What reason do people say you have to have faith in the bible?

[MatthewG]

Which is what I wrote.
I suspect t it is also what people used to mean when they talked about having faith in the bible, but that they were guilty of sloppy language and theo,ogy which corrupted those who followed them.

Could be, or a religious demanding person above them on the stage. I was thinking about stages earlier, or the "Looking down" photo shots of people, or in music videos. That stance is sometimes taken as "I am your God, or I am your king." Not always but in a sense is seen a "higher position."


I don't know. Is that what you are also saying?

 

[IndianaRob]

Okay. That's not even what the bible states though is it... The letter to the Hebrews says it's impossible to please God but by faith. That "He" exists. I agree with you that you are able to trust the bible. I love the fact it is even in existence. Thank you for your comment IndianaRob.

Actually the Bible does say the scriptures are the spirit of Christ. Unless of course you think the spirit of Christ is an “it” rather than a he. :)

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

 

[MatthewG]

Actually the Bible does say the scriptures are the spirit of Christ. Unless of course you think the spirit of Christ is an “it” rather than a he. :)

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

I don't disqualify what is said here. It entails the greatest of faith, and how the Spirit of Christ in them, showed the pictures and types founded in the old testament concerning the sufferings of the messiah.

That is really cool. Thank you for that IndianaRob. Even before they knew Yeshua, I suppose the spirit of Christ was in them, and if you go on further down, also the 12 to whom it was revealed, that not to themselves, but to us they were ministering these, which now were told to you (through those who did proclaim good news to you,) in the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, to which things messengers do desire to bend looking.

I agree that the old testament is "God breathed" and men by the Holy Spirit of God, wrote concerning him, but that doesn't mean that "The Bible is the Spirit of Christ."


The bible is not the "Spirit of Christ", The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of Christ, which is much greater than a book and also lives within believers like yourself today, which you choose to have faith upon.

 

[IndianaRob]

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I don't disqualify what is said here. It entails the greatest of faith, and how the Spirit of Christ in them, showed the pictures and types founded in the old testament concerning the sufferings of the messiah.

That is really cool. Thank you for that IndianaRob. Even before they knew Yeshua, I suppose the spirit of Christ was in them, and if you go on further down, also the 12 to whom it was revealed, that not to themselves, but to us they were ministering these, which now were told to you (through those who did proclaim good news to you,) in the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, to which things messengers do desire to bend looking.

I agree that the old testament is "God breathed" and men by the Holy Spirit of God, wrote concerning him, but that doesn't mean that "The Bible is the Spirit of Christ."


The bible is not the "Spirit of Christ", The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of Christ, which is much greater than a book and also lives within believers like yourself today, which you choose to have faith upon.

Did the Spirit of Christ (the person) tell you the Bible was not the Spirit of Christ?

 

[MatthewG]

Did the Spirit of Christ (the person) tell you the Bible was not the Spirit of Christ?

A Spirit is a Spirit, and the Spirit of Christ, is what we learn about from Yeshua, and how he was towards others and by his spirit we live. The holy Spirit of Yahavah I consider an "it." Not him, even though it is the Spirit of Christ which we live by, and it is the holy spirit of God which we can ask Yahavah to help us by.



Do you have any more questions? The Holy Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ, are exceedingly synonymous with one another, @IndianaRob

 

[Jericho]

Those ten commandments were given to the nation of Israel, nor America or anything. Yes, I do believe that the bible is useful.

Moral laws are universal. If something was morally wrong in the Old Testament, like murder or theft, it's still wrong today.

Does these comments make sense or are they just abunch of garbage cause I would really like to know from both of you.

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. Your profile says Christian. May I ask how long you've been a Christian and what exactly you believe? It might help in how I respond to your questions.

 

[MatthewG]

Moral laws are universal. If something was morally wrong in the Old Testament, like murder or theft, it's still wrong today.

Thank God for the Lord Yeshua, having completed those laws. You're right in America you go to jail for murder. The only 2 that remains, of course is to Love Yahavah first and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. Your profile says Christian. May I ask how long you've been a Christian and what exactly you believe? It might help in how I respond to your questions.

I don't feel obligated to really go into anything other than yes, I do believe in the Lord Yeshua, who was risen again from the dead by the holy spirit of Yahavah.

Thank you, for your comments.

Blessings, to all.

 

[Bob Estey]

I thought it was faith in Jesus??

It's really weird to be faithful to a book that talks about the death, burial, resurrection, accession, and return and victory of Jesus Christ.

The Bible is a collection of Letters over time. What authority/proof do you have to say it's written to anyone today?

All the Apostles that witness Jesus Christ, and his resurrection, Acsenison, and I believe even some were caught up when Yeshua had returned before the destruction of Jerusalem had come...


They are all dead. Where is anyone in authority that I must place my faith in the bible, and not Jesus?

I agree with some of what you are saying, but not all. Indeed, it is Jesus, not the Bible, that we should be focused on, I believe. I fear many use the Bible as a crutch. They need to remember these words of Jesus:

[39] You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
[40] yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. John 5:39-40 RSV

However, I believe what was true when the Bible was written is still true today.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Could be, or a religious demanding person above them on the stage. I was thinking about stages earlier, or the "Looking down" photo shots of people, or in music videos. That stance is sometimes taken as "I am your God, or I am your king." Not always but in a sense is seen a "higher position."


I don't know. Is that what you are also saying?

I was thinking of people using loose language about Jesus and the bible, leading to equally loose belief about Jesus etc.

 

[MatthewG]

I was thinking of people using loose language about Jesus and the bible, leading to equally loose belief about Jesus etc.

Like facebook quotes, or churches that barely use the bible to help people build up their faith"?

 

[JohnDB]

I thought it was faith in Jesus??

It's really weird to be faithful to a book that talks about the death, burial, resurrection, accession, and return and victory of Jesus Christ.

The Bible is a collection of Letters over time. What authority/proof do you have to say it's written to anyone today?

All the Apostles that witness Jesus Christ, and his resurrection, Acsenison, and I believe even some were caught up when Yeshua had returned before the destruction of Jerusalem had come...


They are all dead. Where is anyone in authority that I must place my faith in the bible, and not Jesus?

Because Jesus became one of us....
Experienced what it was like to be one of us....
Understands our failings, trials, and troubles...

He has used his power to ensure we have a Bible to this day.
God is omnipotent and omniscient.
Meaning only God himself could have e preserved his words to us. And He has because ALL that is said about God's goodness and kindness is true.

I don't worship the Bible, I worship the one who made it possible for me to look at it today with total confidence.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for sharing JohnDB,

Your comment reminds me of what is said concerning Yeshua, the Word became flesh, born of the spirit.

Hebrews 2: (The writer of Hebrews wrote to his audience in that day.)
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.