What reason do people say you have to have faith in the bible?

[MatthewG]

Use the written word as a quality-control check.

I hope you'll pardon me for being a little bit cynical when it comes to claims of "living by the spirit".

But then, I could be wrong. You won't go broke betting on me being wrong about spiritual things.

Written word, is a more formal saying for sure. No be as cynical and as skeptical as you want. From my perspective, the Bible, or written word is extremely valuable. Are you saying we do not live by the written word, but we actually live by the holy spirit which God gives to individuals who believe in his death, burial, resurrection - which can included the acension even return of the Lord Yeshua.

There are many people who are thrown a curve, when that beliving Jesus had already came, is something that is possible by faith.

This is a very good topic. Of course, one's perception of the Bible has a lot to do with where they are in the maturing process of being a Christian. They acceptance scale of their faith will vary dramatically.

Would that because of the way that the written word is taught? I watched a 2 hour video from a local church the other day, and all it was very little reading, a pastor just walking around speaking kind of on how he felt at the time, and it reminded me of the first time I went to a pentacostal church seeing them sing, and then having people falling out on the floor.

Those things scared me as a child.

My faith is in God (Yahweh) and His Son (Yeshua). God sent me to someone who eventually got me to church. I am an "investigator" by nature, so I started investigating. The things I discovered would be very frustrating to many, and it was to me as well.

That is the most important thing, investigation and not taking a pastor(s) word for what they say. I've heard the truth will set you free but it's possible it will piss you off first.

Many years later, and a seminary degree, did not answer all my questions. The bible is a book made of writings that span four thousand years, so it is difficult to understand. Of course, the proof of that is how many translators choose different words and add punctuation that varies our understanding. I delved deep into hermeneutics and purchased other references and software programs to enable myself to see if I could find "truth."

Absolutely.

Now, the short version of where I am is "my faith is in God" who created the world we live in. The bible is a pathway to understanding, but not the end-all without knowledge of topics that clarify how to understand what was written. To try to establish truth without that understanding is why we have so many denominations. Those studies are man-centered. There is but one truth, and we must invest our time to diligently seek God's truth. That is what will set us free.

Praise be! That's is why all us can get a long and share our differing views however to be dogmatic isn't that a problem? doesn't that cause issues and frictions like the moving plates of earth that cause earthquakes?

Discovering all this shook up my whole world. It was painful for me then, and it still is to some degree. That part that will seem strange to people is that this discovery has drawn me closer to God and my faith in Him has increased. The bible is a resource, but not the only one.

I would agree there are many different authors out there to consider history to consider, but in the end you have to consider what is truth to you? Myself I am right there with you, drawing closer to God and having faith, in Yahavah/Yahweh, and looking to his Son, picking up the cross and continuing to move forward even if someone disagrees with what you may have concerning your perspective. There are people who try to cause harm and make people lose faith, but there is nothing wrong with believing what the bible entails, concerning those people at the time, and continue to have faith until the end of your life wouldn't you say?

Which is greater, the Word, or the God who inspired the Word? Echo of Matthew 23:17-22 from The Word intentional.

(See, I can play both sides of this one.)

Depends, there are people out there that do not know about Jesus, but they continue to have faith in Yahavah, they do so by the evidences they see and in their heart see there is something greater than them, they probably don't even worry about Jesus coming back, and they live their life, having faith in Yahavah, and at the end of their life, lived a life of faith and love. What say you? I love the bible it's wonderful.

 

[MatthewG]

We all have faith in many things,, every time you f,ick a light switch, start your car, go to pay using a card one has faith it will work.

Faith/trust in the bible for what?

That it is the authoritative, reliable word of God, why don't you trust it to be that.

I trust the bible as a reliable source of knowledge concerning Yahweh/Yahavah, dealing with mankind, and even more about Jesus, but knowledge is not what gets us to Yahavah. It's always faith, but not in the bible, in Him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

if we can not trust the word. we can not trust anything. God gave us the word as a check and ballance.

I like how put put it.

Acts 17:11
These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I trust the bible as a reliable source of knowledge concerning Yahweh/Yahavah, dealing with mankind, and even more about Jesus, but knowledge is not what gets us to Yahavah. It's always faith, but not in the bible, in Him.

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

when you have faith in the word. You have faith in God..

 

[Rita]

False accusations and slander is not acceptable on here.

Do you favor and agree with @MatthewG's false accusations on here???

If you make a report I suggest you leave it with us to deal with and don’t try to bring me into the argument

Moving this thread is the SAME as moving the goalposts in an attempt to be proven 'right'.

This is Matthews thread, therefore moving it at his request is allowed.

 

[David in NJ]

If you make a report I suggest you leave it with us to deal with and don’t try to bring me into the argument

This is Matthews thread, therefore moving it at his request is allowed.

His movement is to protect himself as a way to 'report' people who disagree with him.

You should of recognized that, since it is dishonest in this aspect = moving the goal-posts to have your(Matthew) way.

 

[David in NJ]

Who says have faith in your Bible? It is have faith in Jesus, Believe in Jesus.

I also believe that the Bible is God's word and so is true. It is the word of God and His word will not come back to Him void. Scripture says, ...the word of God will never pass away...So I have enough faith to believe that, God has the ability to get a decent copy of His word into my hands over the ages. Is anything too hard for God? And when all this is over a lot of people are going to realize that one of their biggest mistakes was not believing His word is true.

I was self employed in my trade before retirement and there was a "slow time of the year" for me. There I was, broke and I just ran out of coffee. To top that off, I had company on the way over, lol!

I had no work scheduled or money. I sat down and I was going to pray, Lord send me some money I need groceries or send me some work...But before I began praying, I remembered that scripture that says, do not worry about what you will eat or drink for the Lord knows your needs before you ask Him...and so, I thought oh yeah that's true so I dont need to pray for coffee, and I did not pray for coffee or anything. His word says, I dont have to!

Me and my friends were all coffee drinkers and that was my thing. I'll make some coffee. Not this time, lol! Things happen. That's life. About 30 minutes later my friend shows up at my door, and the very first thing he did was to hand me a 2 LB sack of coffee beans. I brought you a gift and know you like coffee! My friend did not know I was out of coffee. I did not tell him. I also did not pray for coffee! I was about to but stopped and did not because it says, no problem I already know you're out of coffee (Lol). And I most certainly did not pray nor tell my friend I was out. So what happened there??.....??

By deciding to not pray for money for coffee I was standing on His Word instead that says, God already knows what we need even before we ask him and dont worry about what you will eat or drink or wear. So I was acting in faith on His word. I stood on His word and didnt pray for coffee because it says I dont have to! And it was that acting in faith on His word is the reason God said, Deliver Ed some coffee!

My friend didnt even know that he was running an errand for the Lord! I stood on God's word in faith and God showed me that it is true. That was no coincidence! There is no such thing as a coincidece on this planet, only God Incidences.

That is my all time favorite Testimony (and was the condensed version!). Because think about it, the Almighty Creator of the Universe delivered me Coffee!!!! That sure was nice of the Lord to do that for me. I have tis host mode when company comes over and I was feeling bad that I wouldnt be able to fix my friend a cup of Jo! But as it turned out I did get to play host and fix us some coffee, lol!

The Bible is our Field Manual in this earthly boot camp of the Kingdom of God. The book is our road map to find God. I believe that the very essence of the Lord is in this book in His words. The book is inanimate but when you pick it up and begin reading it, it will touch you in your heart and speak to you. Reading the word is like looking into a mirror! And when you yourself are stirred in your heart...The Holy Spirit will come and begin to talk to you. Listen for Him. But it is you and the Holy Spirit where there is communication that guides you to the Lord Jesus. The Holy Spirits job is to lead you into all truth. So we go, Bible/Holy Spirit/ Jesus/ The Father.

The Word of God was written over a time period of about 2000 years by 40 different authors. It is a very necessary ite for us to have and to study. I like to do my reading first thing in the morning when I'm freshly rested and clear headed.

This allows me to look at my soul and consider it's present condition in the mirror of the Bible. Connect with the Holy Spirit, meditate a bit on scriptures and apply the biblical principles to my life. A good way to start the day.

I cant understand how so many Christians do not read their Bibles and bicker about oh the translators messed up the bible so you cant trust it anymore?? When it is clearly still very able to touch you with what it has and the Lord is there watching and the Holy Spirit will come when you start reading His word.

If you dont have faith to believe in the Bible, then what is it about God that you do believe? Those Christians are going to mighty embarassed on the last day when Jesus says, so...did you read my Book?

Remember that verse that says dont worry about what you will say, the Holy Spirit will give you what to say? (Something like that). do you think if you never read the bible that the Holy Spirit will be able to bring to your rememberance what to say...when you never even read it cover to cover before...!! We have to do our part. We have a very minor role to play which is highly essentiall to Gods plan!

God is the power but we are the data entry clerk. You have to read it cover to cover at least once so it goes into your brain and then the Holy Spirit can bring it to your rememberance! Our other major/minor role to play is dont upon our knees in prayer.

@MA2444 says: "I was self employed in my trade before retirement and there was a "slow time of the year" for me. There I was, broke and I just ran out of coffee. To top that off, I had company on the way over, lol!"

Well, i see that in this aspect of your life = we are twins!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

His movement is to protect himself as a way to 'report' people who disagree with him.

You should of recognized that, since it is dishonest in this aspect = moving the goal-posts to have your way.

two wrongs do not make a right., If he is wrong. then report it and let the mods handle it.

You continuing to go off on @Rita is not the answer

 

[Rita]

His movement is to protect himself as a way to 'report' people who disagree with him.

You should of recognized that, since it is dishonest in this aspect = moving the goal-posts to have your way.

Regardless of whether this is in the debate or general discussion, the subject can still be ‘ discussed ‘ and talked through. I will not be discussing this any further on here

 

[MatthewG]

if we can not trust the word. we can not trust anything. God gave us the word as a check and ballance.

I like how put put it.

Acts 17:11
These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

when you have faith in the word. You have faith in God..

Eternal, this thread is not about trusting the bible. Knowledge doesn't mean anything in the face of God. It's the faith that one has in him, and the evidence of his existence is founded by the creation of not only you as a human being, but also the sun, the moon, the stars... Let me ask, while indians had their own ideas and stuff, did the know about Yeshua? Did they just believe you know everything came from someone above them, and they just kind of did their own thing.


What do you think about that, cause I like to remind you that not everyone knows about Jesus, per say... I know the bible. I trust the bible as a source of reliable information.

This topic is why do people say you have to have "faith" in the bible, nothing to do with trusting it.


While you can know many things and be an expert in theology, those things are not even on the same level as literally placing your faith every single day on a Living God. That same Living God, or Living Yahweh the God of Israel, is given his spirit in the hearts of those who are his. And faith is what pleases Yahavah, not knowing the bible... while it is most certainly useful.


Living by loving God, and loving others, in faith to him, every single day... is what is pleasing to him.

 

[David in NJ]

Regardless of whether this is in the debate or general discussion, the subject can still be ‘ discussed ‘ and talked through. I will not be discussing this any further on here

ABSOLUTELY
Thank You

 

[David in NJ]

two wrongs do not make a right., If he is wrong. then report it and let the mods handle it.

You continuing to go off on @Rita is not the answer

Please show where i "went off on Rita"

 

[David in NJ]

Please show where i "went off on Rita"

PM is probably better - yes/no?

 

[MA2444]

@MA2444 says: "I was self employed in my trade before retirement and there was a "slow time of the year" for me. There I was, broke and I just ran out of coffee. To top that off, I had company on the way over, lol!"

Well, i see that in this aspect of your life = we are twins!

What was your trade in your business?

 

[MatthewG]

Eternal, this thread is not about trusting the bible. Knowledge doesn't mean anything in the face of God. It's the faith that one has in him, and the evidence of his existence is founded by the creation of not only you as a human being, but also the sun, the moon, the stars... Let me ask, while indians had their own ideas and stuff, did the know about Yeshua? Did they just believe you know everything came from someone above them, and they just kind of did their own thing.


What do you think about that, cause I like to remind you that not everyone knows about Jesus, per say... I know the bible. I trust the bible as a source of reliable information.

This topic is why do people say you have to have "faith" in the bible, nothing to do with trusting it.


While you can know many things and be an expert in theology, those things are not even on the same level as literally placing your faith every single day on a Living God. That same Living God, or Living Yahweh the God of Israel, is given his spirit in the hearts of those who are his. And faith is what pleases Yahavah, not knowing the bible... while it is most certainly useful.


Living by loving God, and loving others, in faith to him, every single day... is what is pleasing to him.

@Eternally Grateful Even loving people who desire to cause disturbances in our life, we have to bare however due to the internet you have the ability to ignore those who desire to be this way and not consider you as a living breathing human being, who has a soul just as them. That is not of faith, it's of the flesh, not of the holy spirit, it's just a desire to have control, and not everyone is mentally well, not even myself I have a difficult time with 15 conversations going on and disruption because of the voices in my own head due to Scitzophrenia it may not be voices but it's like all these pulls of differing ways to handle things it's really hard to bare some of the people on here, and I belive that even Jesus said, to his disciples back in that day you gotta kick the dirt off your feet and walk away, and that takes faith to leave them to the living Yahweh/Yahvah the God above all gods in his hands because sometimes you gotta throw your hands up and walk away from people.

I hope them all the best.

 

[David in NJ]

What was your trade in your business?

We are like the Apostle Paul who was a tentmaker and continued with it during his ministry.

My families financial support comes from my Tree Service business = i am a Arborist by Trade

Lift our family UP in prayer as i had hip surgery last year and for three years we barely got by!

Looking for another business since i am now 64 and youth has dissipated.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternal, this thread is not about trusting the bible. Knowledge doesn't mean anything in the face of God. It's the faith that one has in him, and the evidence of his existence is founded by the creation of not only you as a human being, but also the sun, the moon, the stars... Let me ask, while indians had their own ideas and stuff, did the know about Yeshua? Did they just believe you know everything came from someone above them, and they just kind of did their own thing.


What do you think about that, cause I like to remind you that not everyone knows about Jesus, per say... I know the bible. I trust the bible as a source of reliable information.

Romans 1 says they know of God, They may not know his earthly name. but they know him. I do not think knowing his name is what is important. Abraham did not know his name

This topic is why do people say you have to have "faith" in the bible, nothing to do with trusting it.

I have never heard this said before. so not sure what your asking

While you can know many things and be an expert in theology, those things are not even on the same level as literally placing your faith every single day on a Living God. That same Living God, or Living Yahweh the God of Israel, is given his spirit in the hearts of those who are his. And faith is what pleases Yahavah, not knowing the bible... while it is most certainly useful.

Agree

Living by loving God, and loving others, in faith to him, every single day... is what is pleasing to him.

Again agree.

But we should also grow and study to show ourself approved. a workman who needs not be ashamed. rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[MatthewG]

Romans 1 says they know of God, They may not know his earthly name. but they know him. I do not think knowing his name is what is important. Abraham did not know his name

Knowing again, doesn't mean anything. What was the conclusion here? They decided to go after other things, rather than "faith" and I suppose good faith, produces good trees right? The Holy Spirit will cause them to be patient with others, etc... They may not be so right on to go for the juggler or neck. It causes us not to go in on greediness, or desiring to lie and put down other people, or mock them or "insert matter here." While they know, great! That doesn't please Yahavah at all.

I have never heard this said before. so not sure what your asking

You have now.

Agree

Again agree.

But we should also grow and study to show ourself approved. a workman who needs not be ashamed. rightly dividing the word of truth.

That is subjective. I support anyone who desires to seek truth, and my hope is that the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, given to those who have faith, brings them around about to truth, even in the face of many oppositions.

Thank you for your replies.

 

[MA2444]

We are like the Apostle Paul who was a tentmaker and continued with it during his ministry.

My families financial support comes from my Tree Service business = i am a Arborist by Trade

Lift our family UP in prayer as i had hip surgery last year and for three years we barely got by!

Looking for another business since i am now 64 and youth has dissipated.

Wow, that's a hard trade. Many of my buddies in Colorado were Tree service guys. I've made it to their job sites one way or another a few times and watched those guys work. They worked harder than I did in my trade. They (semi) regularly got hurt too. It seems like one of them wa always hurt.

I will pray for you Brother. I am in ful agreement with you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Knowing again, doesn't mean anything. What was the conclusion here? They decided to go after other things, rather than "faith" and I suppose good faith, produces good trees right? The Holy Spirit will cause them to be patient with others, etc... They may not be so right on to go for the juggler or neck. It causes us not to go in on greediness, or desiring to lie and put down other people, or mock them or "insert matter here." While they know, great! That doesn't please Yahavah at all.

They have no excuse.

Again, I am not sure what you are trying to prove here.. I agree. people can come to God and get saved and never know the name of Jesus..

You have now.

Well one person does not make it a major issue..

That is subjective.

So a person studying to show themselves approved is subjective?

2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

we should not study? If we do not study, how are we going to know who is teaching us the right way and who is not?

I support anyone who desires to seek truth, and my hope is that the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, given to those who have faith, brings them around about to truth, even in the face of many oppositions.

I do to. And I will show them where they can find it. And tell them even if I say something, look it up. don;t take what I say as gospel truth. never trust any man

Thank you for your replies.

thank you