Don't even get me started on these questioners and what I find to be downright un Christian behavior (straw man arguments, logical fallicies, disrespect, edited cuts, etc).
What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor
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I literally just answer that: yes.
Unknown. I also answered this MANY times now and am becoming frustrated.
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It confuses me more to be frank. Did God always have a glorified physical body? If not, how did He get it? There isn't an answer to that, you say. Then I wonder how anything could be added onto or subtracted from God. Would God cease to be God if He lost this glorified physical body?
The phrase itself doesn't make too much sense to me since I don't see matter as being capable of being glorified. It is changed. Thus Jesus' body, although it could be solid if he wished, could appear and disappear as he wished after the Resurrection.
My major objection to this idea however is the idea that God has His own physical body. I believe God is a Spirit Who can dwell in all men. While I have other problems with the Book of Mormon, this idea of God having a physical body is the major reason I can't accept Smith as a prophet.
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Note: I am not trying to convince you of anything. Not remotely. I’m just explaining my beliefs, and what is actually doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
As to a physical body being gloried: after studying God the Son I very much believe this is possible and does not compromise the un-changing-ness of God. Yes, God the Son was born of a mortal woman, lived a mortal life, and died. He was also physically resurrected and ascended. His glorified body was/is different than ours, and we don’t understand it, but it is a glorified body.
You left out one very important fact here. God the Son, Jesus Christ, was conceived of the Holy Spirit. He was NOT conceived from Adam's corrupt seed. So, He was never a sinner like us mere mortals who were conceived of Adam's seed. IOW, He was never just like us because He was ALWAYS God. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today. and forever" (Hebrews 13:8).
Jesus was always BOTH fully man AND fully God from His conception; therefore, He NEVER worked His way to godhood.
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LDS Christian believe that sinning is what makes a person a sinner. Not simply being born. Article of Faith #2: "2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression."
Articles of Faith 1
No one gets to Heaven because of their works.
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The Bible teaches that "as in Adam all die" (1 Cor 15:22). King David understood that he was conceived in sin: "In sin did my mother conceive me" (Ps 51:5).
We're not talking about men working their way to heaven. This discussion is about men working their way to godhood. It's about whether God was a man of flesh and bones who worked his way to godhood. Of course, the Bible teaches that He was not--that He has never changed and has always been God.
1 Cor 15:22 is reffering to physical death, and yes all men do that, including Christ.
Ps 51:5 is a Psalm, poetic language. Not to be literally interpreted. If you insist on interpret it literally: please tell me what sins you believe my 6 day old nephew has committed and what should happen to his soul if he were to die today.
Non one gets to Heaven because of their works, and certainly not become like the Father because of their works.
As is the LDS Christian belief.
David wrote that God's plan is to impart His Glory to men.
Psalm 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
We read too about how the Glory of God filled the Temple when Solomon consecrated it. Glorification then is a process where God imparts some of His Glory to a person or object. Then too there is a way men can glorify God -- when men receive Light from God, they can shine to other men, sharing the Light received to others so they can see something of the Glory of God and see that God is real. I find it hard to understand how or why God would glorify Himself.
King David was a prophet. I would be very careful about calling all of his words "poetic language."
We're talking about Psalms 51:5, where David said, "In sin did my mother conceive me." This is called "original sin," the sin of Adam passed down to all who are conceived of Adam's seed.
Look at what Paul said in Romans 5:12-21
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all men, because all sinned. In fact, sin was in the world before the law, but sin is not charged to a person’s account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin in the likeness of Adam’s transgression. He is a prototype of the Coming One.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if by the one man’s trespass the many died, how much more have the grace of God and the gift overflowed to the many by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ. And the gift is not like the one man’s sin, because from one sin came the judgment, resulting in condemnation, but from many trespasses came the gift, resulting in justification. Since by the one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone. For just as through one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. The law came along to multiply the trespass. But where sin multiplied, grace multiplied even more so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace will reign through righteousness, resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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But... other Mormons have claimed that it IS in fact known.
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Someday, perhaps, she will come out and tell us what we already know to be true about the teachings of that sect.
I not completely understanding you here.
Do you believe that God the Son (Jesus ) rose from the dead with a glorified perfect body?
Do you find that belief to be strange or hard to understand?
I did ask... you said you don't know. When I asked if you believed it personally, you said you don't know. When I asked if you thought it was even possible you said.. you don't know.
With all possible respect,
I have literally addressed this point over 10 times now. I don’t see any profitability in doing so again.
My guess is his body was glorified in part before the crucifixion; but only three disciples were permitted to see its Glory. It was further glorified later.
What you have quoted (bolded) means that Adam's guilt is NOT imputed to others. Which almost all Christians believe.
But that is not the same as saying that Adam's disobedience did not have serious consequences for the human race: Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 5:12)
Thus all human beings are born with a sin nature, therefore all humans are sinners, and therefore all humans also die (physically), and if they remain unsaved, then they face the second death.
So it is not simply sinning that makes a person a sinner, but being born into the world automatically makes all human beings sinners. You were born a sinner before you committed a single sin. And you have Adam to thank for that.
