What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

[Prayer Warrior]

What you have quoted (bolded) means that Adam's guilt is NOT imputed to others. Which almost all Christians believe.

But that is not the same as saying that Adam's disobedience did not have serious consequences for the human race: Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 5:12)

Thus all human beings are born with a sin nature, therefore all humans are sinners, and therefore all humans also die (physically), and if they remain unsaved, then they face the second death.

So it is not simply sinning that makes a person a sinner, but being born into the world automatically makes all human beings sinner. You were born a sinner before you committed a single sin. And you have Adam to thank for that.

Right, and Jesus Christ, God the Son, did NOT have a sin nature because He was NOT conceived of Adam's seed. Unlike the rest of us,
He was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Like I said earlier, Jesus was not a mere man who became God.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

What you have quoted (bolded) means that Adam's guilt is NOT imputed to others. Which almost all Christians believe.

But that is not the same as saying that Adam's disobedience did not have serious consequences for the human race: Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 5:12)

Thus all human beings are born with a sin nature, therefore all humans are sinners, and therefore all humans also die (physically), and if they remain unsaved, then they face the second death.

So it is not simply sinning that makes a person a sinner, but being born into the world automatically makes all human beings sinner. You were born a sinner before you committed a single sin. And you have Adam to thank for that.

LDS Christians agree with almost all of this. There are consequences for Adam’s fall. We all have the inclination for sin. But a newborn has no guilt from Adam ‘s actions

 

[Giuliano]

Where did you come up with this bizarre idea?

You know what I love about you? Your consistently insulting tone reveals exactly what you are. Why don't you pause and think a little before resorting to nastiness? Here is the passage -- and I do hope you don't think Jesus' face shone with physical light. But then maybe you also think Moses' face shone with physical light.

Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

You can just ask.
Otherwise, please stop with the pointless barbs.

I'll continue to say the truth, you can call it pointless barbs all you want, which is what you really f=did, not me.

LDS/Mormonism is not Christianity. Not even close.

Here are some things. Joseph Smith's "Bible" which was to replace the Scriptures is neither read nor used by Mormon's. The Book of Abraham, as well as The Book of Mormon, are both frauds. Joseph Smith was a polygamist and a criminal, and this is documented fact, he had a long trail of crimes, frauds. God did not reveal to him "the truth," and start the church all over again as he implies.

There is only salvation in the Christ of Scripture, and the "Christ" of Mormonism is not that Christ.

 

[Mjh29]

And that is the honest answer.

Then how do other Mormons know?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

With all possible respect,
I have literally addressed this point over 10 times now. I don’t see any profitability in doing so again.

All Mormon's do this, it is a well-known fact.

One has to convert them to their own religion (admittance) to see them come to Christ. Another well-known fact.

Oh, and I'm not against you as a person, just your teachings. Mormonism is not Christianity. That's where we can start and where I will stay.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I'll continue to say the truth, you can call it pointless barbs all you want, which is what you really f=did, not me.

LDS/Mormonism is not Christianity. Not even close.

Here are some things. Joseph Smith's "Bible" which was to replace the Scriptures is neither read nor used by Mormon's. The Book of Abraham, as well as The Book of Mormon, are both frauds. Joseph Smith was a polygamist and a criminal, and this is documented fact, he had a long trail of crimes, frauds. God did not reveal to him "the truth," and start the church all over again as he implies.

There is only salvation in the Christ of Scripture, and the "Christ" of Mormonism is not that Christ.

Then talk with me about Christ, faith, and my salvation through His grace.

No need for barbs, blindness, insults, or wasting time obcessed over subjects of lesser importance.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

All Mormon's do this, it is a well-known fact.

One has to convert them to their own religion (admittance) to see them come to Christ. Another well-known fact.

Oh, and I'm not against you as a person, just your teachings. Mormonism is not Christianity. That's where we can start and where I will stay.

If you want to stay with that bad info, I acknowledge your choice in that regard.

 

[Mjh29]

Then talk with me about Christ, faith, and my salvation through His grace.

No need for barbs, blindness, insults, or wasting time obcessed over subjects of lesser importance.

These are not the issues, thought; the issues are things like

~ Men becoming gods
~ God having once been a man
~ The Book of Mormon being held in higher regard than the Bible
~ Tritheism rather than Trinitarianism
~ The fact that we are literal children of a heavenly mother and father [Like... greek demigods]
~ Universal salvation of all from death into at least some state of glory
~ Polygamy

Things that are absolutely not Christian teachings, and you have claimed you have not knowledge, belief, or even opinion about.

~ You don't know God was a man
~ You don't know if you believe that God was a man [how can you not know what you believe personally?]
~ You don't know if you think it's even possible [Again... how can YOU not know if you think something is possible?]

This is why we aren't making any headway; we're not here to ask you about what we may have in common; we want to know what you think of the crazy, un-Orthodox teachings that we actually have a problem with.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

LDS Christians agree with almost all of this. There are consequences for Adam’s fall. We all have the inclination for sin. But a newborn has no guilt from Adam ‘s actions

You call eternal damnation a "consequence"? And you say that we are all "inclined to sin"? We are all sinners! Big difference.
Anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ IS condemned.

John 3:16-18-- “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the One and Only Son of God."

 

[Preacher4Truth]

If you want to stay with that bad info, I acknowledge your choice in that regard.

It's the truth even though you remain disingenuous.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Then talk with me about Christ, faith, and my salvation through His grace.

No need for barbs, blindness, insults, or wasting time obcessed over subjects of lesser importance.

Hold up: telling the truth is not barbs, nor an insult, nor trivial. You're bearing false witness, I've done none of what you accuse.

The truth is you've insulted my person disrespectfuly with bearing false witness and inserting your "blindness" insult on my person. All Mormons pull this when their true history and teachings are brought out in the open.

Fact is none of your reply holds truth.

All that I've stated is of utmost importance, even as you try to brush it off as trivial. We are dealing with Gods truth, eternality, Christ, and the false teachings against these truths by the Mormon sect.

Lastly, the Christ of Mormonism is not the true Christ of Scripture, so to discuss with you your trust in "him" would be talking about two different Christ's, two different gospels. John 8:24.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

These are not the issues, thought; the issues are things like

~ Men becoming gods
~ God having once been a man
~ The Book of Mormon being held in higher regard than the Bible
~ Tritheism rather than Trinitarianism
~ The fact that we are literal children of a heavenly mother and father [Like... greek demigods]
~ Universal salvation of all from death into at least some state of glory
~ Polygamy

Things that are absolutely not Christian teachings, and you have claimed you have not knowledge, belief, or even opinion about.

~ You don't know God was a man
~ You don't know if you believe that God was a man [how can you not know what you believe personally?]
~ You don't know if you think it's even possible [Again... how can YOU not know if you think something is possible?]

This is why we aren't making any headway; we're not here to ask you about what we may have in common; we want to know what you think of the crazy, un-Orthodox teachings that we actually have a problem with.

Which one of these do you view as being most important to salvation, and we’ll talk about that one first.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

These are not the issues, thought; the issues are things like

~ Men becoming gods
~ God having once been a man
~ The Book of Mormon being held in higher regard than the Bible
~ Tritheism rather than Trinitarianism
~ The fact that we are literal children of a heavenly mother and father [Like... greek demigods]
~ Universal salvation of all from death into at least some state of glory
~ Polygamy

Things that are absolutely not Christian teachings, and you have claimed you have not knowledge, belief, or even opinion about.

~ You don't know God was a man
~ You don't know if you believe that God was a man [how can you not know what you believe personally?]
~ You don't know if you think it's even possible [Again... how can YOU not know if you think something is possible?]

This is why we aren't making any headway; we're not here to ask you about what we may have in common; we want to know what you think of the crazy, un-Orthodox teachings that we actually have a problem with.

Exactly! The disingenuous stance is sickening, she knows what we are saying is true about the teachings. We're talking two different Christ's here.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hold up: telling the truth is not barbs, nor an insult, nor trivial. You're bearing false witness, I've done none of what you accuse.

The truth is you've insulted my person disrespectfuly with bearing false witness and inserting your "blindness" insult on my person. All Mormons pull this when their true history and teachings are brought out in the open.

Fact is none of your reply holds truth.

All that I've stated is of utmost importance, even as you try to brush it off as trivial. We are dealing with Gods truth, eternality, Christ, and the false teachings against these truths by the Mormon sect.

Lastly, the Christ of Mormonism is not the true Christ of Scripture, so to discuss with you your trust in "him" would be talking about two different Christ's, two different gospels. John 8:24.

Than talk with me about CHRIST.
All other subjects are of lesser importance than Him.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Which one of these do you view as being most important to salvation, and we’ll talk about that one first.

All you are saying is that none of your teachings really have a thing to do with salvation.

But oh, they most certainly do!

 

[Mjh29]

Which one of these do you view as being most important to salvation, and we’ll talk about that one first.

All of them. They are ALL of utmost importance.

I tried to start with one; You don't know if it's true, don't know if you personally believe it, and don't even know if you believe it's possible.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Which one of these do you view as being most important to salvation, and we’ll talk about that one first.

WADR, Jane, all of these are important because they speak of the very nature of God and how humans can be made right with Him.

Since "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17), then we'd better make sure that what we're believing really is the word of God. I have maintained that the Holy Bible is the only written word of God.

 

[Mjh29]

Than talk with me about CHRIST.
All other subjects are of lesser importance than Him.

Not at all true. While I believe that Christ is central to all doctrine, it does not make the pillars of faith any less important; we can't believe correctly about Christ if we think man is the literally child of Mom and Dad gods, or that the Father [who the Son was sent by] is nothing more than a glorified mortal!!!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

All you are saying is that none of your teachings really have a thing to do with salvation.

But oh, they most certainly do!

You believe that having the correct view about each of these is necessary for salvation?