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[Truther]

First of all - they didn't create the siblings of Jesus because He had NONE.

Secondly - even IF you believe that He did - what you said about His mother is disrespectful.
As I indiucated before - it would be disrespectful to say that about ANYBODY's mother. - let alone HIS - so grow up . . .

Jesus had several siblings from Joseph and Mary.

Go ask her statue if you don't believe me.

 

[BreadOfLife]

a) why is the comment "oooh baby" "preverted"?
b) what language is "Goo ludk with that"?

Only an idiot would read that an not understand that it is disrespectful.

 

[Truther]

a) why is the comment "oooh baby" "preverted"?
b) what language is "Goo ludk with that"?

Even priests think.."ooh baby".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus had several siblings from Joseph and Mary.

Go ask her statue if you don't believe me.

Funny - the Bible NEVER mentions Mary gaving other kids besides Jesus.
Where do you get your fairy tales, son?

 

[Truther]

Funny - the Bible NEVER mentions Mary gaving other kids besides Jesus.
Where do you get your fairy tales, son?

Are you calling the scripture a fairy tale?

 

[Truther]

Only an idiot would read that an not understand that it is disrespectful.

Especially to the statue of Mary.

She even turned red faced.

 

[Truther]

First of all - they didn't create the siblings of Jesus because He had NONE.

Secondly - even IF you believe that He did - what you said about His mother is disrespectful.
As I indiucated before - it would be disrespectful to say that about ANYBODY's mother. - let alone HIS - so grow up . . .

Did Joseph get engaged to Mary with no lustful intentions?

Is he "holy Joseph" too?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are you calling the scripture a fairy tale?

Nope - just YOUR failed interpretation of it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Especially to the statue of Mary.
She even turned red faced.

Nope - only an idiot . . .

 

[Jim B]

First of all - they didn't create the siblings of Jesus because He had NONE.

Secondly - even IF you believe that He did - what you said about His mother is disrespectful.
As I indiucated before - it would be disrespectful to say that about ANYBODY's mother. - let alone HIS - so grow up . . .

My Bible says this in Matthew 12:46-47, "While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and brothers came and stood outside, asking to speak to him. Someone told him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside wanting to speak to you.” NET v2.1

Apparently these verses aren't in your Bible, so buy a new one that tells the truth.

Why is "Joseph did not lust on Mary as they created the siblings of Jesus" disrespectful? How else are children created?

 

[BreadOfLife]

My Bible says this in Matthew 12:46-47, "While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and brothers came and stood outside, asking to speak to him. Someone told him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside wanting to speak to you.” NET v2.1

Apparently these verses aren't in your Bible, so buy a new one that tells the truth.

Why is "Joseph did not lust on Mary as they created the siblings of Jesus" disrespectful? How else are children created?

Ummmmm, where does it say they were MARY’S kids?
Where does it say they were uterine siblings of Jesus?
Time for to take you BOTH out to the "Scriptural Woodshed" . . .

The Greek word, “Adelphos” is used in Scripture for brother of same parents, half-brother (same father), relative, kinship, same tribe, and even a fellow countryman, etd.

- In Gen. 14:14, Lot is called Abraham’s "brother", even though Lot was his NEPHEW (Gen. 11:26–28).

- In Gen. 29:15, Jacob is referred to as the "brother" of his UNCLE Laban.

- Brothers Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar’s daughters married their "brethren”, the sons of Kish - who were actually their COUSINS (1 Chr. 23:21–22).

As a matter of fact, Einstein - there are 344 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used in the NT.
41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.
47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.
256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.

And, regarding those “named siblings” of Jesus – here’s some MORE bad news for you . . .
Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome").

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

When you compare the different accounts of the crucifixion, they CLEARLY show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus.
Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.

 

[Truther]

I wouldn't let you disrespect MY mother with a perverted comment like that.
Imagine what Jesus wll do to you when He judges you for saying that about HIS mother.

Goo ludk wuth that . . .

When Jesus raises his mother from the dead at the end of the world he will sort that out with her.

 

[Jim B]

Only an idiot would read that an not understand that it is disrespectful.

Am I supposedly an idiot because I don't agree with you? Your pride is astonishing!

Your mind has obviously blinded you to what the Bible -- God's word -- clearly says. Jesus had brothers. If you don't believe what the Bible says take that up with God, not me.

I'm done discussing this with you.

P.S. It's beyond disrespectful to call yourself "BreadofLife". No wonder you're so confused!
P.P.S. Ever wonder why you get such a small percentage of "likes" about your posts?

 

[BreadOfLife]

When Jesus raises his mother from the dead at the end of the world he will sort that out with her.

Nope - Her's gonna take it up with YOU.
YOU'RE the one who disrespected His mother - and YOU'RE the one He will deal with . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Am I supposedly an idiot because I don't agree with you? Your pride is astonishing!

He - I never called you anything.
But, if that's what you got out of it - so be it . . .

Your mind has obviously blinded you to what the Bible -- God's word -- clearly says. Jesus had brothers. If you don't believe what the Bible says take that up with God, not me.
I'm done discussing this with you.
P.S. It's beyond disrespectful to call yourself "BreadofLife". No wonder you're so confused!
P.P.S. Ever wonder why you get such a small percentage of "likes" about your posts?

No - you're "done" discussing this topic because I destroyed your position in my last post.

The pathetic truth is that you are unable to present a Scriptural rebutral to the Scriptural trouncing you received in post #271. Jesus has relative - not brothers.
Next time - do your homework . . .

PS - you find ME "disrespectful" because I exposed you?
Imagine how Jesus feels about how YOU and your friend, @Truther disrespected His mother . . .

 

[Jim B]

Here are some texts about Jesus' brothers (and sisters!) and the NET translator's notes...

The issue of whether Jesus had brothers (siblings) has had a long history in the church. Epiphanius, in the 4th century, argued that Mary was a perpetual virgin and had no offspring other than Jesus. Others argued that these brothers were really cousins. Nothing in the text suggests any of this. (my emphasis)

Jesus’ brothers (really his half brothers) were mentioned previously by John in 2:12 (see the note on brothers there). They are also mentioned elsewhere in Matt 13:55 and Mark 6:3.

With respect to Jesus’ brothers, the so-called Helvidian view is to be preferred (named after Helvidius, a 4th-century theologian). This view holds that the most natural way to understand the phrase is as a reference to children of Joseph and Mary after the birth of Jesus. Other views are that of Epiphanius (they were children of Joseph by a former marriage) or Jerome (they were cousins). The tradition of Mary’s perpetual virginity appeared in the 2nd century and is difficult to explain (as J. H. Bernard, St. John [ICC], 1:85, points out) if some of her other children were prominent members of the early church (e.g., James of Jerusalem). But this is outweighed by the natural sense of the words.

Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother named Mary? And aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Matthew 13:55

Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And aren’t his sisters(!) here with us?” And so they took offense at him. Mark 6:3

All the emphases are mine, of course.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here are some texts about Jesus' brothers (and sisters!) and the NET translator's notes...

The issue of whether Jesus had brothers (siblings) has had a long history in the church. Epiphanius, in the 4th century, argued that Mary was a perpetual virgin and had no offspring other than Jesus. Others argued that these brothers were really cousins. Nothing in the text suggests any of this. (my emphasis)

Jesus’ brothers (really his half brothers) were mentioned previously by John in 2:12 (see the note on brothers there). They are also mentioned elsewhere in Matt 13:55 and Mark 6:3.

With respect to Jesus’ brothers, the so-called Helvidian view is to be preferred (named after Helvidius, a 4th-century theologian). This view holds that the most natural way to understand the phrase is as a reference to children of Joseph and Mary after the birth of Jesus. Other views are that of Epiphanius (they were children of Joseph by a former marriage) or Jerome (they were cousins). The tradition of Mary’s perpetual virginity appeared in the 2nd century and is difficult to explain (as J. H. Bernard, St. John [ICC], 1:85, points out) if some of her other children were prominent members of the early church (e.g., James of Jerusalem). But this is outweighed by the natural sense of the words.

Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother named Mary? And aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Matthew 13:55

Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And aren’t his sisters(!) here with us?” And so they took offense at him. Mark 6:3

All the emphases are mine, of course.

Now, that was a well-researched response. Instead of running from the argument and playing the "denial game" as so many others do - you actually presented historical evidence for your argument.

Unfortunately - Jerome already destroyed Helvidius's argumewnt back in the 4th century in his treatiste, Against Helvidius, usubg much of the same evidence I presented in post #271. Of course - Jerome presented it long before I did.

Please address those arguments.

 

[Truther]

Am I supposedly an idiot because I don't agree with you? Your pride is astonishing!

Your mind has obviously blinded you to what the Bible -- God's word -- clearly says. Jesus had brothers. If you don't believe what the Bible says take that up with God, not me.

I'm done discussing this with you.

P.S. It's beyond disrespectful to call yourself "BreadofLife". No wonder you're so confused!
P.P.S. Ever wonder why you get such a small percentage of "likes" about your posts?

Yes, Jesus had biological siblings.

Catholics are hung up on virginity for some weird reason.

 

[Truther]

Nope - Her's gonna take it up with YOU.
YOU'RE the one who disrespected His mother - and YOU'RE the one He will deal with . . .

Mary is dead and waiting to be resurrected in the rapture of the church along with all her other children and her loving, romantically involved HUSBAND, Joseph.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mary is dead and waiting to be resurrected in the rapture of the church along with all her other children and her loving, romantically involved HUSBAND, Joseph.

Nopr - she's already in Heaven (Rev. 11:19, Rev. 12:1-5).
STUDY your Bible, Einstein . . .

Yes, Jesus had biological siblings.
Catholics are hung up on virginity for some weird reason.

No - we're just hung up on the fact that NONE of you geniuses can show us where the Bible makes your idiotic claim.

Ummmmmm I so I guess NONE of you is able to address the airtight Scriptural case I made back in post #271?
That's what I thought . . .