What if you lose your faith?

[Grailhunter]

Eternal life for sure, but if you sin enough it is eternal life in hell, because heaven will not be full of evil.
Christ never promised that He would reward evil with heaven.
There is no theme in the Bible where evil will be rewarded in anyway.
When it comes to sin all you have is warning about not going to heaven.

What is the character of a person that would want to promote the belief that you can sin all you want and go to heaven?
Who is behind that effort?

 

[Behold]

Eternal life for sure, but if you sin enough it is eternal life in hell,

You have to die a son of the Devil, to end up with him. = all Unbelievers, never born again.

So, if you have changed Spiritual Fathers, by being Born again, then you can only go to heaven, as that is the only available place for a Son of God to exist, until the Millennial Reign of Christ, (when the born again all go to Jerusalem).

 

[Grailhunter]

You have to die a son of the Devil, to end up with him. = all Unbelievers, never born again.

So, if you have changed Spiritual Fathers, by being Born again, then you can only go to heaven, as that is the only available place for a Son of God to exist, until the Millennial Reign of Christ, (when the born again all go to Jerusalem).

LOL
Eternal life for sure, but if you sin enough it is eternal life in hell, because heaven will not be full of evil.
Christ never promised that He would reward evil with heaven.
There is no theme in the Bible where evil will be rewarded in anyway.
When it comes to sin all you have is warnings about not going to heaven.

What is the character of a person that would want to promote the belief that you can sin all you want and go to heaven?
Who is behind that effort?

 

[Behold]

LOL
Eternal life for sure, but if you sin enough it is eternal life in hell,

There are no born again in Hell.

There are no Christ rejectors in Heaven.

 

[Grailhunter]

There are no born again in Hell.

There are no Christ rejectors in Heaven.

You need a popup indicator to prove that.
The Bible does not address the difference between born again and not born again Christians.
You have come up with a belief that is not a topic in the Bible.
Paul was not addressing the born again and non born again Christians in the churches he wrote letters to Christians.
There is no direction in the Bible for those that find that their popup indicator for born again, did not pop.
How would a Christian know if they were not born again with out a popup indicator?
What should they do if they are not born again....

The term "born again" appear so infrequently in the Bible, but you have made it a the main focus of your religion and nothing else in the Bible matters. All to support sinning with reward. This would be the best definition of twisting the scriptures to support an evil belief against God and all He stands for.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You say the Truth proclaimed by Jesus that the Believer “ has *ALREADY* obtained Eternal Life” and then turn right around and say “ he must continue to believe to obtain Eternal Life”.

No, lol. That's not what I've been saying. You must continue to believe to KEEP the promise of eternal life that you have received.

"24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life." 1 John 2:24​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What on Earth do you think “ALREADY” means?

It means the presently believing person already has eternal life.

"24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life." John 5:24

"Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life." John 6:48
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And, as I've showed you, this very same John who wrote this says you will remain in that eternal life if you let the word remain in you - 1 John 2:24-25

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[BloodBought 1953]

What is the character of a person that would want to promote the belief that you can sin all you want and go to heaven?
Who is behind that effort?



Uh....that would be me....
Here is what men with limited intelligence cant get through their heads....

I SIN “ all that I want” every hour of every day .....Since I got my New Heart , however —- I just don’t “ Want” to sin anymore....

Of course, I am like anybody else.....I “ Stumble” , as James put it.....

When I sin these days I have learned how to handle it —— I do the SAME THING with my Sins that God does—-I put them on the Cross!

This is NOT to infer that I think that I can “ Sin and get away with it!” .....God CHASTISES His Children when they sin...Just like I, as a Loving Father, Chastise “my” Children when “ they” get out of line.....they may not understand it and they certainly don’t Like it, but it is for their own good.....

God’s Grace and His Promises guarantee that although you will be Punished for Sinning, you will NEVER be Damned for Sinning.....If you are Saved, that means that you are * IN* Christ Jesus, and if that is the case , their is NO CONDEMNATION for you....ever.

You have the Freedom to try to take advantage of the Grace of God......if you are a big enough Fool to make an attempt at that —- go ahead! Give it a shot ! Lol—- let me know how that works out for you! A Foolish Believer that insists upon Sinning and does not heed God’s Chastising which is designed to give that Believing Sinner a “ wake up “ call has a good chance of being knocked dead in his tracks with a premature death and then he gets to stand before his Savior full of fear, regret and shame....those Believers eager to see Jesus will receive a Crown....Those Believers That See Jesus with a sense of shame do not get that Reward.....Whatever That Reward is that others will get , He will miss out on it— FOR ETERNITY!
The Foolish, disobedient Believer will be Saved simply because he is a Believer—- but check out his rear- end when he stands before Jesus....Take notes of all the scars on that guys butt—- the evidence of Of all the time he Spent in God's “Woodshed” —— and He STILL did not learn to behave like a True Son should.....

No......nobody “ gets away” with Anything in this life .....SIn up a Storm in this life if that is your Stupid longing......You May have escaped Hell because you had some Faith , but you did not escape a life of unnecessary pain and regret and misery.....and you will have an Eternity to see others reveling In a Reward that you can have no part of.......

Sin and “ GET BY?”......... yeah....right!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...likewise, somebody that has ALREADY been Justified and Saved is living out a Promised FACT....it can’t be undone if it’s already done.

If you do not meet the condition for remaining in the promise of eternal life you will not remain in the promise of eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25

 

[amigo de christo]

You are correct ....” Endurance” does not Save....
But lets “ pretend” for just a minute......let’s say that you “ DO” have to endure.....well, the Believer has THAT covered also....
I’ll quote it again—- “.... and who is it that Endures other than he that Believes that Jesus” is the Son Of God”

He who BELIEVES IN CHRIST .
Yes indeed . THE LORD knows those that are HIS .
But nowhere in scrips is it taught that if one believed and then fell into unbelief that still they are saved .
That is my problem with some folks . Cause JESUS never taught that .
IF we examine his parables , THOSE who are truly HIS do endure
The rest were never truly His . SO at most one should at least say this ,
IF one goes back into unbelief , THEN THEY WERE NEVER HIS . As john even says
THEY came out from amongst us cause they were not truly of us , IF they were , they would have continued .
So someone needs to correct behold . We should never allow folks
to think if one was truly born again THEY COULD THEN GO ON to UNBELIEF and still be saved .
CAUSE if one is BORN AGAIN , IF THEY ARE HIS , THEN they would NOT have come out from amongst us .
And there is nothing wrong with warning and reminding the church to CONTINUE to the end . JESUS DID and so did the apostels .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you are Saved, that means that you are * IN* Christ Jesus

And the person who is *IN* Christ Jesus is the one who continues to believe, not the one who doesn't continue to believe as you insist:

"6 ...we are His house, if we hold firmlyc to our confidence and the hope of which we boast." Hebrews 3:6

"14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first." Hebrews 3:14​

 

[amigo de christo]

Eternal life for sure, but if you sin enough it is eternal life in hell, because heaven will not be full of evil.
Christ never promised that He would reward evil with heaven.
There is no theme in the Bible where evil will be rewarded in anyway.
When it comes to sin all you have is warning about not going to heaven.

What is the character of a person that would want to promote the belief that you can sin all you want and go to heaven?
Who is behind that effort?

Who is behind that question . Sounds like the serpent at the tree ,
has GOD really said be ye Holy for i am holy , nay , nay says the serpent GOD is love , live as thou wilt .
Here is how paul would have wrote it . BE NOT DECIEVED he who sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruptoin
but he who sows to the SPIRIT shall of the Spirit reap LIFE EVERLASTING .
OR how about what he wrote to the romans . GOODNESS towards thee , IF , yeah that is a IF , IF you continue in HIS GOODNESS
otherwise ye get cast out of the same tree that those jews who had unbelief did . BUT if they reamin not in unbelief
they can be grafted back into the tree . NOONE wants to be cast out of that tree , cause that is solid proof ya aint saved .
THUS i say we heed ALL the reminders and take heed to what follows all those IFS as well . Now hands up ,
cause ITS LORD PRAISING AND THANKING TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

And the person who is *IN* Christ Jesus is the one who continues to believe, not the one who doesn't continue to believe as you insist:

"6 ...we are His house, if we hold firmlyc to our confidence and the hope of which we boast." Hebrews 3:6

"14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first." Hebrews 3:14​

I see the WORD IF there . Course i see it in other places as well . My advice , let us not be as many
who tries to disregaurd that if to support their own doctrine . RATHER let us know that is was written
for the good of those , so as we would take heed . Rather odd that some of the folks that claim the scrips , the canon
was inspired by GOD , but then those same folks then try and say WELL certain things dont apply to us .
THAT MAKETH ZERO SENSE . IT was WROTE TO THE CHURCH . I say we simply heed all reminders
which works good to the soul of those who do so .

 

[amigo de christo]

Time for a friendly reminder . Let no man , woman or child follow pope francis and this one world all inclusive religoin .
Okay we may now return to the topic at hand .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Time for a friendly reminder . Let no man , woman or child follow pope francis and this one world all inclusive religoin .
Okay we may now return to the topic at hand .

Lol....no matter WHAT happens....we are ALWAYS united in this! We can’t be “reminded” enough....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If you do not meet the condition for remaining in the promise of eternal life you will not remain in the promise of eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25

The ONLY” Condition is to do God’s Will——- and what would “ That” be ? “ Believe on the One that He sent”

I have done God's Will.....Can I be Lost for doing God’s Will? Nah, I don’t think so?. And I have Nothing in the future to a worry about...I got a Promise from God that He will not break...Those that Believe “ ALREADY HAVE” Eternal Life... He did not say that “ you will have it LATER after you prove a number of things to me....” He said you have it NOW .....it’s a Done Deal....a shame you can’t see it...
Note that He did NOT say....” I would just Love to assure you that you already had Eternal Life , But I cant....you have to PROVE certain things to me first .....especially your Endurance.....I’ll give you the assurance not now, but at some undetermined date in the future....” I wonder why He left that out....maybe He just wasn’t smart enough to look down the road and see that would become an issue...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The verses I posted who that we also must do good works, and yes, to keep our salvation



Did I forget to comment that this a Doctrine straight from Hell? Is this the same Gospel That Paul preached? It’s the Polar Opposite....Read Gal 1:8 , “ Accursed” man.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"6But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are His house, if we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope of which we boast." Hebrews 3:6

"14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first." Hebrews 3:14​

You're up, champ. Show us how these are wrong and that you ARE His house, and sharing in Christ if you don't hold firmly, believing in what you started out in. Can't wait...going to get my shovel...

As always, “ supposed “ anxiety- provoking verses like these are taken out of context.....But I don’t even have to go “ there” ......( read the entire chapter and even the next one...the writer wants the Jewish audience not to lose their Courage and he wants them to make sure that they keep their Trust in God *FIRM * so that they will NOT enter into the Unbelief that lead to the Fear that kept their fathers from entering the Promised Land...its a message to install COURAGE —- the “ courage” that Flows from believing Firmly in the Promises Of God )

To get back to the main point—— this “ holding firmly” business ? It sure must be important! So how can we gain the “ ability “ to “ hold firmly?”

It’s simple if you are Believer.....why is that ?


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Man! I don’t know what I did.....I pressed the wrong button or something....half of this got left out somehow —- and it was the Good Stuff too! I keep telling everybody that I am a computer Dotard and here is some more proof...

I’m gonna try to repair this thing without having to retype it....unfortunately , I am a poor one- finger typist....
My “ repair job” could get ugly.....try to be patient with me....

"6But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are His house, if we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope of which we boast." Hebrews 3:6

"14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first." Hebrews 3:14

You're up, champ. Show us how these are wrong and that you ARE His house, and sharing in Christ if you don't hold firmly, believing in what you started out in. Can't wait...going to get my shovel...

As always, “ supposed “ anxiety- provoking verses like these are taken out of context.....But I don’t even have to go “ there” ......( read the entire chapter and even the next one...the writer wants the Jewish audience not to lose their Courage and he wants them to make sure that they keep their Trust in God *FIRM * so that they will NOT enter into the Unbelief that lead to the Fear that kept their fathers from entering the Promised Land...its a message to install COURAGE —- the “ courage” that Flows from believing Firmly in the Promises Of God )

To get back to the main point—— this “ holding firmly” business ? It sure must be important! So how can we gain the “ ability “ to “ hold firmly?”

It’s simple if you are Believer.....why is that ? Well, Champ, It is Jesus Himself that enables us and sees to it that we “ hold firm”

1Cor 1:8-9 “ HE will keep you Strong ( Firm) until the end , so that you will be BLAMELESS on the Day Of The Lord) If one does not “hold on firmly” it would appear that one would be open to some “Blame”, But there is none, is there?


Want more?
2Cor1:21-22......” Now IT IS GOD who makes you * STAND FIRM” in Christ, He put His Spirit in our hearts as a deposit ,GUARANTEEING what is to come”


Happy, Pappy ? What else ya got ?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Those that Believe “ ALREADY HAVE” Eternal Life... He did not say that “ you will have it LATER after you prove a number of things to me....” He said you have it NOW .....it’s a Done Deal....a shame you can’t see it.

If you would take the time to read my posts you'd know I said the believing person has eternal life now: ↓↓↓

The believing person has in fact already obtained eternal life (John 5:24). That's not what is in contention.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Happy, Pappy ? What else ya got ?

You didn't answer my contention. You contradict Hebrews 3:6 and Hebrews 3:14. You say the person who does not hold firmly in faith belongs to Christ. That's a direct contradiction of scripture.