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Ferris Bueller

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People are people.

Let them be. If one is not willingly to learn, and just hostile back and forth, sometimes it is best to walk away.
In time.

These forums give a great opportunity to put it right back in the face of these arrogant, narcissistic, uncorrectable know-it-alls that have ruined the church. They make life miserable and I enjoy the opportunity to put these clowns in their place when I can. I think honest people looking in can learn from the exchange...up to a point. I think this is a value that is specific to on-line exchanges. He would not get the time of day from me if I knew him in person.
 

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I only reject your interpretation.
See, your interpretation, of God's Grace is.....>"here is what i do to keep from going to hell".
Come on, man! Just show us the scripture that says continuing to believe in the blood of Christ to remain in Christ is you trying to save yourself in a works gospel. Put up the scripture, or shut up. I've had enough of your personal beliefs. Give me the actual scripture that says believing in order to stay in Christ is a works gospel.
 

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A perfect self description.
You must be looking in the mirror, again.
Good for you.
Think of it as food for your own well being, Ferris Bueller.
You are easily the most arrogant clown I've encountered in on-line forums. All the bragging you do. The condescension to other posters. You are the personification of arrogance. I've been enduring it. But we're done doing that. I'm calling you out.
 

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Pauline Theology is always good.
And let me guess, you're still not seeing Paul's theology here, lol.

"2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain (that is, if Christ is not risen from the dead - vs.14 & 17)." 1 Corinthians 15:2
 
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1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,

To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

2 Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People
3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain;they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts,eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

A Call to Persevere
17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Doxology
24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presencewithout fault and with great joy— 25 to the only Godour Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
 
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I wonder who this letter was written to anyway. Believers in that time I assume probably Jewish by birth.
 
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Posting a verse, redundantly, and saying..>"see there", is your idea of "Paul's Theology".
I showed you that you literally and unabashedly changed what Paul said. I proved it to you right from Paul's own words, but your ego won't let you be honest and acknowledge that you've been wrong.
 
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1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,

To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

2 Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People
3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain;they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts,eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

A Call to Persevere
17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Doxology
24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presencewithout fault and with great joy— 25 to the only Godour Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
This is a clear indictment against the Freegrace/Hypergrace movement and it's beliefs. It's amazing that they can't see it.
 
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I guess your faithless.
No my faith is in Christ NOT THE deluded CC nor any other falsehood .
The one who says Folks dont have to believe in JESUS is the one who is faithless towards CHRIST . FOR their faith
is in a delusion that of men and of the dragon . I am NOT your enemy . ITS why i continue to warn you
to cease from the all inclusive false gospel . Rather Teach the peoples BELIEVE IN JESUS if ya want salvation , BELIEVE in JESUS
if you want to be saved . But while you try and say you believe that , then you turn around and do the same thing pope francis does ,
DENY the ONE TRUE GOSPEL of BELEIVE In JESUS for that ALONE is the gospel whereby one can be saved .
 
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People that preach reward for sin and sin some more...

Please show where anybody in this Forum, and especially me , has ever said this...I am calling you out as a Liar..
BB has never taught that . You are right on that my friend . HOWEVER i wish you would hear me a bit more when i say
You need to be a bit more grave about sin .
 
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This is a clear indictment against the Freegrace/Hypergrace movement and it's beliefs. It's amazing that they can't see it.
Ferris , there is something you might need to know about mathew . He preaches the same gospel as does pope francis .
Teaching folks DO not have to believe IN JESUS to be saved . All the while he says HE DOES believe in JESUS .
 
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The ONLY “ Condition” is to Trust the Gospel Found in 1Cor15:1-4.....Simply Believe THAT to the point of RESTING Resting in it for your Salvation and from that point on , the onus , or the “ responsibility to “ Save to the UTTERMOST” is upon Him—-whatever is “ Conditional” or whatever is “ Imperative” will be taken care of as HE “ FINISHES the Good Work That He started”.....

Understand that when it’s played out in this manner, JESUS gets 100% of the Credit for your Salvation, and YOU get NONE...Just the Way God Wants it....

Got a problem with that? You might be receiving some Very Bad News come Judgement Day....
This is true . However why do you then go after some folks who teach the very same thing JESUS did , who said
YE must endure to the end . If paul and others said the same thing , THEN we ought to exhort the same message as well .
TRUSTING ONLY IN JESUS , but that includes HIS EVERY WARNING .
 

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. What's so hard about the Holy Spirit leaving the same way he came into a person?



Perhaps because Jesus said—“ I will NEVER leave you or forsake you”.... I suppose Jesus is a Liar , isn’t he?

As I’ve said before—-“ It’s like shooting fish in a barrel” with you guys....
 

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This is true . However why do you then go after some folks who teach the very same thing JESUS did , who said
YE must endure to the end . If paul and others said the same thing , THEN we ought to exhort the same message as well .
TRUSTING ONLY IN JESUS , but that includes HIS EVERY WARNING .


....because the Bible makes Clear who DOES the “ Enduring”......”It is he that Believes that Jesus is the Son Of God “.......So- Called “ Problem” solved......


All the “ rules”......all the “ conditions”.....all the “ ifs”......written to Believers become Realties ....if there are ANY “ conditions” that MUST be met in order to “ GET” or “ Stay” Saved , the Onus is on God’s Shoulders .....Why? Because it was “ HIM” and NOT “ Us” that made the Unbreakable Promise to Save “ ANYBODY that ASKED”......I don’t worry about any of that stuff, because “ worry” is the opposite Of Faith, and I have the TOTAL FAITH to Believe that God will Keep His Word....

I actually DO what Paul said to do....Once Saved, How is a Believer to live? You FINISH your Walk Of Faith the SAME WAY that you started it—- “ The Righteous shall * LIVE BY FAITH* .....I got Saved by Believing in a Promise Of God, NOT by fulfilling a Condition.....I do my part—- Live by Faith” , and HE takes care of the rest.....He MUST! If God doesn’t do Everything necessary to Save me once I have “ ASKED” to be Saved, He is a Liar.......and we KNOW that that is not true....
 
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