Once you give God your Faith, God takes possession of you.
You become the "bride of Christ", and Jesus is coming back for His wife, who is "the body of Christ".
There is no ending that, as you can't end what you didnt Cause.
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Once you give God your Faith, God takes possession of you.
You become the "bride of Christ", and Jesus is coming back for His wife, who is "the body of Christ".
There is no ending that, as you can't end what you didnt Cause.
No, Never crossed my mind that The "Gift Of An Eternal God," Which He Calls
Everlasting Life, would violate His Simple Bible Fact, That IT Never Ends!:
Your theory of "belief/KEEP believing (always present tense) receives/MAINTAINS It,
BUT Unbelief later loses it" presents several (another Jesus 2Co 11:4?) problems -
- Will true believers 'Always Have It'? What Saith The Scriptures, Under GRACE?:
There Are Three Tenses Within God's Eternal Salvation, and TWO of Them Are
Totally His Work, not ours. The present Tense is partially our work as shown:
"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10)
Those 'who trust In themSELVES' Obviously are NOT "trusting In God," Correct?trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10)
► faith ◄:
a) Those who have 'trusted (placed heart faith, believed) in Christ,
His Death, Burial, And Resurrection, According To The Scriptures,
PAST tense, HAVE What God SAYS (NOT men):
and This Deliverance is IRREVOCABLE, Correct? Because It Was From
"The So Great A Death Penalty for sin," Which Was PAID IN FULL
By The LORD JESUS CHRIST, On The CROSS! Correct?
Have you yet Had This Great Deliverance From The True JESUS CHRIST?His Death, Burial, And Resurrection, According To The Scriptures,
PAST tense, HAVE What God SAYS (NOT men):
"Who delivered us from so great a death" Correct?
"The So Great A Death Penalty for sin," Which Was PAID IN FULL
By The LORD JESUS CHRIST, On The CROSS! Correct?
Why would you Forever Insist that this is false doctrine, thus trampling On
HIS (God's) Precious BLOOD, With Which HE Purchased HIS Church?
And HE IS 'The New Owner' Thereof!! (not us, Failing/Falling into UNbelief)
(FULL study, just click on 'any red link' above...)
► Justification by faith ◄
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►► love ◄◄
b) brings us to the PRESENT tense:
All believers Should do "good works (faith which worketh by love!)"
{Which Will Never Equal CHRIST's FULL Payment For the above
Penalty of sin!}, for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS,
to perform for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:
We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
BUT, when we do fail and fall, we have "Access To God's Amazing
Throne Of GRACE, For HIS Help" In Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:
Wait! YOU, FB, say this is UNbelief, and losing "The [Already Received]
Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin"? "our own salvation" can
Absolutely be a Failure, falling into sin, or, Even UNbelief, thus NO
Deliverance From the [Present tense] power of sin, AND, in Addition:
NO "rewards At Judgment!" (1 Corinthians 3:8-15) Did you not, FB,
Compare The True GRACE Scripture of "the carnal fornicating saint"?:
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that
the spirit may be [Eternally] Saved in The Day Of The LORD JESUS."
(1Co 5:5)
Thus, The Precious BLOOD Of The True LORD JESUS CHRIST, Is Truly "and Doth Deliver"
{Which Will Never Equal CHRIST's FULL Payment For the above
Penalty of sin!}, for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS,
to perform for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:
We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
BUT, when we do fail and fall, we have "Access To God's Amazing
Throne Of GRACE, For HIS Help" In Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:
Wait! YOU, FB, say this is UNbelief, and losing "The [Already Received]
Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin"? "our own salvation" can
Absolutely be a Failure, falling into sin, or, Even UNbelief, thus NO
Deliverance From the [Present tense] power of sin, AND, in Addition:
NO "rewards At Judgment!" (1 Corinthians 3:8-15) Did you not, FB,
Compare The True GRACE Scripture of "the carnal fornicating saint"?:
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that
the spirit may be [Eternally] Saved in The Day Of The LORD JESUS."
(1Co 5:5)
Sufficient For The FULL PAYMENT, That The Father Is SATISFIED With!
FB, why not you Also? We are all praying for you...
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►►► Blessed Hope ◄◄◄
c) Future tense:
CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
----------"...in Whom we trust That He Will Yet Deliver us..."
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
Conclusion:
Simple Biblical Fact Is: God's ETERNAL Salvation Is Exactly That! Amen.
2Ti 2:13 "If we believe not, yet He Abideth Faithful:
he Cannot deny Himself."
he Cannot deny Himself."
Plain And Clear Scriptures?:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
God's Eternal Assurance
GRACE And Peace...
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Great.
Every now and then we meet up with solid, spirit filled Christians that understand their faith and its theology, in these forums full of odd ideas.
:)
GEN2REV
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Please forget about “matter of lifestyle” or out of “Unbelief” .....just for the sake of argument......any type or stealing would be a “Willful Sin”, so as a Born Again Believer , if I decide to pilfer a Snicker Bar as I am strolling out of Wal- Mart and have a heart attack and die before it dawned on me that I needed to Repent.....what is the outcome for me? Thanks for your response...
.They've either never had it, or they cast it away.
If A Person has been Saved , it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to cast that Salvation “ away” ....if they can, God is a Liar....God says that “ Nothing in the Future” can occur that would cause one to escape the grip of our Father....If a person got Saved and then “ LATER” decided to “ cast away” that Salvation , it would be something that happened in the Future from the day he got Saved—— right? Is God a Liar, or did you get something wrong in your “ Doctrine”—— My money is on the Latter...Can you explain this one away?
If A Person has been Saved , it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to cast that Salvation “ away” ....if they can, God is a Liar....God says that “ Nothing in the Future” can occur that would cause one to escape the grip of our Father....If a person got Saved and then “ LATER” decided to “ cast away” that Salvation , it would be something that happened in the Future from the day he got Saved—— right? Is God a Liar, or did you get something wrong in your “ Doctrine”—— My money is on the Latter...Can you explain this one away?
Just the very fact that a person is in unbelief shows that a person does not have the grace of God applied to them.
I guess that “ Amazing Grace” isn’t nearly as “amazing” as we once figured, eh? The *UNMERITED* Favor Of God is only applicable if you “Merit” it.....
I guess that “ Amazing Grace” isn’t nearly as “amazing” as we once figured, eh? The *UNMERITED* Favor Of God is only applicable if you “Merit” it.....
But, as I've shown you from the scriptures, willful, unrepentant sin is the sign of an unbeliever. The born again person CAN'T do that.
The Born Again “ CAN” and “ DO” commit willful sins quite frequently..even YOU..... almost every sin that you commit, you know in the split- Second that precedes it that you are about to do something wrong—- and you do it anyway......you think it might not be that big a deal, so you just don’t worry about....ya ever break a speed limit Law? Did you catch your speeding sin, repent of it immediately and then slow down? Lol.....sure you did.....sure.....
You got thousands Of these types of “ small time” sins that you never ONCE thought to Repent Of......therefore , technically, you commit willful sins and don’t repent of them.....You got them....I got them ...everybody has them.....ALL of mine are on the Cross.....Yours “Should” Be there But you insist on taking them back down from that Cross....My sins are “ forgotten” because of my Faith....It REALLY is “ Amazing Grace”......It’s a shame that you reject it because of your stubbornness to understand the Truth about Heb 10....it’s warped you entire “Doctrine ” and you you Insist on passing on your WILLFUL Ignorance to others....You always find a way to “ Trouble Some”..... Robbing Believers and especially vulnerable “ Newbies” to the Faith , From the Joy That they should be experiencing...
The Born Again “ CAN” and “ DO” commit willful sins quite frequently..even YOU..... almost every sin that you commit, you know in the split- Second that precedes it that you are about to do something wrong—- and you do it anyway......you think it might not be that big a deal, so you just don’t worry about....ya ever break a speed limit Law? Did you catch your speeding sin, repent of it immediately and then slow down? Lol.....sure you did.....sure.....
You got thousands Of these types of “ small time” sins that you never ONCE thought to Repent Of......therefore , technically, you commit willful sins and don’t repent of them.....You got them....I got them ...everybody has them.....ALL of mine are on the Cross.....Yours “Should” Be there But you insist on taking them back down from that Cross....My sins are “ forgotten” because of my Faith....It REALLY is “ Amazing Grace”......It’s a shame that you reject it because of your stubbornness to understand the Truth about Heb 10....it’s warped you entire “Doctrine ” and you you Insist on passing on your WILLFUL Ignorance to others....You always find a way to “ Trouble Some”..... Robbing Believers and especially vulnerable “ Newbies” to the Faith , From the Joy That they should be experiencing...
Yet another “ about-face”.... In the past you have criticized me from even “ considering” trying to be taught by others .... like it was Sin to do so .....you included no “Qualifications” as are seen in this recent post about You going to others for teaching yourself, and no mentioning of that it was “ OK” to listen to others as long as I did not follow “ Blindly”.....I have listened to and Learned from Dozens Of Great teachers over the decades and I don’t agree 100% with ANY of them!
A 100% twisting of Scripture like a pretzel....A convoluted and needlessly complicated pile of religious mush...
Before the Actual “ Lamb Of God ” appeared on the scene, Salvation was accomplished by Faith in those things that were “ shadows” of that which was yet to arrive( Jesus) .....Everybody from Adam and Eve up until the time of Jesus got Saved by Trusting in the Shed Blood Of an Innocent....God slayed an innocent animal for Adam and Eve ( probably a Lamb) and the SHED BLOOD of the LAMB ( ring a bell?) gave Adam and Eve an object of Faith that pointed to Jesus..... Centuries later , when Temple Worship was set up along with its system of animal sacrifices , ( and even before that with the Tabernacle ) every instance of the Shed Blood Of an Innocent animal pointed to the Shed Blood Of Jesus....
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Carl Emerson
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If Abraham is the Father of all who have faith and the salvation promises are from the Abrahamic Covenant, how do we view the salvation of those Pre Abraham ???
@Carl Emerson has the correct reply.
But you don't care to learn about your Christian faith and prefer to make up your own.
When a person gets saved ,his Nature becomes “ two- fold” — he inherits the Spirit Of God and it is *THAT* SPIRIT that can NEVER Sin! Unfortunately , until he receives his New Incorruptible Body after he dies, he is stuck with an Old, Adamic Nature That is “ Not Subject to the Law Of God and neither, indeed, can be” ....Paul had been a Believer and of course, a Saved man , for at least Ten years when he wrote about HIS struggle with sin in Romans 7—NOT doing the things that he knew he should do and in fact, doing just the opposite — doing the things that he hated! He’s talking about * SIN*!
How is this possible if your “ Take” on 1John 3:9 is the correct one ? If it is not possible for a Believer to sin anymore, why do we need Jesus as the “ Advocate” That He says that He is....why have a “ Throne Of Grace” that we are to go to when we SIN....why does God “ Chastise ” ERRANT Children....why does even James admit that we ALL STUMBLE?
The Bible talks about “ Spiritual Warfare” ......what do you think that is referring to....the Flesh will battle against the Spirit until the day that we die....
If you want to base everything on your pet verse , I’ll do the same thing with mine....how do you explain THIS one —— “ If we say that we are without SIN, we call God a Liar”.
Whatever you say....you are too Bible - Ignorant to have a serious conversation.....I don’t know where to start with you, so I won’t.... please go somewhere and get some good teaching...perhaps Les Feldick .....I don’t have the time or patience to try to get you built up in proper Doctrine....I am not trying to be mean.....I have been “ learning” about the Christian Faith for over 40 years....HOURS a day—-EVERY day....how about you?
Of course that is no guarantee that I am correct in everything—- but don’t show your ignorance when you say “ I don’t care”.... you claim That I “ make up” my own Faith.....I think the same way about you....
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