What is YOUR "thorn in the flesh"?

[Bruce-Leiter]

My only "problem" is that Christian forums, allow a lot of heresies to "park and preach'.
And this is why Christian forums are harmful. Its why i wont let my new Students go to any Christian forum, until they are "grounded in Grace", according to the one who wrote most of the NT Epistles and the doctrine for the Church... So, once they are secure in their Pauline Theology, then that is an unshakable defense against all heresies, including Calvinism and Hyper Calvinism.

See, Calvinists, prey on Christianity, and a new believer is in Jeopardy.. Their Theological and Spiritual life... is in Jeopardy,.. it is at "high risk" on Forums.... as a "doctrine of devils" like Calvinism, will try to ruin their Genuine Faith for life., as that is what Calvinism is designed to do to a Christian.

God does not lead anyone to SELL Calvinism., and you SELL it, when you teach it, preach it, or defend it.. @Bruce-Leiter .
Thats a fact.

You should warn people against your own heresy of just relying on the New Testament, especially Paul, for the truth, Behold. Can't you see what Paul himself said about the Old Testament in 2 Timothy 3:16-17?

 

[MA2444]

You should warn people against your own heresy of just relying on the New Testament, especially Paul, for the truth, Behold. Can't you see what Paul himself said about the Old Testament in 2 Timothy 3:16-17?

I dont know if I'd call it a heresy but you do make a seriously good point.

The Complete Bible of 66 books properly equips the believer.

The New Testament is only 27 of of the 66 books? SO what's that about 40%? of the entire book. That means that people who poo poo the Old Testament are missing out on 60% of the Bible! That is serious.

 

[face2face]

It appears that people don't want to share their "thorns in the flesh." I wonder why that is. Is it that we need to appear strong, even on a forum, instead of admitting that we are really weak? I'm inviting you to share what God has done in helping you deal with your "thorn" so that your witness may strengthen all of us.

A man can be bought for a loaf of bread! Pro 6:26

 

[Ritajanice]

You should warn people against your own heresy of just relying on the New Testament, especially Paul, for the truth, Behold. Can't you see what Paul himself said about the Old Testament in 2 Timothy 3:16-17?

Timothy is from the NT.

What has the Old Testament got to do with a Born Again, who are Spirit led?

I have never read the Old Testament. Please explain why I would need to do so...I mean God may explain that to me through you, but then again he may not..let’s keep the discussion nice and respectful....without the need to tell the other member “ NO” that kills the discussion for me....as their mind is in NO mode ...been there done that..does that make sense?

Does the new covenant replace the Old Covenant in the Bible?
Both of these covenants come from God—but there is an important relationship between them that Paul explains in 3:6-11 (read). There's a whole lot of glory here, but the main point is pretty clear. While both covenants come from God, the New Covenant surpasses and replaces the Old Covenant(3:10).

Trying to understand, maybe you can be a bit more precise..thanks.

2 Timothy 3​

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King James Version​

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3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Rita]

Timothy is from the NT.

What has the Old Testament got to do with a Born Again, who are Spirit led?

I have never read the Old Testament. Please explain why I would need to do so...I mean God may explain that to me through you, but then again he may not..let’s keep the discussion nice and respectful....without the need to tell the other member “ NO” that kills the discussion for me....as their mind is in NO mode ...been there done that..does that make sense?

Does the new covenant replace the Old Covenant in the Bible?
Both of these covenants come from God—but there is an important relationship between them that Paul explains in 3:6-11 (read). There's a whole lot of glory here, but the main point is pretty clear. While both covenants come from God, the New Covenant surpasses and replaces the Old Covenant(3:10).

Trying to understand, maybe you can be a bit more precise..thanks.

2 Timothy 3​

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King James Version​

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3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

You have never read the OT- Wow , the OT reveals so much to us, we might be part of the New covenant but that doesn’t mean that the history of Gods people is irrelevant.

 

[Ritajanice]

You have never read the OT- Wow , the OT reveals so much to us, we might be part of the New covenant but that doesn’t mean that the history of Gods people is irrelevant.

Sorry, Sis, I never said it was irrelevant?


I asked him why I should read it.

See what I mean about members putting words into another’s mouth.

Where did I say the OT was irrelevant? and that Gods people are irrelevant?

You’re accusing me of the same thing that you have said you can’t stand on this forum.

As for reading the Old Testament , I’m up for it, when the Spirit leads me to do so...not by mans leading...or by the words “ Wow”.....Everything is in Gods timing.thats if he leads me to read it...so far he hasn’t..no big deal.

Edit to add..I have actually read some of Genesis..how God created the heaven and earth,Adam and Eve, garden of Eden.
mind blowing revelation of Gods almighty power.

Genesis 1

New International Version

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The Beginning​

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night,and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it,according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

 

[Rita]

@Ritajanice - you said you had not read the OT, if you don’t read it, then surely you don’t think it’s that relevant. The two go hand in hand to me , hence why I made the comment. ( Just my opinion ) If it came across as putting words in your mouth, I apologise. -
It’s fine if you want to wait for Gods timing - if that’s how you do it, then that’s fine.
Sometimes I feel led, sometimes I just study a subject and it takes me into the OT and NT - sometimes I just read either Out of choice.
Now going to argue with you about it, I was just a bit surprised that’s all, don’t think I have ever met a Christian who hasn’t read the OT.

 

[Ritajanice]

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@Ritajanice - you said you had not read the OT, if you don’t read it, then surely you don’t think it’s that relevant.

Did you read my post where I said, that I am Spirit led?

If I start reading the Bible without the Spirit leading me to read it and bring it to my understanding, ..then it will make no sense to my spirit..been there done all that, I now wait on the Spirit to lead me through his word and bring it to my understanding, by divine heart revelation.the words of God must resonate with my spirit...I communicate Spirit to spirit...I can’t communicate flesh to flesh, it must be by the Holy Spirit..

The two go hand in hand to me , hence why I made the comment. ( Just my opinion ) If it came across as putting words in your mouth, I apologise. -

Ok, the two go hand in hand for you, that’s how God is leading “you” to understand his word.

You read the word.


For me he places scripture on my heart to read, remember I became Born Again having never read a Bible...he has always spoken to my heart, then I check out what I hear with the word.

For you became Born again through reading his word, therefore he speaks to your heart through the scripture that you read..just my opinion..which makes sense to me.

It’s fine if you want to wait for Gods timing - if that’s how you do it, then that’s fine.

Of course it’s fine, I have Gods reassurance of that.

No man has any influence over my heart, they certainly did at one time...God has showed me that I only have ears and eyes for him only..only he can take the lead through scripture, he’s always placing scripture on my heart to read.. @Rita just edited my post.

Sometimes I feel led, sometimes I just study a subject and it takes me into the OT and NT -

Ok.

sometimes I just read either Out of choice.

Ok...being honest, I’ve done that at times...when I do that.. which imo,is doing it in my own strength, it makes no sense....God won’t have me telling him what to do..as in, let’s do it my way Lord, lol...I gave that up a while back.

I can’t lead myself through scripture, I wouldn’t know where to start.

Now going to argue with you about it,

Neither do I want to argue..just expressed my opinion.

I was just a bit surprised that’s all, don’t think I have ever met a Christian who hasn’t read the OT.

Well,I’m your first, as I said, I have read some of Genesis..that’s it, nothing further as far as I’m aware.

Plus he just spoke this scripture to my heart,imo.

1 Corinthians 2:10-16

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10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Rita]

I Didn’t edit your post !
The Holy Spirit often speaks into my heart when I just read - words or new things will jump out at me - It’s revelation, and we all experience it in different ways xx

 

[Ritajanice]

I Didn’t edit your post !

Sis, I know you didn’t, I said I edited my post, I added to it.

See how this darn text can be misunderstood.

I should have said @Rita ....I have just edited my post, lol,x

Instead I said this..@Rita just edited my post.....my apologies @Rita .

At least we haven’t thrown muck at each other over it...hehehe.just my sense of humour.

The Holy Spirit often speaks into my heart when I just read - words or new things will jump out at me - It’s revelation, and we all experience it in different ways xx

That’s what I’ve been trying to say. I’ve underlined it in boldlol.x

 

[Lizbeth]

Put another way, glory is what suffering looks like from an eternal perspective. It is the honor of God that crowns God's people. And there will come a time in which all of the church's shared sufferings will be seen as radiant and beautiful.

That is so lovely sister.

Bearing about in our bodies the dying of the Lord Jesus. The marks of the cross....I believe in a way it marks us as belonging to Him, so that is why we can count it all joy, even though it isn't pleasant at the time.

 

[Ritajanice]

That is so lovely sister.

Sis, I should have put a short commentary. Before it, sometimes I forget.

Whoever wrote those words, as you say, the words are lovely.

Bearing about in our bodies the dying of the Lord Jesus. The marks of the cross....I believe in a way it marks us as belonging to Him, so that is why we can count it all joy, even though it isn't pleasant at the time.

Amen!

 

[Lizbeth]

Watching interfaith take over christendom and the world has been a serious pain to watch .
But do not a one of you all worry for me . By grace i am gonna expose every last word of it and those who align with it
WE POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST , not a lie . keep that in mind everyone . WE POINT to JESUS THE CHRIST and not a lie .

Dear brother, it is hard to watch, but I believe one really good way to battle counterfeits and deceptions is to learn and grow in what is true and teach/preach what is true. If we just keep focussing on what is wrong all the time we could end up like Lot's wife who was looking back to watch Sodom burning, instead of reaching for what lies ahead.

 

[Behold]

That's true. But God knew Jobs heart so that He would not blame Him, so he answered Job's Jobs prayer and Job did pass! Abd Job was handsomely rewarded for it.

Faith produces an end result.
We see that Job's wrong faith, produced an end result.

Someone once said.>"be careful what you ask for as you might get it"..

So, translated that means.>>"be careful what you BELIEVE for, as that is your faith, and it'll come to pass".

And if your faith is the FEAR that you'll get sick, or you FEAR that you'll have trouble, then you are BELIEVING for it, and you'll get it.

See, your faith can harm you, or it can help you..

 

[amigo de christo]

Timothy is from the NT.

What has the Old Testament got to do with a Born Again, who are Spirit led?

I have never read the Old Testament. Please explain why I would need to do so...I mean God may explain that to me through you, but then again he may not..let’s keep the discussion nice and respectful....without the need to tell the other member “ NO” that kills the discussion for me....as their mind is in NO mode ...been there done that..does that make sense?

Does the new covenant replace the Old Covenant in the Bible?
Both of these covenants come from God—but there is an important relationship between them that Paul explains in 3:6-11 (read). There's a whole lot of glory here, but the main point is pretty clear. While both covenants come from God, the New Covenant surpasses and replaces the Old Covenant(3:10).

Trying to understand, maybe you can be a bit more precise..thanks.

2 Timothy 3​

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King James Version​

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3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

you asked the right question dear sister . Why should we read the old test .
Well the answer to that lies in what both paul and peter told the church .
When they said scripture , they were talking about the old testament .
We should read it dear sister , we should read it all . stay refreshed in both .

 

[Ritajanice]

you asked the right question dear sister . Why should we read the old test .
Well the answer to that lies in what both paul and peter told the church .
When they said scripture , they were talking about the old testament .
We should read it dear sister , we should read it all . stay refreshed in both .

I will, if the Spirit leads me to read it, I know you mean well...what have I got to stay refreshed about?

God speaks scripture to my heart..I stay refreshed in the Spirit my friend.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear brother, it is hard to watch, but I believe one really good way to battle counterfeits and deceptions is to learn and grow in what is true and teach/preach what is true. If we just keep focussing on what is wrong all the time we could end up like Lot's wife who was looking back to watch Sodom burning, instead of reaching for what lies ahead.

To learn and grow in what is true and teach what is true . Bible .
cause we both know the words in that book are true .
If one is headed in the wrong direction it must be exposed and corrected .
In these last years and specially in this last year
it seems every post i go onto
i see either folks already under ideas that have either already led them to interfaith and the lie
or is leading them to it . I have never seen anything like it sister .
The judge not correct not allowed leaven in and to remain and it has grown . Be encouraged dear sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

I will, if the Spirit leads me to read it, I know you mean well...what have I got to stay refreshed about?

God speaks scripture to my heart..I stay refreshed in the Spirit my friend.

Enjoy reading second peter today dear sister . The early church did something
that would keep us stirred up by way of remembrance . aka by remembering .
It is good to always be stirred up by way of remembrance . So good peter made sure
the church would have a way to keep those things in remembrance
Even though ,as peter wrote , ye know them .
Have you noticed that often many people when one brings simple reminders of truth to them
they say or imply HEY i already know this .
SO did the church . and yet peter and paul and others continually kept reminding them,
stirring them up . And to paul it was not grievious at all , it was needful for them .
So beware of dogs , beware of men of belial who have crept in amongst christendome
and who by fair sounding good sound speeches deceive many .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Enjoy reading second peter today dear sister . The early church did something
that would keep us stirred up by way of remembrance . aka by remembering .
It is good to always be stirred up by way of remembrance . So good peter made sure
the church would have a way to keep those things in remembrance
Even though ,as peter wrote , ye know them .
Have you noticed that often many people when one brings simple reminders of truth to them
they say or imply HEY i already know this .
SO did the church . and yet peter and paul and others continually kept reminding them,
stirring them up . And to paul it was not grievious at all , it was needful for them .
So beware of dogs , beware of men of belial who have crept in amongst christendome
and who by fair sounding good sound speeches deceive many .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

To learn and grow in what is true and teach what is true . Bible .
cause we both know the words in that book are true .
If one is headed in the wrong direction it must be exposed and corrected .
In these last years and specially in this last year
it seems every post i go onto
i see either folks already under ideas that have either already led them to interfaith and the lie
or is leading them to it . I have never seen anything like it sister .
The judge not correct not allowed leaven in and to remain and it has grown . Be encouraged dear sister .

@amigo de christo