is not”. It was defeated by all heads being slain. Revelation 12:3 has crowns of authority on all 7 heads yet Revelation 13:1 has no crowns on any head and not the 7th head. None of the former heads have any authority because the horns have it. No head becomes the 8th and no man becomes the 8th. It is the beast of the sea itself that figuratively becomes the 8th (Revelation 17:11)
 
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The head of the heads kings all died word salad, you have convinced nobody
I don’t need to convince, the HS will do that if need be. Prophecy is a subject that comes to all who diligently search it in pieces over time. And you never answered my previous question or ones by others.
Btw, I’m glad nobody is convinced. How is he doing?
 

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Hi Ronald,

Let`s look at Isaiah 31.

`So the Lord of Hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the Lord of Hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending, He will also deliver it; passing over, he will preserve it......Then the ASSYRIAN shall fall by a sword not of man...` (Isa. 31: 4 - 8)

Marilyn.

And let us look at
Daniel 9:

: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

He ma7y be from the old Assyrian empire that was absorbed by Rome.

But your error is accepting a faulty English writing of the verse.

Isaiah 31:8 in the Hebrew does not contain a definite article nor is it a possessive so that it should be rendered Assyrian (one from Assyria) , it refers to Assyria.

Given Assyria ruled until the 6th Century B.C. and Isaiah prophesied around 700BC this is most likely a prophecy against the current Assyrian empire.
 

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No, scripture teaches a head is both a capital city of the kingdom and its king. Evidenced in Isaiah 7:8-9

Rev does not support that. It says a head is a mountain and horns are kings.




All 6 do not need to be revived.

None are written to be revived. The idea is spurious.
 

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Rev does not support that. It says a head is a mountain and horns are kings.

None are written to be revived. The idea is spurious.
You may not support it, but it exists.

What does “was and is not” mean to you? For me, it existed and is no more. Nazi Germany was and is not to us. It no longer exists, it was defeated/slain. Do you see the Babylonian empire and Nebuchadnezzar alive today? How about the others? Are those empires and Kings still alive? If authority is removed from a kingdom, and that kingdom is destroyed by another, what do you call that when it’s authority is gone?
 

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That "Like" was an acknowledgement that I read and appreciate your post, but not a ganging up on someone or responding to what you said, otherwise we will be guilty of gossiping behind someone's back, and that will be sowing discord.

I agree. And it’s a fallen human thing and a scale we all fall on somewhere and at times. And it’s with great difficulty and struggle that we begin to see it, learn how to turn from it as the useless way of life we were taught, and learn how God desires we cope with it. Actually, He uses it to break us and lead us to putting no confidence in our flesh or the flesh of others so we can be of use to Him.

I’m in a stage of accepting it as just how it is and that acceptance rather than defense takes away anger. The anger goes when you accept that it’s our condition and not just everyone else’s condition. It begins to make you understand why you must die so He can pour out of you.
 
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