CharismaticLady
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I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. That all mankind since Adam are born sinful? Absolutely!
That Jesus DIDN'T take away our sin and in Him is still sin? Heresy!
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I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. That all mankind since Adam are born sinful? Absolutely!
That Jesus DIDN'T take away our sin and in Him is still sin? Heresy!
Why then did the apostle John include himself in those who are not without sin in 1 John 1:8, by using the word "we"?
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CharismaticLady
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It is a Jewish writing style. Paul did the same thing. Even in Romans 7:9 Paul was speaking in the first person present, but it would have Paul OVER 1300 YEARS OLD to be present before and after mankind received the law through Moses. Then in verses 14-25 he is still using the same tense as if he is still struggling. BUT then in the next chapter Romans 8:2 we see Paul being freed from the law of sin and death. "But the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed ME from the law of sin and death.
I can show you more on the writing styles of the Jews if you are open. You seem to want to know the truth, just have had some bad teachers.
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Yes, I would like to hear about this.
So, you are saying that there is miscommunication to the common reader when we read the Bible today?
CharismaticLady
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It seems to me like the gospel headed west rather than east from its conception.
So you're saying that God deliberately sent the gospel to an area where His word would not be understood correctly when taken at face value according to the thinking of those to whom that word was sent.
I'm not certain that I see that as being valid thinking.
I believe that the Lord loves us and would not send us a word in miscommunication. He is "the only wise God" (Jude 1:25)...why would He communicate something to us in western culture that can only be understood properly in Eastern culture?
Wouldn't it be wiser to send these words to people in eastern culture and send to the western culture words that would properly be understood by the western mind?
CharismaticLady
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I started getting interested in this back in the 1980's. I met a Dr. Roy Blizzard who with Dr. David Biven wrote a book called "Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus." I also signed up for a news letter from "Jerusalem Perspective." After that I saw a site called Semitic writing styles. Now, I can recognize these styles myself and no more does scripture seem to contradict itself. It is just these styles of writing. The two styles I'm most aware of is parallelisms and contrasts. I also read every book of the Bible in one sitting so as to not lose any context.
I'll come back later and show you the contrasts in 1 John.
I started getting interested in this back in the 1980's. I met a Dr. Roy Blizzard who with Dr. David Biven wrote a book called "Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus." I also signed up for a news letter from "Jerusalem Perspective." After that I saw a site called Semitic writing styles. Now, I can recognize these styles myself and no more does scripture seem to contradict itself. It is just these styles of writing. The two styles I'm most aware of is parallelisms and contrasts. I also read every book of the Bible in one sitting so as to not lose any context.
I'll come back later and show you the contrasts in 1 John.
CharismaticLady
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It is no secret. We just have to know how the author's thought. Study to make yourselves approved.
Talk to you later.
Why would God send a message of salvation that is commonly misunderstood by the common reader?
Does the Lord specifically not want people to understand His salvation message?
Does the Lord specifically not want people to understand His salvation message?
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CharismaticLady
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Hey, my mind is open enough...
But if you can't answer my questions, perhaps your position is faulty.
CharismaticLady
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You're sniping when you should be listening. Right now you haven't even seen anything to make such foolish comments about faulty positions. I thought you were seeking, but I won't waste my time sharing pearls with you. You've now proven to be immature in the things of the Lord.
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CharismaticLady
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I apologize. I was in debate mode and not fellowship mode when I made those "accusations".
CharismaticLady
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Debate mode? You mean carnal flesh mode. We can NEVER submit to the flesh, even in a debate. We all need to stop the sarcasm, stupid foundless accusations out of no where, and be open to being guided by the Holy Spirit. And if someone sees something good in you, don't try so hard to prove them wrong! I thought you wanted to know about Semitic writing styles. I was willing to teach you. It really opens up the Scriptures to their true meaning. Only then are there no contradictions. Only then can you appreciate the fact that Jesus was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. Only then can you give Jesus the honor He deserves, rather than believing He DID NOT accomplish what He was sent to free us from. SIN!
1 John 1:8 must be read in context. I like the Good News Translation for this.
5 Now the message that we have heard from his Son and announce is this: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him. 6 If, then, we say that we have fellowship with him, yet at the same time live in the darkness, we are lying both in our words and in our actions. 7 But if we live in the light—just as he is in the light—then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from every sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us. 9 But if we confess our sins to God, he will keep his promise and do what is right: he will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make a liar out of God, and his word is not in us.
That is an example of the Semitic writing style of contrasts. The black are those without the Spirit of Truth, that do not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9 If we confess, only then does He give us the power of the Spirit of Truth to walk in the Light of God. (Chapter three is written in the same style. (Not by verse number, but by thought. Chapter one from 5-10 is the contrast of light vs. darkness. Chapter 3 are contrasts between children of God and children of the devil)
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So, the apostle John is without the Spirit of truth? He says "we" here!
CharismaticLady
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So, the apostle John is without the Spirit of truth? He says "we" here!
It is a teaching tool, generally meaning mankind. Evidently you didn't read my explanation the first time. Or if you did, I guess you think Paul is over 1300 years old.
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Please don't be angry. I am merely taking a position in order to draw out your teaching.
By all means explain what you believe in; I am not opposed to hearing your pov.
But I believe that any valid pov will stand when subjected to the test of scrutiny.
So, expect the doctrine that you are building on the foundation of Jesus Christ to be tested with fire; in order that gold, sliver, and precious gems might remain.
By all means explain what you believe in; I am not opposed to hearing your pov.
But I believe that any valid pov will stand when subjected to the test of scrutiny.
So, expect the doctrine that you are building on the foundation of Jesus Christ to be tested with fire; in order that gold, sliver, and precious gems might remain.
CharismaticLady
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Ask yourself how much sin is left after 1 John 1:9. Then ask yourself if 1 John 1:8 would still be about you after 1 John 1:9? Did John ever do 1 John 1:9? If cleansed of all sin and unrighteousness, would you be more righteous to disagree with it and say you still have sin?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp the logic. This is why God says we are no longer sinners, but children of God.
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