What if you lose your faith?

[Johann]

Rather odd that JESUS even warns the church , HOLD FAST to that which you have , THAT NO MAN TAKES YOUR CROWN .
PS , false prophets are crown takers .
No wonder peter warned the church who DID BELEIVE , SEEING YOU KNOW THE TRUTH , BEWARE lest you get led away with the ERROR
of the wicked and FALL from your own steadfastness . HOW come JESUS warns the church
paul warns the church , peter did , but when we do today we get called legalsits who dont trust in the finished works of Christ .
But who is really trusting in men , IS it those who twist and omit all those IFS and all those warnings to suit a doctrine of men
OR is it those who simply BELIEVE and take heed to the very warnings OF JESUS and of the apostels . JUST SOMETHING THAT ALL
should PONDER ON . AND fast too .

Amen, the conditional clauses and the Imperatives, often overlooked
J.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hebrews 10:26-31 is about the believer who goes back to unbelief. It is a warning to the believer, made clean by the blood of Christ, to not go back to unbelief. Because if they do they will go to the lake of fire when Jesus comes back.

No this one is about the consequences of continuing to sin....as in sinful life styles an such....it is part of the religious literary style.
Hebrews 6:4-8 are the scriptures that pertain to those that lose their belief or fall away.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

As for Me? I will be asking God what is the fastest way to the “Marriage Supper Of The Lamb” Table.

Not before he examines your life to see if you really had faith in God. Because the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that works...

" The only thing that counts (towards justification - see context) is faith expressing itself through love." Galatians 5:6
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True saving faith is measured by what it does. That's why Jesus will be looking for your 'faith expressed through love' at the judgment to see if you go to the left and into the fire, or to the right and into the kingdom of God (Matthew 25:34-46)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No this one is about the consequences of continuing to sin....as in sinful life styles an such....it is part of the religious literary style.
Hebrews 6:4-8 are the scriptures that pertain to those that lose their belief or fall away.

The person who rejects the gospel and sins willfully is in unbelief. They're an unbeliever, not a believer. They may have used to be a believer, but now they are not. If they were still a believer they would not be willfully turning away from the gospel and back to their old life of sin. Doing that is the definition of an unbeliever, not a believer.

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[amigo de christo]

So stop hugging the all inclusive ones who bring another gospel and rather rebuke those unity churches .

 

[Grailhunter]

Do Christians sin? Yes. Do they willfully continue in sin? No. Scripture indicates that, while we will always “fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), we have the hope that the power of God is at work in us to “make us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image”

In the true understanding of things it come down to doing our best to be good and do good. From there Christ will sort it out on Judgement Day.

Sanctification....people have different beliefs regarding sanctification....set apart to be God's own.
As Christians we are apprentices of Christ....learning from Him.
Our journey.....working out our salvation with fear and trembling.
Our relationship with Christ....our daily walk with Him.
The harder we try to be good and do good, the closer our relationship with Christ and we enter into the experiential aspect of sanctification.
People that preach reward for sin and sin some more...do not abide in Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

The person who rejects the gospel and sins willfully is in unbelief. They're an unbeliever, not a believer. They may have used to be a believer, but now they are not. If they were still a believer they would not be willfully turning away from the gospel and back to their old life of sin. Doing that is the definition of an unbeliever, not a believer.

But chapter 10 is about these OSAS people that chose to sin willfully. Sin willfully believing Christ will reward them for that.

 

[CadyandZoe]

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Here are some thoughts, regarding "Losing your Faith"

Here is the reality... > Your Faith does not save you.
God SAVED you >through your Faith. = ONCE.... Proof = BORN AGAIN.
Big difference.
Vital Distinction.

I think it is more accurate to place the verb in the present active tense. Rather than saying "God saved you;" it is more accurate to say, "God is saving you." Being born again is just one step along the way.

Believing the gospel doesn't necessarily indicate a person whom God is saving. In the parable of the Sower, as Jesus points out, only the seed that fell into the good soil persevered. Soil preparation is the responsibility and activity of the farmer (God). So falling away from the faith is no indication that God has saved or is saving anyone.

Belief is only one marker of those whom God is saving. There are others. For instance, Jesus tells us that if we are not willing to forgive our brother when he sins against us, God is not willing to forgive us. Those whom God is saving are those who forgive their brother. There are other markers; the children of God: fear God, Love God, seek first the kingdom of God, love their brother, believe in Jesus, and others.

This "backslider" is a SON of GOD who is off the main path but they are not "LOST" , as they were previously found by Jesus's Blood and redeemed, which is the reason they are SAVED at all.

Faith is no guarantee. It all depends on WHY someone believed and whether belief is motivation to act. Not all the purported believers are being saved by God. Some believe out of a sense of family loyalty, or social status, or patriotism, none of which is a marker of child of God. Only those whom God is saving are children of God.

 

[Johann]

Which shows that you must have the ministry of Christ always interceding for you. That's why you must continue to believe in order to continue to be saved. The completed intercessory ministry of Christ is continually applied to you through your continuing faith.

"5who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5​

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:


Clement of Alexandria Stromata Book II
Philip Schaff: ANF02. Fathers of the Second Century: Hermas, Tatian, Athenagoras, Theophilus, and Clement of Alexandria (Entire) - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

And the apostle, succinctly describing the end, writes in the Epistle to the Romans: "But now, being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."[260]


Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Lot of biting and devouring going on...


Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

...I concur with Paul, not with men, not to be a man pleaser.


Gen 50:17 So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
Gen 50:18 And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
Gen 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.


Psa 107:14 He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, and brake their bands in sunder.
Psa 107:15 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
Psa 107:16 For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder.
Psa 107:17 Fools because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted.
Psa 107:18 Their soul abhorreth all manner of meat; and they draw near unto the gates of death.
Psa 107:19 Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses.
Psa 107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.
Psa 107:21 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

Sela, Pause, and calmly reflect upon this, the goodness/severity of our Lord.

J.

 

[Johann]

In the true understanding of things it come down to doing our best to be good and do good. From there Christ will sort it out on Judgement Day.

Sanctification....people have different beliefs regarding sanctification....set apart to be God's own.
As Christians we are apprentices of Christ....learning from Him.
Our journey.....working out our salvation with fear and trembling.
Our relationship with Christ....our daily walk with Him.
The harder we try to be good and do good, the closer our relationship with Christ and we enter into the experiential aspect of sanctification.
People that preach reward for sin and sin some more...do not abide in Christ.

Yes, people have different ideas on sanctification..as far as the East is from the West, I might add, and once we have this right everything will fall into place.
Another point, we cannot "will" ourselves to be good or do better without the Holy Spirit, this is where sanctification, and the biblical one is an Imperative, I think.
Maybe one of the giants can give us the doctrine on sanctification, the whole counsel of sanctification and justification?


1Co_1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

1Th_4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

1Th_4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

2Th_2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Grace to you and the Shalom.
J.

 

[Grailhunter]

Another point, we cannot "will" ourselves to be good or do better without the Holy Spirit, this is where sanctification, and the biblical one is an Imperative, I think.

Well we have to will ourselves to be good....if we do not make that decision, will it ever happen?
Of course we have to learn what is right and wrong...that is what the Bible and the Holy Spirit is for.
Then we have to trust on the strength given to us from the Holy Spirit to keep us on right course.

You can choose to go off course....but The Way is the only course to heaven.

 

[Johann]

Well we have to will ourselves to be good....if we do not make that decision, will it ever happen?
Of course we have to learn what is right and wrong...that is what the Bible and the Holy Spirit is for.
Then we have to trust on the strength given to us from the Holy Spirit to keep us on right course.

You can choose to go off course....but The Way is the only course to heaven.

The highway of holiness


Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

Isa 35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

Isa 35:6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

Isa 35:7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

Isa 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

Isa 35:8 And a maslul (highway) shall be there, and a derech (road), and it shall be called The Derech HaKodesh (The Holy Road); the tameh (unclean, impure person [see Isa 26:7]) shall not pass along it, inasmuch as it shall be for them; that is, the Holech Derech (Walker of the Road, i.e., whoever is the [Redeemed] Wayfarer on the Derech HaKodesh), even evilim (morally bad foolish people) shall not go astray thereon.
OJB

Isa 35:9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
Isa 35:10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.


Isa 42:10 Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.

Isa 42:11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

Isa 42:12 Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.

Isa 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Isa 42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

Isa 42:15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
Isa 42:17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

We are all getting older, and need to redeem the time since it is appointed for man once to die and after that the judgement


Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We need to get the doctrine of biblical sanctification right brother, time is almost up.

J.

 

[Philip James]

As for Me? I will be asking God what is the fastest way to the “Marriage Supper Of The Lamb” Table

Heya BloodBought,

I am sure if you look, you will find a valid celebration of the Eucharist somewhere near you..

No need to wait,

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

 

[amigo de christo]

I have a small hunch Bloodbought wont be running to The CC .

 

[MatthewG]

I guess your faithless.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:26-31

Taken out of context, as always.This “ scary” verse that some Bible - Ignorant , “ Poor Students Of The Word”, use—— those that are set out to “ Trouble You” because they do not know how to “ Rightly Divide “ Scripture Do not realize something.This verse is taken from the 10th chapter of Hebrews.....there are NINE chapters that precede it......In Those Nine chapters the ONLY thing being discussed is UNBELIEF! The Jews would NOT give up Their belief that the blood that was Shed in their Animal Sacrifices was the way to get their Sins forgiven....Paul was warning them to abandon the Old Ways Of Temple Worship and to forget all about sacrificing animals for the forgiveness Of Sins...This side of the Cross where Jesus Shed “HIS” Blood, The Blood Of sheep and goat and doves was Of NO effect.....Jesus Shed HIS BLOOD once and for all and there was now and forever , NO OTHER Sacrifice for Sin....
Properly Divided, the Fear Of this verse is removed and it means NOTHING like the Bible- Ignorant want it to mean....Taken In context , the verse can be understood by a ten year old....apparently not by Quail Hunter and Erroneous Bueller.....It is my prayer that the Newbies who lack “ Stiff- Necks” will “ Get It”.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

What is a thang/fang?
Christ went through the passion to save us....from sin. Is it too much to ask to try our best not to sin? What sense does it make to manufacture a false religion that rewards sinning.

The Bible tells us that if we repent we can have our sins forgiven....it also tells us not to test grace. Particularly the same sin over and over again....sinful lifestyles...."This is my life style, men having sex with men" Silly for someone to believe Christ would forgive that. Like the Bible says....it is one thing to sin but to turn on it like a dog turns on its own vomit is another.

Turning back to your Vomit like a dog means rejecting the Grace of God that actually saves a person on this side of the Cross and going back to the Law which had its merits but had NO POWER to SAVE......all of that “ POWER” is in the Gospel .....it’s a pity how you Reject it.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Amen, the conditional clauses and the Imperatives, often overlooked


J.

The ONLY “ Condition” is to Trust the Gospel Found in 1Cor15:1-4.....Simply Believe THAT to the point of RESTING Resting in it for your Salvation and from that point on , the onus , or the “ responsibility to “ Save to the UTTERMOST” is upon Him—-whatever is “ Conditional” or whatever is “ Imperative” will be taken care of as HE “ FINISHES the Good Work That He started”.....

Understand that when it’s played out in this manner, JESUS gets 100% of the Credit for your Salvation, and YOU get NONE...Just the Way God Wants it....

Got a problem with that? You might be receiving some Very Bad News come Judgement Day....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

People that preach reward for sin and sin some more...

Please show where anybody in this Forum, and especially me , has ever said this...I am calling you out as a Liar..