What is the most important decision you will have to make in life?

[Robert Gwin]

Yes, and that judgement is still not over 1,000 years into our future at the final judgement.

If our understanding is wrong about the parable of the Talents, then what else do we have wrong with respect to other parts of the scriptures.

You also teach that Christ was given dominion over the earth in 1914 and that at that time he was given a grown. It is my understanding that you are probably out in this understanding by around 130 years as Satan, the beasts and the Little horn are all still active on the face of the earth today and they are preparing for the time when they will be judged and locked up in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment in the Lake of fire when their good and faithful servants will become active to oppose the people of the earth from entering into relationship with God in his everlasting kingdom.

Now I may probably see the judgement of the heavenly hosts of Satan the beasts and the Little Horn at the same time as the kings of the earth are judged on the earth in our near future, as I am nearing the time that is set for me to die, and again my understanding is that that will happen in around 22 years time, but I know that I am already seeing the signs of the kings of the earth being drawn towards being assembled at a single place to be judged, because the whole earth has witnessed the sign and wonders that herald the beginning of the drawing of the kings of the earth to the time of their judgement.

This judgement will confirm that I am right in my understanding and that the going away of the "man" will commence.

Oh well, we will see this unfolding in the near future judgement.

Yes the final judgment is yet 1k yrs off, we agree. We do believe Jesus received the Crown in 1914 and started the last day stretch. We cannot narrow it down to a year as you, but I agree with you we are very close. In my personal opinion I think 22 yrs is somewhat of a stretch, but only time will tell. Heck one of my own brothers believes it won't come for at least a couple hundred more years. I certainly question that.

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes the final judgment is yet 1k yrs off, we agree. We do believe Jesus received the Crown in 1914 and started the last day stretch. We cannot narrow it down to a year as you, but I agree with you we are very close. In my personal opinion I think 22 yrs is somewhat of a stretch, but only time will tell. Heck one of my own brothers believes it won't come for at least a couple hundred more years. I certainly question that.

What is it that you see occurring soon? That Jesus will appear on the face of the earth to rule the earth for 1,000 years?

That is not what I understand will happen.

Satan and his fellow fallen angels, will be judge in heaven soon, and when they are kicked out they will be imprisoned for 1,000 years, i.e. for many days, awaiting for the time of their punishment in the Lake of fire.

Now if Daniel 7:9-14 shows a sequence of events that will take place in heaven, then Jesus is not given dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should serve Him, until the beasts, the little horn and Satan are judged and imprisoned.

Now when the Bottomless pit is unlocked after the 1,000 years of imprisonment, then we will see the four facetted beast as described in Daniel 7:19-26 and also in Revelation 13, 18, 19 etc. during the little while period before they are captured again and dispatched into the Lake of Fire. Then Satan will also be captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire as well. It is only then that the Judgement of all of the people of the earth will begin.

You see Robert, if you have not understood what is said in one part of the bible, then the likely hood of understanding what has been recorded in the other parts of the Bible will, more than likely, also be interpreted wrongly.

The Parable of the Minas and the talents is about what happens while Satan in imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years and that when he is released and returns, his expectations is that he can claim the harvest of the souls of the Saints for himself so that he can establish his deity over the peoples of the earth. Many people will fall away from their relationship with God, but after the Judgement the faithful Saints, they will inherit the whole earth as promised.

Now, how precise I am with my estimates as to when these event swill take place, it really depends on how our chronological calendar meshes with the biblical chronological timeline. How great is that mesh error is open to debate as can be seen in the various debates as to when the flood, or the exile or the exodus actually occurred with reference to our present day calendar. The word "around," hides the true extent of the possible error and it could be greater than plus or minus five years. Based on the statement of Jesus found in the single verse at Matt 24:32 the timespan for the period of time from when the fig tree first begins to bud new leaves until when the Summer Season begins, is indeterminant because of either the early or late Spring or Summer seasons.

 

[Robert Gwin]

What is it that you see occurring soon? That Jesus will appear on the face of the earth to rule the earth for 1,000 years?

That is not what I understand will happen.

Satan and his fellow fallen angels, will be judge in heaven soon, and when they are kicked out they will be imprisoned for 1,000 years, i.e. for many days, awaiting for the time of their punishment in the Lake of fire.

Now if Daniel 7:9-14 shows a sequence of events that will take place in heaven, then Jesus is not given dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should serve Him, until the beasts, the little horn and Satan are judged and imprisoned.

Now when the Bottomless pit is unlocked after the 1,000 years of imprisonment, then we will see the four facetted beast as described in Daniel 7:19-26 and also in Revelation 13, 18, 19 etc. during the little while period before they are captured again and dispatched into the Lake of Fire. Then Satan will also be captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire as well. It is only then that the Judgement of all of the people of the earth will begin.

You see Robert, if you have not understood what is said in one part of the bible, then the likely hood of understanding what has been recorded in the other parts of the Bible will, more than likely, also be interpreted wrongly.

The Parable of the Minas and the talents is about what happens while Satan in imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years and that when he is released and returns, his expectations is that he can claim the harvest of the souls of the Saints for himself so that he can establish his deity over the peoples of the earth. Many people will fall away from their relationship with God, but after the Judgement the faithful Saints, they will inherit the whole earth as promised.

Now, how precise I am with my estimates as to when these event swill take place, it really depends on how our chronological calendar meshes with the biblical chronological timeline. How great is that mesh error is open to debate as can be seen in the various debates as to when the flood, or the exile or the exodus actually occurred with reference to our present day calendar. The word "around," hides the true extent of the possible error and it could be greater than plus or minus five years. Based on the statement of Jesus found in the single verse at Matt 24:32 the timespan for the period of time from when the fig tree first begins to bud new leaves until when the Summer Season begins, is indeterminant because of either the early or late Spring or Summer seasons.

You are about a century behind us in time Jay. Why do you think we all of a sudden became technologically advanced? I believe it is because the demons who are gods compared to us have resided among us for over a century. Yes I believe we are very near the return of Jesus, and then he will remove them from the earth. I think most faiths that claim to be Christian believe that, we are far from being alone in that understanding.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are about a century behind us in time Jay. Why do you think we all of a sudden became technologically advanced? I believe it is because the demons who are gods compared to us have resided among us for over a century. Yes I believe we are very near the return of Jesus, and then he will remove them from the earth. I think most faiths that claim to be Christian believe that, we are far from being alone in that understanding.

It seems that you believe that you are more advanced in your understanding than anyone else at this present time. Well I have news for you, you are behind the eight ball as the OT prophets saw the demons back in their day and have written down their warning of what they saw back over 2,300 years ago. Paul nearly 2,000 years ago wrote that we were fighting against spiritual entities when he penned this: -

Ephesians 6:10-12: - 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.​

NKJV​

As for becoming more technologically advanced in recent times, well there is evidence that in the distant past people were performing advanced surgeries just like we are doing today.

That people are just as self centred today as they were in the distant past. Yes, our knowledge has advanced, but our understanding has not changed. Today we still play at being god like in our actions just like the people did in our distant past.

Yes, "the demons who are gods compared to us have resided among us for" many years, but far longer than the time period that you have suggested of just over 100 years, the truth of this matter is that their influence has been occurring since the time of Adam. The scriptures tells us this.

Now as far as Christ removing these demons from the earth in the near future, this is not quite right. When the Heavenly Hosts are judged in the Heavens and the Kings of the earth are judged on the earth, they will be collected together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment, just as Isaiah wrote: -

Isaiah 24:19-22: -

19 The earth is violently broken,

The earth is split open,
The earth is shaken exceedingly.​

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard,

And shall totter like a hut;
Its transgression shall be heavy upon it,
And it will fall, and not rise again.
​

21 It shall come to pass in that day

That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.​

22 They will be gathered together,

As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished. ​

NKJV​

The time of this judgement is in our near future, probably around 22 years from now, and the wicked heavenly hosts who are influencing mankind at this time, will be curtailed for 1,000 years while the pit is locked, but after the 1,000 years have pasted, they will be able to influence mankind during the little while period that is to occur in the last few years of the seventh age which scholars have labelled as the Millennium Age.

The Book of Revelation confirms this understanding.

The Book of Revelation does not support your presented understanding of the JWs.

 

[Robert Gwin]

It seems that you believe that you are more advanced in your understanding than anyone else at this present time. Well I have news for you, you are behind the eight ball as the OT prophets saw the demons back in their day and have written down their warning of what they saw back over 2,300 years ago. Paul nearly 2,000 years ago wrote that we were fighting against spiritual entities when he penned this: -

Ephesians 6:10-12: - 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.​

NKJV​

As for becoming more technologically advanced in recent times, well there is evidence that in the distant past people were performing advanced surgeries just like we are doing today.

That people are just as self centred today as they were in the distant past. Yes, our knowledge has advanced, but our understanding has not changed. Today we still play at being god like in our actions just like the people did in our distant past.

Yes, "the demons who are gods compared to us have resided among us for" many years, but far longer than the time period that you have suggested of just over 100 years, the truth of this matter is that their influence has been occurring since the time of Adam. The scriptures tells us this.

Now as far as Christ removing these demons from the earth in the near future, this is not quite right. When the Heavenly Hosts are judged in the Heavens and the Kings of the earth are judged on the earth, they will be collected together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment, just as Isaiah wrote: -

Isaiah 24:19-22: -

19 The earth is violently broken,

The earth is split open,
The earth is shaken exceedingly.​

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard,

And shall totter like a hut;
Its transgression shall be heavy upon it,
And it will fall, and not rise again.
​

21 It shall come to pass in that day

That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.​

22 They will be gathered together,

As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished. ​

NKJV​

The time of this judgement is in our near future, probably around 22 years from now, and the wicked heavenly hosts who are influencing mankind at this time, will be curtailed for 1,000 years while the pit is locked, but after the 1,000 years have pasted, they will be able to influence mankind during the little while period that is to occur in the last few years of the seventh age which scholars have labelled as the Millennium Age.

The Book of Revelation confirms this understanding.

The Book of Revelation does not support your presented understanding of the JWs.

We do agree however that we are very close to the start of the 1,000 yrs. I certainly do not know the day or hour sir, but I can narrow it down to within 3 days.

 

[Jay Ross]

We do agree however that we are very close to the start of the 1,000 yrs. I certainly do not know the day or hour sir, but I can narrow it down to within 3 days.

Really, you can narrow it down to within 3 days when the time of the judgement of the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be judged and subsequently imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment?

Without tell us of your perceived time frame when the judged heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be imprisoned for 1,000 years will occur, your claim is nothing more than hot air conjecture on your part.

Now I can from the scriptures, determine when the healing of the earth will occur with respect to when Adam was created, but to determine how that time period translate to the calendar that we use today is clouded with much misunderstanding and faulty interpretations as to what is meant within the scriptures on our part.

We all have our blind spots WRT scriptural prophecy and the teaching of the JW's IMHO certainly has many many. Sadly the JW's are not the only "denomination" where the errors in understanding and interpretation are glaringly obvious.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Really, you can narrow it down to within 3 days when the time of the judgement of the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be judged and subsequently imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment?

Without tell us of your perceived time frame when the judged heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be imprisoned for 1,000 years will occur, your claim is nothing more than hot air conjecture on your part.

Now I can from the scriptures, determine when the healing of the earth will occur with respect to when Adam was created, but to determine how that time period translate to the calendar that we use today is clouded with much misunderstanding and faulty interpretations as to what is meant within the scriptures on our part.

We all have our blind spots WRT scriptural prophecy and the teaching of the JW's IMHO certainly has many many. Sadly the JW's are not the only "denomination" where the errors in understanding and interpretation are glaringly obvious.

Well Jay, I guess I have to put up or shut up, I say that the return of Jesus will happen within three days of Wednesday. When it comes if we are both still here, we will see if I am correct sir. If I am not, I will publicly apologize to you.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well Jay, I guess I have to put up or shut up, I say that the return of Jesus will happen within three days of Wednesday. When it comes if we are both still here, we will see if I am correct sir. If I am not, I will publicly apologize to you.

Well then, I enjoyed your humour, it was a good joke, and it told me that your understanding is meaningless when it comes to understanding the prophetic timeline. What you are doing is pushing the JW's line of teaching and I know, beyond any doubt on my part, that the sign posts that have been used to hang this theory on, leads to a wrong conclusion.

Now you can believe what you like, but to be honest, I will not be the only one who rejects this teaching.

An error is an error no matter how it is presented or which denominational "cult" is pushing it.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well then, I enjoyed your humour, it was a good joke, and it told me that your understanding is meaningless when it comes to understanding the prophetic timeline. What you are doing is pushing the JW's line of teaching and I know, beyond any doubt on my part, that the sign posts that have been used to hang this theory on, leads to a wrong conclusion.

Now you can believe what you like, but to be honest, I will not be the only one who rejects this teaching.

An error is an error no matter how it is presented or which denominational "cult" is pushing it.

I fully realize that Jay, the Bible is quite clear that most will choose to reject the Way sir. Worshiping Jehovah is a requirement for salvation, and most do reject that, which we as His witnesses have to accept, however like Him, we continue on declaring the good news as there are still some that will accept it, if there was no more left, then Jesus would have came, because when we reach all to God's satisfaction God will send Jesus Mat 24:14. Like Jehovah we desire all to come to repentance and worship God 2 Pet 3:9, that is why "time" is still going on.