What is "Parousia"?

[amigo de christo]

safe from the deceptoins of men and of the dragon

 

[Jim B]

This too is why we drink not of the blood . For the blood is the life .
Even the law POINTS TO JESUS .
The very sacrfice of animals , the BLOOD was what purified them . an aminal had to lose its life
in order for the cleansing of the flesh .
And yet a far greater sacrifice has been made which can cleanse even the very conscious of a man .
The life is in the blood and there is no blood that even could compare to that of one who was and is SINLESS
and unlike even the animals who did not VOLUNTEER to give up their lives , JESUS DID HIS OWN for the sake of the world that
all who would believe would have eternal life .
Another thing i have read on and seen a nugget of truth is this .
What was the very commandment given about the PRIESTS who were to enter into and offer the bread
and offerings . What could not been seen on him . NO BLEMISH on the outside . no mole , no dwarf
no etc . BUT THEN read the message that GOD giveth unto samuel and YE shall see WHO ALONE
was to be and only COULD BE THE ONE TRUE GREAT HIGH PRIEST .
For GOD told samuel something . HE said LOOK not on his outward appearance
FOR GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART , what is on the inside .
A GREATER AND TRUE HIGH PRIEST was coming which could make the atonement for sins .
BUT that HIGH PREIST would have to be without BLEMISH ON THE INSIDE . THERE IS NO MAN that has not sinned .
SO ONLY ONE COULD BE THAT HIGH PRIEST . HE WHO NEVER SINNED .
HE alone who was worthy , righteous and without spot or blemish on the inside would be the very one
who alone could save mankind . ONLY GOD IS WITHOUT SIN . THUS THE WORD DID BECOME FLESH
the perfect holy righteous one took on the form of man , made in the likness of that same sinful flesh
so that HE alone would overcome and fullfill the law of righteous that all who do believe
would be made the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN HIM . JESUS CHRIST THE KING .
Now let all that has breath and loves the LORD in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH
dance a jig of great praise and thanksgiving unto the MIGHTY GOD who sent the SON to be the savoir of the world
that all who do BELIEVE would be saved . JESUS IS who HE said HE IS
and as such LET US BELIEVE HIS EVERY WORD , FOR EVERY WORD HE EVER SPOKE CAME FROM GOD .
But the question now is , AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THE ANSWER , are we gonna follow
men and what they say GOD IS AND CHRIST IS , or are we gonna FOLLOW GOD AND CHRIST and simply LOVE and
embrace HIS TEACHINGS . The world and her religious do as they do
But lambs , WELL THEY DO AS GOD SAID , AS JESUS SAID to do . ANd they will not
heed a twister of the word , a strangers voice . FOR THE LORD goeth before them and is their rear gaurd .
THEY feast UPON the green pastures of HIS teachings and HE KEEPETH THEM SAFE .

Great post!

 

[David in NJ]

This too is why we drink not of the blood . For the blood is the life .
Even the law POINTS TO JESUS .
The very sacrfice of animals , the BLOOD was what purified them . an aminal had to lose its life
in order for the cleansing of the flesh .
And yet a far greater sacrifice has been made which can cleanse even the very conscious of a man .
The life is in the blood and there is no blood that even could compare to that of one who was and is SINLESS
and unlike even the animals who did not VOLUNTEER to give up their lives , JESUS DID HIS OWN for the sake of the world that
all who would believe would have eternal life .
Another thing i have read on and seen a nugget of truth is this .
What was the very commandment given about the PRIESTS who were to enter into and offer the bread
and offerings . What could not been seen on him . NO BLEMISH on the outside . no mole , no dwarf
no etc . BUT THEN read the message that GOD giveth unto samuel and YE shall see WHO ALONE
was to be and only COULD BE THE ONE TRUE GREAT HIGH PRIEST .
For GOD told samuel something . HE said LOOK not on his outward appearance
FOR GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART , what is on the inside .
A GREATER AND TRUE HIGH PRIEST was coming which could make the atonement for sins .
BUT that HIGH PREIST would have to be without BLEMISH ON THE INSIDE . THERE IS NO MAN that has not sinned .
SO ONLY ONE COULD BE THAT HIGH PRIEST . HE WHO NEVER SINNED .
HE alone who was worthy , righteous and without spot or blemish on the inside would be the very one
who alone could save mankind . ONLY GOD IS WITHOUT SIN . THUS THE WORD DID BECOME FLESH
the perfect holy righteous one took on the form of man , made in the likness of that same sinful flesh
so that HE alone would overcome and fullfill the law of righteous that all who do believe
would be made the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN HIM . JESUS CHRIST THE KING .
Now let all that has breath and loves the LORD in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH
dance a jig of great praise and thanksgiving unto the MIGHTY GOD who sent the SON to be the savoir of the world
that all who do BELIEVE would be saved . JESUS IS who HE said HE IS
and as such LET US BELIEVE HIS EVERY WORD , FOR EVERY WORD HE EVER SPOKE CAME FROM GOD .
But the question now is , AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THE ANSWER , are we gonna follow
men and what they say GOD IS AND CHRIST IS , or are we gonna FOLLOW GOD AND CHRIST and simply LOVE and
embrace HIS TEACHINGS . The world and her religious do as they do
But lambs , WELL THEY DO AS GOD SAID , AS JESUS SAID to do . ANd they will not
heed a twister of the word , a strangers voice . FOR THE LORD goeth before them and is their rear gaurd .
THEY feast UPON the green pastures of HIS teachings and HE KEEPETH THEM SAFE .

AMEN = "for man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from His Mouth" Matt 4:4

On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Notice that what God speaks the SON speaks and if we want to know God we must FIRST come to know and love His SON.

 

[amigo de christo]

Great post!

ANYTHING THAT POINTS TO GOD to CHRIST ALONE GIVETH HOPE . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
there is no greater joy than to POINT to GOD and to HIS CHRIST . all have sinned
all have fallen far short , far short of the glory and righteousness of almighty GOD .
BUT JESUS has overcome that all who do beleive would be saved . THERE is no hope in men and in mankind
BUT THERE IS HOPE IN THE GLORIOUS LORD . POINT TO HE ALONE and love and embrace HIS every Word .

 

[Jim B]

ANYTHING THAT POINTS TO GOD to CHRIST ALONE GIVETH HOPE . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
there is no greater joy than to POINT to GOD and to HIS CHRIST . all have sinned
all have fallen far short , far short of the glory and righteousness of almighty GOD .
BUT JESUS has overcome that all who do beleive would be saved . THERE is no hope in men and in mankind
BUT THERE IS HOPE IN THE GLORIOUS LORD . POINT TO HE ALONE and love and embrace HIS every Word .

Another great post!

 

[amigo de christo]

AMEN = "for man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from His Mouth" Matt 4:4

On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Notice that what God speaks the SON speaks and if we want to know God we must FIRST come to know and love His SON.

marvel not for no man can come to ME lest the FATHER draw him .
ALL who have learned and been taught of GOD comes TO ME .
There is no way to the FATHER but by the SON . Phillip ,how long a time have I been with you .
HE who has seen me HAS SEEN THE FATHER . LET THE KING be praised .
No lamb will follow this all inclusive many path to GOD LIE . and no lamb will follow
another jesus who honors sin either . JESUS NEVER HONORED SIN
SO if any other man , spirit or prophet or man or etc does so , YOU KNOW they are not hearing FROM GOD OR HIS CHRIST .
JESUS did not come so that sin could finally be honored or allowed .
HE came rather to give us power over sin , to set us free from the power of sin .
Not to wallow in it and call it good .

 

[Aunty Jane]

"for man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from His Mouth" Matt 4:4

Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 where the Tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew text.....so that should read “every word that proceeds from יִֽחְיֶ֣ה (Yahweh's) mouth”.....the Logos is the one who speaks God’s words, because that is what his title means...he is and always has been God’s spokesman.

On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

This “heir” is the son of the one who grants him the inheritance. It was the Father who “appointed” him and gave him his authority (Matt 28:18) and it is “through” the son that God made all things. Agency means that God is the Creator and the son in the facilitator (or fabricator) of that creation, using the raw materials brought into existence by his Father, and the power of his spirit to accomplish the task.

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

But the next verse tends to be hard to explain which is why I guess, you omitted it.....?
Here is the full passage....Hebrews 1:3-4...NASB...
"And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they."

OK...we can see that Jesus radiated God's glory.....what is this glory?
John 17:4-5...
"I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."
Jesus was always a glorious being as all heavenly beings are. His transfiguration showed his disciples what his glory would look like in that vision. Beings and even actions can be "glorious"....not just God.

And how is Jesus "the exact representation of his nature"? Jesus reflected his Father's personality so perfectly, that seeing Jesus was like seeing his Father. But his Father was still in heaven...the one to whom Jesus prayed....the one who anointed him with holy spirit as his "Christ" in 29CE.

How can the son (whom you believe is also God) "become better than the angels".....having "inherited a name more excellent than theirs"?
Wasn't he always "better than the angels", and wasn't his "name more excellent than theirs" all along?

Notice that what God speaks the SON speaks and if we want to know God we must FIRST come to know and love His SON.

Since he is God's spokesman, he has always spoken what his God told him to speak, as he said whilst a man on earth....
John 5:19, 30...
“Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. . . . . I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."

John 8:38...
"So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me."

And on the night of his arrest Jesus prayed....
Luke 22:42...
"Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
Can the son have a different will to his Father if they are one and the same entity, equal in all respects?

In speaking of the final days of this world system Jesus said....
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."
Can the Father know things that the son does not?

It seems to me that those who support Christendom's view of things hardly ever consider the vast amount of scripture that disagrees with what they have been taught.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 where the Tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew text.....so that should read “every word that proceeds from יִֽחְיֶ֣ה (Yahweh's) mouth”.....the Logos is the one who speaks God’s words, because that is what his title means...he is and always has been God’s spokesman.

This “heir” is the son of the one who grants him the inheritance. It was the Father who “appointed” him and gave him his authority (Matt 28:18) and it is “through” the son that God made all things. Agency means that God is the Creator and the son in the facilitator (or fabricator) of that creation, using the raw materials brought into existence by his Father, and the power of his spirit to accomplish the task.

But the next verse tends to be hard to explain which is why I guess, you omitted it.....?
Here is the full passage....Hebrews 1:3-4...NASB...
"And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they."

OK...we can see that Jesus radiated God's glory.....what is this glory?
John 17:4-5...
"I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."
Jesus was always a glorious being as all heavenly beings are. His transfiguration showed his disciples what his glory would look like in that vision. Beings and even actions can be "glorious"....not just God.

And how is Jesus "the exact representation of his nature"? Jesus reflected his Father's personality so perfectly, that seeing Jesus was like seeing his Father. But his Father was still in heaven...the one to whom Jesus prayed....the one who anointed him with holy spirit as his "Christ" in 29CE.

How can the son (whom you believe is also God) "become better than the angels".....having "inherited a name more excellent than theirs"?
Wasn't he always "better than the angels", and wasn't his "name more excellent than theirs" all along?

Since he is God's spokesman, he has always spoken what his God told him to speak, as he said whilst a man on earth....
John 5:19, 30...
“Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. . . . . I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."

John 8:38...
"So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me."

And on the night of his arrest Jesus prayed....
Luke 22:42...
"Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
Can the son have a different will to his Father if they are one and the same entity, equal in all respects?

In speaking of the final days of this world system Jesus said....
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."
Can the Father know things that the son does not?

It seems to me that those who support Christendom's view of things hardly ever consider the vast amount of scripture that disagrees with what they have been taught.

So you believe Jesus was an Angel before he came to earth?

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 where the Tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew text.....so that should read “every word that proceeds from יִֽחְיֶ֣ה (Yahweh's) mouth”.....the Logos is the one who speaks God’s words, because that is what his title means...he is and always has been God’s spokesman.

This “heir” is the son of the one who grants him the inheritance. It was the Father who “appointed” him and gave him his authority (Matt 28:18) and it is “through” the son that God made all things. Agency means that God is the Creator and the son in the facilitator (or fabricator) of that creation, using the raw materials brought into existence by his Father, and the power of his spirit to accomplish the task.

But the next verse tends to be hard to explain which is why I guess, you omitted it.....?
Here is the full passage....Hebrews 1:3-4...NASB...
"And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they."

OK...we can see that Jesus radiated God's glory.....what is this glory?
John 17:4-5...
"I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."
Jesus was always a glorious being as all heavenly beings are. His transfiguration showed his disciples what his glory would look like in that vision. Beings and even actions can be "glorious"....not just God.

And how is Jesus "the exact representation of his nature"? Jesus reflected his Father's personality so perfectly, that seeing Jesus was like seeing his Father. But his Father was still in heaven...the one to whom Jesus prayed....the one who anointed him with holy spirit as his "Christ" in 29CE.

How can the son (whom you believe is also God) "become better than the angels".....having "inherited a name more excellent than theirs"?
Wasn't he always "better than the angels", and wasn't his "name more excellent than theirs" all along?

Since he is God's spokesman, he has always spoken what his God told him to speak, as he said whilst a man on earth....
John 5:19, 30...
“Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. . . . . I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."

John 8:38...
"So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me."

And on the night of his arrest Jesus prayed....
Luke 22:42...
"Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
Can the son have a different will to his Father if they are one and the same entity, equal in all respects?

In speaking of the final days of this world system Jesus said....
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."
Can the Father know things that the son does not?

It seems to me that those who support Christendom's view of things hardly ever consider the vast amount of scripture that disagrees with what they have been taught.

Do you believe Jesus was an Angel with God before he came to earth?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Do you believe Jesus was an Angel with God before he came to earth?

I believe that Jesus was God’s “firstborn” and “only begotten Son”. That is what the scriptures call him and I believe that he was a unique creation of his Father. (Rev 3:14) All creation came “through” the son but nowhere is Jesus ever called “Yahweh” nor does any verse call him the Creator.

I believe that the Father is Jesus’ God even in heaven. (Rev 3:12)

 

[keithr]

Keep this in your mind & heart = the Word was God and the Word became flesh

I guess you didn't bother reading the post/video that I linked to.

There is none besides Me. = John 8:24

In that verse, Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah, not claiming to be God.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (WEB):

(4) Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one.​

(5) For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many “lords”;​

(6) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.​

the FATHER says you are to worship His SON = John 5:18-23

I don't think so! In that passage Jesus says that everyone should honour Jesus (the Son) just as thay honour God (the Father). It does not mention worshipping.

 

[David in NJ]

I guess you didn't bother reading the post/video that I linked to.


In that verse, Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah, not claiming to be God.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (WEB):

(4) Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one.​

(5) For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many “lords”;​

(6) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.​

I don't think so! In that passage Jesus says that everyone should honour Jesus (the Son) just as thay honour God (the Father). It does not mention worshipping.

Do you desire God and Truth???

God says you are to honor His Son just as you are to honor the Father = and you say - nah..........

JESUS never prayed to YHWH = not once
JESUS never spoke of YHWH = not once
JESUS only spoke of His FATHER

The Apostle John calls JESUS his God = Revelation ch1

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.'

 

[David in NJ]

I believe that Jesus was God’s “firstborn” and “only begotten Son”. That is what the scriptures call him and I believe that he was a unique creation of his Father. (Rev 3:14) All creation came “through” the son but nowhere is Jesus ever called “Yahweh” nor does any verse call him the Creator.

I believe that the Father is Jesus’ God even in heaven. (Rev 3:12)

So then you believe the Apostle John lied when he wrote: "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God."

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

the LORD Jesus fulfills every aspect of this from Isaiah 44:6

So who is lying?

 

[Aunty Jane]

So then you believe the Apostle John lied when he wrote: "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God."

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

the LORD Jesus fulfills every aspect of this from Isaiah 44:6

So who is lying?

No one is lying.....that is the point.....it is human interpretation of what scripture says that is at fault.

Have you read John 1:1 in the Greek Interlinear?
If you know anything about translation, you would know that the Greek scriptures adopted the Jewish tradition of avoiding the pronouncing of God's name audibly. The Jews retained the divine name in their text but substituted it in their speech with the titles "adonai" (LORD) and "elohim" (GOD). The Greeks actually included the Hebrew tetragrammaton in their Greek text as ancient fragments have shown. But somewhere along the way that was discontinued and they resorted to the Greek "Kyrios" which simply means "Lord". This is where the problem originated...with man, not with God's word.

In the Greek scriptures, the substitution continued even in verses quoted from the Hebrew text where the divine name was clearly seen.
Jesus said he had come to make his Father's name known, so the apostles would have heard it many times in his quotations from the Hebrew scriptures where it occurs almost 7,000 times.
John 17:6-8...
“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me."

That being said, how would the apostles have responded to the divine name?
English Bible translators have assumed that the divine name never occurred in the inspired writings of Christ’s disciples. But Jeromeʹ, for one, is quoted as saying: “Matthew, who is also Levi, and who from a publican came to be an apostle, first of all the Evangelists, composed a Gospel of Christ in Ju·daeʹa in the Hebrew language and characters, for the benefit of those of the circumcision who had believed. . . . wherever the Evangelist makes use of the testimonies of the old Scriptures he does not follow the authority of the seventy translators [the Greek Septuagint], but of the Hebrew.” (Catal. Script. Eccl.)

Even in the fourth century Jerome tells us that in his day there were still copies of the Greek translation which contained the Hebrew “tet·ra·gramʹma·ton” where the divine name occurred in the text.

So, where Matthew quoted in Hebrew from the inspired Hebrew Scriptures, he must have faithfully quoted the divine name and thus have put it in his Gospel account. The scripture quoted above acknowledges this I believe.

But getting back to the Greek translation of John 1:1 we see that the only way to identify GOD (Yahweh) who was called "ho theos" in Greek (meaning "THE God" or "the only God" among the pantheon of gods worshipped by the Greeks) whereas Jesus was just called "theos" without the definite article.

"Theos" in Greek doesn't just mean Yahweh....
Strongs, in its primary definition says "theos" is "a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities"...so you see we have a problem right at the outset in the word "god". Was Jesus "a god" or "the God"?

Now look at the way John 1:1 is rendered in Greek...
"In en the beginning archē was eimi the ho Word logos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi with pros · ho God theos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi God theos." Mounce Interlinear

You can see clearly that the definite article "ho" (the) is there with the first mention of God (meaning Yahweh) but is absent from the second (meaning that this is also a divine being, but he is not identified as "ho theos".)
Jesus is "ho logos" but he is NOT "ho theos". Jesus is the divine "son of God"....and that is all the scriptures ever call him. Not once did he claim equality with his Father. Israel's God was "one Yahweh". (Deuteronomy 6:4)

It pays to dig deep when the devil has had centuries to cast his deceptions into the minds of the influential men that he used to spread them.

 

[David in NJ]

No one is lying.....that is the point.....it is human interpretation of what scripture says that is at fault.

Have you read John 1:1 in the Greek Interlinear?
If you know anything about translation, you would know that the Greek scriptures adopted the Jewish tradition of avoiding the pronouncing of God's name audibly. The retained the divine name in their text but substituted it in their speech with the titles "adonai" (LORD) and "elohim" (GOD). The Greeks actually included the Hebrew tetragrammaton in their Greek text as ancient fragments have shown. But somewhere along the way that was discontinued and they resorted to the Greek "Kyrios" which simply means "Lord". This is where the problem originated...with man, not with God's word.

In the Greek scriptures, the substitution continued even in verses quoted from the Hebrew text where the divine name was clearly seen.
Jesus said he had come to make his Father's name known, so the apostles would have heard it many times in his quotations from the Hebrew scriptures where it occurs almost 7,000 times.
John 17:6-8...
“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me."

That being said, how would the apostles have responded to the divine name?
English Bible translators have assumed that the divine name never occurred in the inspired writings of Christ’s disciples. But Jeromeʹ, for one, is quoted as saying: “Matthew, who is also Levi, and who from a publican came to be an apostle, first of all the Evangelists, composed a Gospel of Christ in Ju·daeʹa in the Hebrew language and characters, for the benefit of those of the circumcision who had believed. . . . wherever the Evangelist makes use of the testimonies of the old Scriptures he does not follow the authority of the seventy translators [the Greek Septuagint], but of the Hebrew.” (Catal. Script. Eccl.)

Even in the fourth century Jerome tells us that in his day there were still copies of the Greek translation which contained the Hebrew “tet·ra·gramʹma·ton” where the divine name occurred in the text.

So, where Matthew quoted in Hebrew from the inspired Hebrew Scriptures, he must have faithfully quoted the divine name and thus have put it in his Gospel account. The scripture quoted above acknowledges this I believe.

But getting back to the Greek translation of John 1:1 we see that the only way to identify GOD (Yahweh) who was called "ho theos" in Greek (meaning "THE God" or "the only God" among the pantheon of gods worshipped by the Greeks) whereas Jesus was just called "theos" without the definite article.

"Theos" in Greek doesn't just mean Yahweh....
Strongs, in its primary definition says "theos" is "a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities"...so you see we have a problem right at the outset in the word "god". Was Jesus "a god" or "the God"?

Now look at the way John 1:1 is rendered in Greek...
"In en the beginning archē was eimi the ho Word logos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi with pros · ho God theos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi God theos." (Mounce Interlinear)

You can see clearly that the definite article "ho" (the) is there with the first mention of God (meaning Yahweh) but is absent from the second (meaning that this is also a divine being, but he is not identified as "ho theos".
Jesus is "ho logos" but he is NOT "ho theos". Jesus is the divine "son of God"....and that is all the scriptures ever call him. Not once did he claim equality with his Father.

It pays to dig deep when the devil has had centuries to cast his deceptions into the minds of the influential men he used to spread them.

Gotta go for now.

Pray to the LORD Jesus Christ and ask Him to fill you with His Truth

Meditate on this Truth = Psalm 98:8-9 and Matthew 8:23-27

O LORD God of Hosts, who is like You?
O mighty LORD, Your faithfulness surrounds You.
You rule the raging sea;
when its waves mount up, You still them.

Now when He got into a boat, His disciples followed Him. And suddenly a great tempest arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep. Then His disciples came to Him and awoke Him, saying, “Lord, save us! We are perishing!”

But He said to them, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?”
Then He arose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm.
So the men marveled, saying, “Who can this be, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?”

 

[Aunty Jane]

Pray to the LORD Jesus Christ and ask Him to fill you with His Truth

I don't pray to the Lord Jesus Christ David...I pray to the God that Jesus taught us to pray to...."Our Father who are in heaven".....remember?
He is Jesus' Father as well as ours....he is also Jesus' God. (John 20:17)

Meditate on this Truth = Psalm 98:8-9 and Matthew 8:23-27

Meditation is what I have done for the last 50 years.....I am a student of God's word and I assure you that I study it very carefully.....I have to prove things to myself before I can ever relay them to others. Everything must fit into the 'big picture' that the Bible presents....Christendom's scenario is full of adopted doctrines, beliefs and practices that Christ never taught.

Can you show me a single scripture where anyone was told to pray to Jesus? They are missing along with the ones that say to pray to Mary.

We are to pray to the Father 'in Jesus' name' because he is God's appointed "mediator". (1 Tim 2:5)......
A mediator is a 'go between' for reconciliation between two estranged parties...."God and men", so he cannot be one of the parties.

O LORD God of Hosts, who is like You?
O mighty LORD, Your faithfulness surrounds You.
You rule the raging sea;
when its waves mount up, You still them.

This is speaking about Yahweh, not Jesus. (Psalm 89:8-9)
In the Jewish Tanakh it reads....

"O Lord, God of Hosts, who is like You, O Yah, Who are mighty? And Your faithfulness surrounds You.		טיְהֹוָ֨ה | אֱלֹ֘הֵ֚י צְבָא֗וֹת מִֽי־כָמ֖וֹךָ חֲסִ֥ין | יָ֑הּ וֶֽ֜אֱמוּנָֽתְךָ֗ סְבִֽיבוֹתֶֽיךָ:
10 You rule over the pride of the sea; when it raises its waves, You humble them.		יאַתָּ֣ה מ֖וֹשֵׁל בְּגֵא֣וּת הַיָּ֑ם בְּשׂ֥וֹא גַ֜לָּ֗יו אַתָּ֥ה תְשַׁבְּחֵֽם:

The "LORD God of Hosts" is Yahweh. (יְהֹוָ֨ה)

We see in the scriptures that Jesus the man was powerless until his baptism at the age of 30.....that is when he received the holy spirit....this is what empowered Jesus to perform the miracles that he did.....he used the power that God gave him to calm the sea and save those on board the boat. Jesus empowered the apostles by passing holy spirit on to them, and they too could perform miracles by using his name.
After Pentecost, when the apostles (and other disciples) received the holy spirit, they could lay hands on a man and bestow the power of the spirit on to them.

You are reading into scripture what you want to see.......just because Yahweh does things that the son can also do, doesn't make them one entity.
The apostles were in no doubt about who their "God" was.....
1 Cor 8:5-6...
"For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him."
Speaking collectively, Paul identified who their "one God" was..."the Father"...and Jesus Christ was their Lord and master. "Lord is NOT another name for God.....it is merely a title, common in Bible times.

Jesus also identified his Father as "the only true God" and himself as the one he "sent". (John 17:3)

Now when He got into a boat, His disciples followed Him. And suddenly a great tempest arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep. Then His disciples came to Him and awoke Him, saying, “Lord, save us! We are perishing!”

But He said to them, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?”
Then He arose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm.
So the men marveled, saying, “Who can this be, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?”

Without the power of God's spirit, Jesus the human could do nothing miraculous. How do we know this? When he manifested as the Christ (Messiah) his own siblings did not put faith in him....why? Because they had grown up with him as their older brother and he had shown them no miraculous abilities, otherwise they would have believed in him....that came after his resurrection. People identified him as "the son of Joseph the carpenter"....not a Jesus the miracle worker.

His first miracle was turning water into fine wine at a wedding feast.

Step back and meditate on what the Bible actually says...not on what you want it to say....perhaps you need to be the one praying for Yahweh to open your own heart....

 

[David in NJ]

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; My God, my strength, in whom I will trust; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 18:2

Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For YAH, the LORD, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation.’ ”
Isaiah 12:2

The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation; He is my God, and I will praise Him; My father’s God, and I will exalt Him.
Exodus 15:2


BEWARE lest you be found wanting - "always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" - 2 Timothy 3:1-9

 

[keithr]

God says you are to honor His Son just as you are to honor the Father = and you say - nah..........

I did NOT say that we should not honour Jesus.

JESUS never prayed to YHWH = not once
JESUS never spoke of YHWH = not once
JESUS only spoke of His FATHER

Jesus prayed to God (YHVH) many times, sometimes even staying up all night in prayer. He taught his disciples to pray to "our Father in heaven" - Matthew 6:9 (WEB):

(9) Pray like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy.​

[And God's name is YHVH.]​

In prayer to God, "Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you" (John 17:1) and "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ" (John 17:3). The only true God is YHVH, and Jesus confirms that YHVH is his Father and our Father. So Jesus did pray to YHVH! Jesus addressed YHVH as Father because Jesus is YHVH's only begotten son. Christians have been begotten again as sons of God, so it is to be expected that Jesus would instruct Christians to pray to their Father also.

The Apostle John calls JESUS his God = Revelation ch1

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.'

You might have overlooked the previous verses:

Revelation 1:4-7 (WEB):

(4) John, to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from God, who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne;​

(5) and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;​

(6) and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.​

(7) Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so, Amen.​

(8) “I am the Alpha and the Omega, ” says the Lord God,“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”​

Verse 4 mentions God, verses 5 to 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to God. Remember that the revelation is from God (YHVH) to Jesus - Revelation 1:1 (WEB):

(1) The revelation of Yeshua the Messiah, which God gave Him to show to His servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,​

 

[David in NJ]

I did NOT say that we should not honour Jesus.


Jesus prayed to God (YHVH) many times, sometimes even staying up all night in prayer. He taught his disciples to pray to "our Father in heaven" - Matthew 6:9 (WEB):

(9) Pray like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy.​

[And God's name is YHVH.]​

In prayer to God, "Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you" (John 17:1) and "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ" (John 17:3). The only true God is YHVH, and Jesus confirms that YHVH is his Father and our Father. So Jesus did pray to YHVH! Jesus addressed YHVH as Father because Jesus is YHVH's only begotten son. Christians have been begotten again as sons of God, so it is to be expected that Jesus would instruct Christians to pray to their Father also.


You might have overlooked the previous verses:

Revelation 1:4-7 (WEB):

(4) John, to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from God, who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne;​

(5) and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;​

(6) and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.​

(7) Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so, Amen.​

(8) “I am the Alpha and the Omega, ” says the Lord God,“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”​

Verse 4 mentions God, verses 5 to 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to God. Remember that the revelation is from God (YHVH) to Jesus - Revelation 1:1 (WEB):

(1) The revelation of Yeshua the Messiah, which God gave Him to show to His servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,​

God and Father is not given the YHWH name in the NT = NT is not written in Hebrew

keithr, remember your posting of the allegory of Joseph - ???

The NT fulfills the Allegorical Prophecy of Joseph.

Do you understand this???

Examine closely Post 137 and pray to YAHshua for understanding.

 

[keithr]

God and Father is not given the YHWH name in the NT = NT is not written in Hebrew

So what if God's name (YHVH) is not written in the New Testament? The Old Testament is still Gods word, and the Old Testament tells us God's name is YHVH. Jesus said that his Father was God, therefore his and our Father's name is YHVH. It's not rocket science - you should be able to understand that! Also God's name is in the New Testament in Revelation 19:1,3,4,6 (WEB):

(1) After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Hallelujah! Salvation, power, and glory belong to our God:​

Hallelujah is a Hebrew phrase that is not translated in Revelation 19. It means "Praise Yah", which is an abreviation of "Praise Yahweh", or "Praise YHVH", which are both phrases that occur often in the Old Testament. In verse 5 it says:

(5) A voice came from the throne, saying, “Give praise to our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, the small and the great!”​

reiterating what was said using Hallelujah, but just saying God rather than His name.

keithr, remember your posting of the allegory of Joseph - ???

Yes. In that Pharaoh was symbolic of God and Joseph was symbolic of Jesus. Pharaoh appointed Joseph over his house - Genesis 41:40 (WEB):

(40) You shall be over my house, and according to your word will all my people be ruled. Only in the throne I will be greater than you.”​

The NT fulfills the Allegorical Prophecy of Joseph.

Do you understand this???

Yes. YHVH has appointed Jesus to rule over his house/kingdom, and is greater than Jesus in the throne, which is why at the end of the 1,000 years reign and perfecting of the kingdom, Jesus will then turn the kingdom over to his Father/God and, 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB):

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

Examine closely Post 137 and pray to YAHshua for understanding.

We should pray to God (YHVH), asking for things in Jesus' name. Jesus's name in Hebrew (Yehoshua) means "YHVH is salvation". Matthew 1:21 (WEB):

(21) She shall give birth to a son. You shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins.”​

YHVH appointed Jesus to be the saviour of the Israelites and all mankind.