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BreadOfLife

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Yeah, the catholics endure in a false faith that is not of the Lord Jesus.

Former Roman Catholic Testimony​

Anither giant pile of unfounded excrement . . .

It only took about 5 minutes of watching this nonsense to glean the following list of whoppers:

- He falsely claims that the Church teaches that ONLY Catholics go to Heaven.
- He says as a Catholic, he was NEVER taught that idolatry was wrong and that he and “no clue” of this as a result.
- He foolishly claims that he lit candles for the dead to “speed their release” from Purgatory.
- He falsely misrepresented the Fatima visions by stating that Mary omits Jesus as the way to the Father.
- He stated that a priest told him, “You will go crazy” if you read the Bible.
- He falsely claimed that the Blood of Christ is NOT mentioned in the Mass.
- He falsely claimed that the Mass was so Mary-centric that they recited the Rsary during Mass.
- He falsely claimed that we trust in Mary for our salvation and to deliver us from Hell.
- He totally perverts and mischaracterizes the doctrine of Purgatory.
- He falsely attributes idolatry to simple veneration.

I only with I could have talked to this guy before he chose to abandon the fullness of Truth for a partial version . . .
 
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Could you please post the work of Irenaeus?
Uhhhh - you just DID . . .
This is from New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia:

Most important evidence is furnished by the document entitled the "Liberian Catalogue" — so called from the Pope whose name ends the list. The collection of tracts of which this forms a part was edited (apparently by one Furius Dionysius Philocalus) in 354. The catalogue consists of a list of the Roman bishops from Peter to Liberius, with the length of their respective episcopates, the consular dates, the name of the reigning emperor, and in many cases other details. There is the strongest ground for believing that the earlier part of the catalogue, as far as Pontian (230-35), is the work of Hippolytus of Portus. It is manifest that up to this point the fourth century compiler was making use of a different authority from that which he employs for the subsequent popes: and there is evidence rendering it almost certain that Hippolytus's work "Chronica" contained such a list. The reign of Pontian, moreover, would be the point at which that list would have stopped: for Hippolytus and he were condemned to servitude in the Sardinian mines — a fact which the chronographer makes mention when speaking of Pontian's episcopate.

source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Chronological Lists of Popes

There are lists of BISHOPS of Rome from the beginning.
Yes - and the Bishop of Rome is the Pope.
I also gave you TWO other examples of Popes - PRIOR to your phony timeline of the
4th century . . .
The problem is that there were also 4 other Popes with the same authority throughout the middle east and Africa.

If the CC MUST call Peter the very first Pope ever.....I'm not going to debate ad infinitum....

But the historical truth is that Peter WAS NOT the ONLY first Pope....
there were 4 others.

You could look this up for yourself.
But you might be afraid to.
Sure, there have been self-appointed anti-popes - but Peter was the ONLY one chosen by Jesus Christ Himself.

ANYBODY can call himself a "Pope" - but that doesn't make him the Pope unless he is validly chosen through Apostolic Succession.


Do your HOMEWORK . . .
 
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Look at the number of people FORCED by circumstances to keep their jobs by taking the JAB in the trial run plandemic and the devastating outcome for individuals and their families…Things are going to get MUCH worse as the future plays out.

Those who HAVE (according to Gods ORDER and WAY) accepted the Lord Gods GIFT of Salvation…Are ALREADY soul saved, spirit quickened, assured their body to be risen in Perfection…Nothing…not God, not spirits, not men CAN CHANGE that outcome.

It is “UNSAVED” believers that are WARNED…manKind is at the bottom of POWER…below angels, below governing men….so YES, that man in Belief, but not. KEPT IN BELIEF by Gods Power…must by their own power, endure believing, keep a check on not being fooled (by influence of fallen angels or governing men)…

Aside from the plandemic…
Look how many people are influenced and promoted by Governing powers to Accept Homosexuality, Same gender marriages, Drugs, abortions, continual wars, corrupt food, media lies, attempts to obstruct individuals from defending their own lives and family, foreign criminal invasion….even down to governing teachers instigating drugs and surgeries for little children.

It’s going to get MUCH worse. Are you going to keep Hoping by YOUR POWER, you can endure the Increase of fallen angels and governing men tribulations against you?
Rather that to Accept the Lord’s Offering of Assured Salvation by, through, of HIS POWER?
I have NO idea why you're blathering on about the pandemic and vaccinations . . .

As for the Biblical warnings about falling back into sin and LOSING your salvation - I made a solid, Biblical case.

Here is another reason why you're WRONG about those warnings being about "unsaved believers" and "converted believers" -

Revelation
states explicitly:
Rev. 3:5

He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

How can God "blot out" a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.


Rev. 22:19

And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.
 

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OK. Let's see if we agree on history - which we should.
I'd say that the reason Rome became the seat of the Pope....the one and only Pope which did not happen until hundreds of years after Peter, was seated in Rome because Rome had become the capital of Christiandom.
The 5 important regions of Christianity looked to Rome for solution of problems because those popes (5 in all) trusted that Peter would have answers to problems that arose because he was an Apostle chosen by Jesus.

Following is for those reading along that might be interested.

There were 5 "popes" at the time of Peter....He was the pope in Rome.
As I've said many times, it's not historically correct to call Peter the FIRST POPE....
He was ONE OF the first popes....but the CC wants to call him the first because of his Primacy
as an Apostle ---- I don't care to die on this hill....but it's not correct historically.


In the early Christian era, Rome and a few other cities had claims on the leadership of the worldwide church. During the 1st century of the church (c. 30–130), the Roman capital became recognized as a Christian center of exceptional importance. In the late 2nd century CE, there were more manifestations of Roman authority over other churches. In 189, assertion of the primacy of the Church of Rome may be indicated in Irenaeus’s Against Heresies: “With [the Church of Rome], because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree … and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition.” In 195 CE, Pope Victor I, in what is seen as an exercise of Roman authority over other churches, excommunicated the Quartodecimans for observing Easter on the 14th of Nisan, the date of the Jewish Passover. Celebration of Easter on a Sunday, as insisted on by the pope, is the system that has prevailed.

When Constantine became emperor of the Western Roman Empire in 312, he attributed his victory to the Christian God. Many soldiers in his army were Christians, and his army was his base of power. With Licinius (Eastern Roman emperor), he issued the Edict of Milan, which mandated toleration of all religions in the empire. Decisions made at the Council of Nicea (325) about the divinity of Christ led to a schism; the new religion, Arianism, flourished outside the Roman Empire. Partially to distinguish themselves from Arians, Catholic devotion to Mary became more prominent. This led to further schisms.

In 380, the Edict of Thessalonica declared Nicene Christianity, as opposed to Arianism, to be the state religion of the empire, with the name “Catholic Christians” reserved for those who accepted that faith. While the civil power in the Eastern Roman Empire controlled the church, and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, the capital, wielded much power, in the Western Roman Empire the Bishops of Rome were able to consolidate the influence and power they already possessed. After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, barbarian tribes were converted to Arian Christianity or Catholicism; Clovis I, king of the Franks, was the first important barbarian ruler to convert to Catholicism rather than Arianism, allying himself with the papacy. Other tribes, such as the Visigoths, later abandoned Arianism in favor of Catholicism.

source: The Development of Papal Supremacy | Western Civilization
I agree with most of this.
 

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I have to say, RedFan, that the problem here is that there was NO primacy in Rome until it was decided that there should be
only ONE POPE to lead the church and this didn't happen until the 4th century, if I remember (which I may not).

PS
Each Bishop ruled over his own territory.
Here are the territories again:
ROME
JERUSALEM
ANTIOCH
CONSTANTINOPLE
ALEXANDRIA
It's more extensive than that, GG. Other cities and regions had their own bishops. The bishops in these five areas are what we might call the Metropolitans. Or Archbishops, if you will. But there were hundreds of bishops in the Mediterranean world and elsewhere.
 
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Bishops have equal standing when in communion with the Roman See. I don't think you understand this.
The Roman See will ex-communicate bishops who resist Papal decrees, so by definition those won't be in communion with Rome (interesting phrase) and won't have "equal standing" in the eyes of Rome. But let's not beg the question of whether they don't have equal standing in the eyes of God due to resistance of Papal primacy.
 

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This is why the Lord put numerous warnings in the New Testament about this that would not be in God's Word if it were not possible to turn away from the Lord after having been born again and end up spending eternity separated from the Lord in hell.

No. Warnings to remain in belief are not for the Saved.

No. Not possible to reject Gods after born again.
 

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I have NO idea why you're blathering on about the pandemic and vaccinations . . .


Agree, you are not astute to Biblical signs.

As for the Biblical warnings about falling back into sin and LOSING your salvation - I made a solid, Biblical case.

That is not news, not in question, not rejected by me, so why are you are blathering on about a moot point?

Here is another reason why you're WRONG about those warnings being about "unsaved believers" and "converted believers" -


Not wrong.

Revelation
states explicitly:
Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

Does not prove your claim.

How can God "blot out" a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.


Book(S)…plural.

Every born human is in Gods Book of Life.
Every human shall be Judged according to his works.
Every human who rejected God shall be blotted out of Gods Book of Life.
Every human whose soul is save, whose spirit is quickened is entered into the Lambs Book of Life, and can never be blotted out.


B]Rev. 22:19[/B]
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

You desperately try to understand Spiritual things with your Carnal Mind…it’s a FAIL.
 

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Uhhhh - you just DID . . .

Yes - and the Bishop of Rome is the Pope.
I also gave you TWO other examples of Popes - PRIOR to your phony timeline of the
4th century . . .

Sure, there have been self-appointed anti-popes - but Peter was the ONLY one chosen by Jesus Christ Himself.

ANYBODY can call himself a "Pope" - but that doesn't make him the Pope unless he is validly chosen through Apostolic Succession.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .
What nonsense bread.
Check your history and stop telling people lies.
Makes Catholics look foolish.

I posted the letter....
Ain't that cute?
You know NOTHING I don't know.

Now read the New Advent Encyopedia again and notice that it speaks of popes at the time in question. Not THE Pope.
 

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It's more extensive than that, GG. Other cities and regions had their own bishops. The bishops in these five areas are what we might call the Metropolitans. Or Archbishops, if you will. But there were hundreds of bishops in the Mediterranean world and elsewhere.
Agreed.
But the Bishops in these 5 areas were called popes a term of respect and endearment.
Papa.....which means papa,,,,not dad.
It was decided at some point, that there should be only one Pope to avoid conflicts and for the sake of authority.

PS This is why it would be correct to call Peter one of the first popes,,,,but not The First Pope.
It is true that the other popes did look up to Peter.

And honestly, I can't remember if there were a lot of Bishops at this time.
Wish I could find my notes or something on Google. Will try.
 

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I agree with most of this.
If the Pope was subject to the emperor, as the source asserts, then anyone should be able to show where any emperor ratified any official church teaching. A key point:
  • When Catholicism became the official religion of the Roman Empire in 380, the power of the pope increased, although he was still subordinate to the emperor.
This is a load of crap. No recent Protestant historian would accept this lie. If I am wrong, prove it by showing any emperor signing or ratifying official Church proclamations. The "Catholic Roman Empire Church" is a myth invented by made-in-America bible cults in the post-enlightenment era. Popes may have got involved in civil matters because the Roman Empire fell apart, and no other institution was left standing at the time.
 

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The Roman See will ex-communicate bishops who resist Papal decrees, so by definition those won't be in communion with Rome (interesting phrase) and won't have "equal standing" in the eyes of Rome. But let's not beg the question of whether they don't have equal standing in the eyes of God due to resistance of Papal primacy.
The Methodists are facing a crisis in which more than 2,400 local churches have disaffiliated from the “United Methodist Church” to form the new “Global Methodist Church” in response to radical changes in teaching on human sexuality. See our story: United Methodist bishops meet, look to pivot after 2,400+ churches disaffiliate. I am sure that to Methodist leaders it matters very much if, when, or how the United Methodist “bishops” solve this problem. But for Catholics, it illustrates once again the fractionalization characteristic of all forms of Protestantism.

To a lesser extent this same fractionalization exists in the territorial Orthodox Churches (which are at least real Churches in the Catholic sense of the term, in possession of the ministry of the successors of the Apostles). This fractionalization has been forcefully demonstrated most recently by the politicization of the Orthodox churches in the Russian attack on Ukraine. But Protestantism has always been characterized by the principle of “separatism”, in which each group of people which chooses to adhere to a different interpretation of Christianity separates from an existing body (ultimately from Catholicism itself) to form its own “denomination”. The fracturing has increased in intensity once again in recent decades as older Protestant churches have changed their “understanding” of human nature, especially regarding sexuality. Some Anglican communities have rejoined the Catholic Church. More commonly, the various Protestant church groups have either fractured or disappeared.

In Catholic circles

Similar splitting has occurred in the Catholic Church over the centuries. After all, Protestantism itself began when various groups of Catholics rebelled against Church authority and created the separatist principle in the sixteenth century. One look at inept leadership and confusion in the Catholic Church today will demonstrate how much can be said in favor of the various sides in such disputes, but while a fractured “Protest” (Protestantism) does not cease to be a protest, it does cease to be Catholic as soon as it is cut off from the teaching authority and sacramental substance established in the Church by Jesus Christ.

The universal problem in all other religions, churches and sects is the lack of what Catholics call an authority principle. Unique among all religions, Catholicism claims both a Divine founder and a divinely established locus of authority within the Church itself. When you really think about it, this authority principle is essential to any religious claim of Divine authority. Without a Divinely established authority principle, any religious group is self-evidently just a group of more or less like-minded people attempting to carry on a more or less amorphous spiritual tradition. Quite apart from inevitable differences of interpretation among the various people who claim to be part of a particular religious tradition, human cultures as a whole are constantly changing and evolving over time, with different sorts of perceptions rising and declining with shifting interests, insights and historical circumstances.

A purely human religious and even philosophical grasp and expression of the truth changes over time, which means that any religion which claims to be based on a Divine Revelation must have a way of ensuring that new ideas are used to enhance our understanding of what has been revealed rather than to alter what has been revealed. This is not always clear to those “on the ground”, and to those who do not really accept Divine Revelation it hardly matters. Indeed, for religions that claim no Divine origin, this does not really present any sort of fundamental problem; such religions can continue to roll their own insights or imaginings about God and his ways with us.

But for any religion that claims to be revealed, this is a very serious difficulty. Moreover, it really ought to make a difference to everyone whether they believe in just a bunch of human ideas about God that various people have tinkered with over time, or whether they believe in specific truths on God’s own authority, that is, because God Himself has explicitly revealed them.

You may not believe the claims of the Catholic Church, but the Catholic Church is unique among all the religions of the world in claiming both that its teachings have been revealed by God (amid publicly witnessed signs and wonders which could only be of Divine origin) and that the Church carries within it a Divinely revealed and Divinely established authority by which disputes over this Revelation can be settled. These two claims are so important that it is a wonder that anyone would accept a religion that did not make them. In Catholicism, the second claim is called the “authority principle”.

This essay was triggered by the news of the recent fracturing of the Methodists. But consider: While such fracturing cannot be avoided where willful human persons are involved, the key factor is that either a religion claims to have a Divinely established way of infallibly settling such disagreements or it does not. It is simply common sense, in examining the various spiritual possibilities open to us in the world, to look seriously for a possibility that includes within it such an authority principle. By the process of elimination, the intelligent seeker has no choice but to come to Catholicism and evaluate its claims simply because it is the only contender that checks this essential box.

Catholicism as the last chance

Again and again, in the conversion stories of those who have become Catholic as adults, we find that the seekers began with the assumption that the least likely correct destination was Rome. And yet when they had exhausted every other possibility, they found that Catholicism was the only religion that actually made sense. Even with a contemporary leadership that seems to try to blend more easily into the world than it should, the claims of Rome stand out as both outlandish and hubristic. How, the whole world asks, can any church make such outrageous claims for itself? (This despite the fact that the various human powers make such claims for themselves all the time.)

It is no wonder then that so many converts have found in Catholicism their “last ditch” effort. When we examine things more carefully, this is exactly how we would expect those influenced by the world, the flesh and the devil (and who is not?) to regard any legitimate Divine claim. Such claims strike us today as sheer effrontery—a religion which is not content with vague mushy feelings but insists that we grow into union with absolute Goodness. Worse still, if this insistence is justified, it also means war against the world, the flesh and the devil. Is it any wonder that everything from our lazy bodies to the powers of this world and the principalities of hell conspire magnificently to prevent us from seeing the obvious?

And yet for those who humble themselves to make the search with an open mind, the discovery of the Catholic Church becomes always, in the end, precisely a matter of admitting the obvious. Yes, admitting: I use that word advisedly.

The claims of the Catholic Church are, of course, often effectively undermined by her members. This is an inescapable if distressing feature of a Church for sinners—a Church for those who need a Church. Too many Catholics find ways to ignore what the Church teaches, find justifications for seeking to change her teachings, find excuses to pretend that the Church now accepts and honors the latest insights of the dominant culture. Yet, despite all that, and even when the Church is humanly speaking at her worst and most confused, there remains a huge gulf between what the Church officially teaches against all odds and the piddling compromises her members may make on the pretense of reading new truths in the signs of the times.

Speaking of which, Christ said that those without Faith “cannot interpret the signs of the times”, and that “an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of Jonah” (Mt 16:3-4)—Christ’s death and resurrection. At the same time, those with open hearts can see His veracity in the miraculous signs Christ performed—and will find such signs repeated throughout history in His Church, which rigorously tests them for authenticity in both the canonization process for saints and the approval process for various alleged miraculous appearances of Christ and His Blessed Mother. No other religion possesses such a treasury of carefully authenticated “signs”, for those who actually do have eyes to see and ears to hear—for those, I mean, who have not shrouded their personal autonomy in denial.

On a bad day…
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continued from post #1613

On a bad day…

Even on a bad day, the Catholic Church looms over the world as an unassailable supernatural presence. Even when her leaders give the impression of Christ in very distressing disguise, she remains the one annoying presence in this world which, despite wishy-washy members, never quite bends herself to either the will of tyrants or the spirit of the times. Methodists (and all other sects) may come and go, but they will always define themselves in a futile differentiation from that Church which, though she is always wounded like Christ, remains not only fully alive but indestructible.

Even when Catholics are frustrated with Church leadership, they remember the brilliant observation of Hilaire Belloc:

The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine—but for unbelievers a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight.
The very ineptitude of her human leaders for now more than 2,000 years is a kind of negative proof of the Divine character of the one Church that still teaches, in the twenty-first century after Christ, what she taught in the eleventh century and indeed in the first century. The world has been insisting that she change through all these centuries, attempting to reshape her in some new way with each passing one of them. And amid all these pressures, the world might well complain that the more the Catholic Church changes, the more she remains the same.

Finally it is precisely her saints who are the most luminously consistent of all. But that’s what is really so off-putting about Catholicism, is it not? If you take Catholicism seriously, it is not about preserving the “old man” anymore. It is no longer about our personal preferences and our pet ideas. Nor is it a matter of a quick whitewash for the “elect”. And it is definitely not about picking and choosing what we will believe, or what we will tolerate. It is about embracing day by day the sacrificial fidelity required to be assimilated into the Body of Christ, and to be welcome at the wedding feast of the Lamb.
 

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If the Pope was subject to the emperor, as the source asserts, then anyone should be able to show where any emperor ratified any official church teaching
The Pope was not subject to the emperor. With few exceptions, emperors were generally smart enough to content themselves with temporal power and not meddle with ecclesiastical powers. (And conversely, Popes were generally smart enough to refrain from trying to intrude on emperors' political powers.) So I disagree with the source for that reason.

And also for that reason, I disagree with you that if the Pope were subject to the emperor, we should expect to see ratification by the emperor of official church teachings. The two spheres kept their respectful distance. P can be "subject to" E and yet be left alone by E. In fact, authority can exist without being exercised (although that's not quite a fit here).
 

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The universal problem in all other religions, churches and sects is the lack of what Catholics call an authority principle. Unique among all religions, Catholicism claims both a Divine founder and a divinely established locus of authority within the Church itself. When you really think about it, this authority principle is essential to any religious claim of Divine authority.
But an "authority principle" need not be embodied in one man. It can arise through deference to consensus or majority decisions on points of contention -- and still be an exercise of Divine authority. Nicaea and other church councils were that way. The election of Matthias to replace Judas was that way. The voting members need only adopt as a paramount process value that allegiance to the democratically chosen outcome is more important to them and to their Church than having their own preferences met.

I imagine that most Catholic bishops have adopted that paramount process value for respecting anything emanating ex cathedra Romana, even if they disagree with it -- not so much for fear of being defrocked (although that's probably a consideration in some instances) but because they have bought in to the Catholic version of the "authority principle." I would say the same about Anglican bishops with regard to their "authority principle," which is more focused on conventions (Lambeth and otherwise).
 

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But an "authority principle" need not be embodied in one man.
"one man" cannot make infallible declarations on faith and morals without the protection of the Holy Spirit. It's impossible.
It can arise through deference to consensus or majority decisions on points of contention -- and still be an exercise of Divine authority. Nicaea and other church councils were that way. The election of Matthias to replace Judas was that way. The voting members need only adopt as a paramount process value that allegiance to the democratically chosen outcome is more important to them and to their Church than having their own preferences met.

I imagine that most Catholic bishops have adopted that paramount process value for respecting anything emanating ex cathedra Romana, even if they disagree with it -- not so much for fear of being defrocked (although that's probably a consideration in some instances) but because they have bought in to the Catholic version of the "authority principle." I would say the same about Anglican bishops with regard to their "authority principle," which is more focused on conventions (Lambeth and otherwise).
Sorry, but I don't see an authority principle at work when the Lambeth convention in 1930 did a major flip flop on the matter of contraception, not even found in any Protestant circles at the time.
The CC's teaching on marriage and sexuality is the MAIN REASON the world hates the CC so much.
You are not a L.A. Dodgers fan, are you?
 
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That's exactly what the catholics bring to the table... well, not my table.

I won't let catholics in my house and I don't break bread with them because they are heretics
If you feel that someone is a "lost heretic" - it is your DUTY to share the Gospel with them.

You are a perfect example the kind of person that the Word of God condemns (Matt. 7:1-5) . . .
 

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What nonsense bread.
Check your history and stop telling people lies.
Makes Catholics look foolish.

I posted the letter....
Ain't that cute?
You know NOTHING I don't know.
Knowing isn’t the same as “understanding” – which you clearly do NOT . . .
Now read the New Advent Encyopedia again and notice that it speaks of popes at the time in question. Not THE Pope.
Then, produce the text.

WHY is it that you can NEVER produce actual evidence for your idiotic claim?
I have a few theories . . .
 
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Agree, you are not astute to Biblical signs.
No – I just think that your mind tends to wander a lot . . .
That is not news, not in question, not rejected by me, so why are you are blathering on about a moot point?
Because YOU keep arguing my point by inventing imaginary categories in the text pertaining to either “unsaved believers” and “saved believers”.

I have repeatedly shown you that the Bible is speaking of born-again, converted believers in Christ – wo fell away. You cannot have your name blotted OUT of the Book of Life if it was BEVER there in the first place (Rev. 5:5).

Not wrong.
Claiming you're not wrong doesn't make you tight.
Does not prove your claim.

Book(S)…plural.

Every born human is in Gods Book of Life.
Every human shall be Judged according to his works.
Every human who rejected God shall be blotted out of Gods Book of Life.
Every human whose soul is save, whose spirit is quickened is entered into the Lambs Book of Life, and can never be blotted out.


You desperately try to understand Spiritual things with your Carnal Mind…it’s a FAIL.
SURE, it does.

I noticed that you didn't respond to the other verse I gave you.

Rev. 22:19 clearly states, “… if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will TAKE AWAY his share in the Tree of Life.”

And simply denying the meaning of “Epignosis” is just another exercise in
denial . . .