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Wrong, that is exactly what God descibes in the bible IN EVERY SINGLE AC TEXT! It's ALWAYS one person! Before that many ACs exist but at the end there will be the one person all the texts describe.

Denial of the Ac IS APOSTASY because if one denies the AC, the AC WILL DECEIVE that person.
No, there are many...
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

But the Antichrist entity that persecutes and kills the saints is the power we have seen since the fall of the Roman Empire, Papal Rome with a man that claims the prerogative that is Gods.
 

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No, there are many...
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

But the Antichrist entity that persecutes and kills the saints is the power we have seen since the fall of the Roman Empire, Papal Rome with a man that claims the prerogative that is Gods.

There are many but John makes clear there is a singular one also. There are false Messiahs but there is a singular Messiah as well.

Antichrists are individual people and the AC is also a singular individual. Never is the AC some institution.
 

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There are many but John makes clear there is a singular one also. There are false Messiahs but there is a singular Messiah as well.

Antichrists are individual people and the AC is also a singular individual. Never is the AC some institution.
Yet the Pope is one man as we see, a singular individual, and yet there are many as we see in the Papal timeline..
 

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Yet the Pope is one man as we see, a singular individual, and yet there are many as we see in the Papal timeline..

The Ac has 42 months to rule. It's about one person ruling for that timeframe. The Papacy at best is a shadow of things to come, but there will be differences. There are shadows of the Ac all over, the Papacy, other religious leaders, in governments etc etc.

Most people will worship the AC, that includes all religions, the Pope, and other leaders ...
 
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Considering the relationship between God's sovereignty and man's free will, God uses hostile forces to carry out His will, but ultimately judges them. This may involve the balance between fatalism and free will, and how God achieves his goals through human action. In addition, users may want to know if the contemporary application of this prophecy points to modern countries or events. For example, some people link Gogol to countries such as Russia, but this symbolic interpretation needs to be treated with caution and avoid over-speculation. Other biblical texts, such as Gog and Magog mentioned in Revelation 20: 8, relate to Ezekiel's prophecy. Whether the same event is described from different angles. Finally, in summing up the explanation, we should emphasize the sovereignty of God, the theme of judgment and salvation, and the eschatological significance of the ultimate fulfillment of prophecy in the second coming of Christ. Remind users to be careful in the interpretation of biblical prophecies to avoid excessive associations away from text and history.

Revelation 20: 8
I think the understanding of this passage is simply that there is hope for everyone who trusts in the Lord. Whoever does not trust in the Lord will lose his hope.
Whatever whether God leads Gog and Magog to attack , the only left are those who truly obey God's will.
 

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I was reading the news when the hair in the back of my neck started to tingle. I looked twice to see if I was reading it right. ...November 8, 2024-Putin says 'new world order' is taking shape in speech after Trump win.

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We are seeing the Image of the Beast being formed..

Some... are seeing the future one-world beast being formed.

The forming of the beast "one world government" is actually very ancient, at least going back 22 centuries. And... if we count Satan's original rebellion in wanting to be GOD, we could go back even farther than 22 centuries.

Back around the time of Solomon's temple, pagans that worship the devil started creeping in among the children of Israel as temple workers, and bondservants of the Canaanites which Israel was not able to destroy. Like king David who traded pagan workers from the king of Tyre, because the children of Israel lacked the expertise in stone masonry and building of cities, those pagan workers helped build the City of David. Solomon likewise used those pagan workers for the building of his temple. (See 1 Kings 5, and 1 Kings 9:19-22)

Guess what secret fraternity that exists today claims their ancient history back to the building of Solomon's Temple? (And more than one secret fraternity of initiation claims that history.)
 

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The Ac has 42 months to rule. It's about one person ruling for that timeframe. The Papacy at best is a shadow of things to come, but there will be differences. There are shadows of the Ac all over, the Papacy, other religious leaders, in governments etc etc.

Most people will worship the AC, that includes all religions, the Pope, and other leaders ...
These are prophetic years which is the 1260 years the church of Rome ruled with complete authority over church and state during the Dark Ages till it was taken down by Napoleon and his general in 1798. Now we see its deadly wound has been healed and its looking to restore its prior authority over the world and the nations...
 

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These are prophetic years which is the 1260 years the church of Rome ruled with complete authority over church and state during the Dark Ages till it was taken down by Napoleon and his general in 1798. Now we see its deadly wound has been healed and its looking to restore its prior authority over the world and the nations...

The 1260 is days and that's for the two witnesses and no one else. The beast has 42 months, given in months for the enemy but the 1260 days for God's own but you have corrupted it, lengthened it and applied it to the past.....all which is wrong. It is not years and has nothing to do with the RCC and the past, and certainly not Napoleon.
 

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The 1260 is days and that's for the two witnesses and no one else. The beast has 42 months, given in months for the enemy but the 1260 days for God's own but you have corrupted it, lengthened it and applied it to the past.....all which is wrong. It is not years and has nothing to do with the RCC and the past, and certainly not Napoleon.
When the obvious is elusive; when the Messiah is called Beelzebub and killed we can know that blindness is complete.
 

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As you can see this is what will form before Christ comes, and rise up to control all the world as the image of the original. The Beast given in Revelation...
I see things internally instead of externally. The world is changing. We are going through some kind of birthing process.
The beast is that in which we reside in now. This carnal criminal infested satanic diabolical insane world.
There are those that are not of this world even though they are in it, they are not of it.
And the change that comes must come from within and manifest itself to the world.
Rom 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

There is a spiritual war raging all around us. In the end Good will overcome evil.
In the end, God Wins.
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No, there are many...
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

But the Antichrist entity that persecutes and kills the saints is the power we have seen since the fall of the Roman Empire, Papal Rome with a man that claims the prerogative that is Gods.
Now who is overcoming the Saints ? think about it !
Who does this ? Political Correct Socialist ! for that is their religion. They are very devout to Political Correctness in fact !
If only we had half such devout people to Christ Jesus in any Church !
People who idolise Political Correctness are Demonic ! But such is the way of this world and that is the reason why it is so in fact and they love the darkness, for the light will expose them for what they truly are.

Hitler would never of had any power without Political Correctness in fact ! that's the real reason why he got away with dominating over the German people in fact ! for if you were not Politicaly correct you became an enemy of the State in fact !

Did you learn that at School ? No ! because this world is full of delusions and deceptions ! and that is totaly what PC is in fact !
 

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The Ac has 42 months to rule. It's about one person ruling for that timeframe. The Papacy at best is a shadow of things to come, but there will be differences. There are shadows of the Ac all over, the Papacy, other religious leaders, in governments etc etc.

Most people will worship the AC, that includes all religions, the Pope, and other leaders ...
The papacy proclaims its rule of over 1200 years, if you look in history it very clear what is the "42 months" as the prophecy in Daniel gives us the key. Here the exact same time of the antichrist power which is referred to as ' a time and times and the dividing of time' or 3 1/2 times, a meaning the period of 1260 days/years as found for the Beast of Revelation, lets compare.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

This verse in Daniel is referring to a period of time that the little horn or Antichrist power will persecute the true believers or true church, and it blasphemes for 1260 years\42 months. The same is true for the time given "that it shall be for a time, times, and an half" for Daniel 12:7
In fact we can connect it to many more and also what the length of the period is for the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation as seen in the use of "time, times and half a time" (i.e. 1+2+0.5=3.5), "1,260 days" and "42 months". These references represent a period of 1260 years as you have to take in account of the 360 day Jewish year multiplied by 3.5. These time periods occur eight times in scripture:
Daniel 7:25, "time, times and a half".
Daniel 9:27, "half one set of seven".
Daniel 12:7, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 11:2, "42 months".
Revelation 11:3, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:6, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:14, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 13:5, "42 months".

Notice it is in the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation and clearly shows this period of 1260 years of the antichrist entity, the 'little horn/Beast' power prevailing in the church. Lets look closer.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

The two witnesses is a reference to the Old and New Testament scriptures. For 1260 years scriptural truth would be suppressed, obscured by the traditions of men and all you have to do is ask what church set aside Gods Word and go by its own tradition.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The true church would flee persecution by the apostate church, with its burning at the stake and forming inquisitions to persecute the true believers.

This antichrist power would become a very powerful religious organization as well as political power as we saw before.
It would be guilty of blasphemy (Revelation 13:5, 6).
It would war with and persecute the saints (Revelation 13:7).
So who persecuted and destroyed millions of saints during the Dark Ages, history is pretty clear on that.

And lets look at how it would reign for 42 months, which equals 1,260 years, the "time, times and half a time". History shows the Papacy origins as we see its rise in A.D. 538 not long after the death of Theodoric the strong Ostrogothic king and the defeat of the barbarian tribes around Rome and the Roman code of law restored in Rome along with taking of temporal power as this antichrist power grew stronger, and that takes us to 1798. Lets see what events happened that year and see if any 'religious/political' powered were affected....

January–June​

 

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The antichrist entity receives what appears to be a mortal blow, a 'deadly wound' which for all the world looked like the end of Papal Rome. History records what happened exactly in this timeline pf "42 months"/1260 years as the prophecy of Daniel (and Revelation) laid out.. Here is a good description....' let us review what happened during those 1260 years of Papal domination. One writer described this horrible period of the Dark Ages as follows:

“In the sixth century the papacy had become firmly established. Its seat of power was fixed in the imperial city, and the bishop of Rome was declared to be the head over the entire church. Paganism had given place to the papacy. The dragon had given to the beast "his power, and his seat, and great authority." [REVELATION 13:2] And now began the 1260 years of papal oppression foretold in the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation. [DANIEL 7:25; REVELATION 13:5-7.] Christians were forced to choose, either to yield their integrity and accept the papal ceremonies and worship, or to wear away their lives in dungeons or suffer death by the rack, the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], or the headsman's ax.”

“The accession of the Roman Church to power marked the beginning of the Dark Ages. As her power increased, the darkness deepened. Faith was transferred from Christ, the true foundation, to the pope of Rome. Instead of trusting in the Son of God for forgiveness of sins and for eternal salvation, the people looked to the pope, and to the priests and prelates to whom he delegated authority. They were taught that the pope was their earthly mediator, and that none could approach God except through him, and, further, that he stood in the place of God to them, and was therefore to be implicitly obeyed. A deviation from his requirements was sufficient cause for the severest punishment to be visited upon the bodies and souls of the offenders. Thus the minds of the people were turned away from God to fallible, erring, and cruel men, nay more, to the prince of darkness himself, who exercised his power through them.”

1260 Years of Medieval Darkness​

Although the Darkest period of the history of this world was during the 1260 year reign of the medieval Papacy, God raised great dignitaries of faith who proclaimed the Word of God and make it shine in the midst of darkness. Examples of such men of renown are: the Germans Martin Luther and Melanchthon, from Prague: John Huss and Jerome, the Swiss Ulric Zwingli, the Scot John Knox, the Englishmen: John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, Cranmer, Hugh Latimer, John and Charles Wesley, the Huguenots of France. They are such, “Of whom the world was not worthy” (Hebrews 11:38).

The Word of God Banned for 1260 years​

The same Dark Ages period of 1260 years is depicted in the Word of God as 1260 days when the two witnesses prophesied in sackcloth (Revelation 11:3). This was the period when the Word of God, depicted as the two witnesses, the Old and New Testaments was proscribed under penalty of death. “During the greater part of this period, God's witnesses remained in a state of obscurity. The papal power sought to hide from the people the word of truth, and set before them false witnesses to contradict its testimony. When the Word of God was proscribed by religious and secular authority; when its testimony was perverted, and every effort made that men and demons could invent to turn the minds of the people from it; when those who dared proclaim its sacred truths were hunted, betrayed, tortured, buried in dungeon cells, martyred for their faith, or compelled to flee to mountain fastness, and to dens and caves of the earth--then the faithful witnesses prophesied in sackcloth. Yet they continued their testimony throughout the entire period of 1260 years. In the darkest times there were faithful men who loved God's word and were jealous for His honor.”

The Word of God was banned because it reveals the Papacy’s schemes of deception and it reveals their span of temporal power during the Middle Ages. This period is also portrayed as the period 1260 days during which the woman flees into the wilderness. This is a reference to the Christian Church that had been persecuted during that dreadful period of the Dark Ages (Revelation 12:6).....
 

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John Huss​

John Huss was sentenced to a most horrendous death; he was burnt alive at the stake by Roman Catholic Church.

“Being again exhorted to retract, he replied, turning toward the people, "With what face, then, should I behold the heavens? How should I look on those multitudes of men to whom I have preached the pure gospel? No; I esteem their salvation more than this poor body, now appointed unto death." Finally a crown or mitre, on which were painted frightful figures of demons, and bearing the inscription, "The Arch-Heretic," was placed upon his head. "Most joyfully," he said, "will I wear this crown of shame for thy sake, O Lord Jesus, who for me didst wear a crown of thorns."

“He was now delivered up to the secular authorities, and led away to the place of execution. An immense procession followed, hundreds of men at arms, priests and bishops in their costly robes, and the inhabitants of Constance. When he had been fastened to the stake, and all was ready for the fire to be lighted, the martyr was once more exhorted to save himself by renouncing his errors. "What errors," said Huss, "shall I renounce? I know myself guilty of none. I call God to witness that all that I have written or preached has been with the view of rescuing souls from sin and perdition; and, therefore, most joyfully will I confirm with my blood that truth which I have written and preached. When the flames kindled about him, he began to sing, "Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me," and so continued till his voice was silenced forever.”

The Martyr Jerome​

Because of his faith in the Word of God, Jerome, another faithful man was condemned, by the Catholic prelates, to be burnt alive at the stake. On the day of his execution he was pleading with God for mercy as he had previously recanted from his faith because of fear when he beheld Huss’ execution. At the stake Jerome exclaimed: "Of all the sins that I have committed since my youth, none weigh so heavily upon my mind, and cause me such poignant remorse, as that which I committed in this fatal place, when I approved of the iniquitous sentence rendered against Wycliffe, and the holy martyr, John Huss, my master. Yes, I confess it from my heart; and declare with horror that I disgracefully quailed, when, through a dread of death, I condemned their doctrines. I therefore supplicate Almighty God to deign to pardon me my sins, and this one in particular, the most heinous of all." “His last words, uttered as the flames rose about him, were a prayer. "Lord, Almighty Father," he cried, "have pity on me, and pardon me my sins, for thou knowest that I have always loved thy truth." His voice ceased, but his lips continued to move in prayer.”

John Wycliffe​

John Wycliffe in his desire to reach out to the hungry multitudes with the Word of God, made it possible for the first copies of the Word of God to circulate in the English language as he translated it from the Latin version. However, Wycliffe’s daring task was not appreciated by an enraged Papacy that was thirsty for any opponent’s blood. This man of God died a natural death, leaving behind a heritage of faithfulness to the Word of God. “The papists had failed to work their will with Wycliffe during his life, and their hatred could not be satisfied while his body rested quietly in the grave. By the decree of the Council of Constance, more than forty years after his death his bones were exhumed and publicly burned, and the ashes were thrown into a neighboring brook.”

William Tyndale​

Englishman William Tyndale translated the Word of God in the early 16th century. The influence of his translation still remains with us today in the form of the King James Version. This later translation relied heavily upon Tyndale’s work. Tyndale was burned at the stake on 6 October, 1536. The Catholic prelates condemned him to death in the flames after finding him guilty of treason against the Papacy. He was killed for having translated the Word of God from the original Hebrew and Greek into the English language. Of Tyndale it is written that he “was to complete the work of Wycliffe in giving the Word of God to his countrymen.” He was “A diligent student and an earnest seeker for truth, who had received the Gospel from the Greek Testament of Erasmus. He fearlessly preached his convictions, urging that all doctrines be tested by the Scriptures. To the papist claim that the church had given the Word of God, and the church alone could explain it, Tyndale responded, "Do you know who taught the eagles to find their prey? That same God teaches his hungry children to find their Father in his Word. Far from having given us the Scriptures, it is you who have hidden them from us; it is you who burn those who teach them; and if you could, you would burn the Scriptures themselves."
 

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Now, many are backing away from identifying the Antichrist power which both Daniel and Revelation identify and show the "42 Month"/1260 years timeline, who Reformers and even those before them saw clearly as the Antichrist.
Here is good description of Martin Luther's conviction on this...
"Luther came to think of the pope as the Antichrist because, first, of what the general tradition was about where to find the Antichrist. The Antichrist was someone subverting the Church from within. That was the expectation popularly. And when he saw the papal office and read the histories and saw it subverting the gospel as he understood it, he became convinced that that was the proof that the papal office was the office of the Antichrist, trying to destroy God's church from within.

The pope claimed to be Christ's representative on earth. Luther became convinced that the pope was the devil's representative on earth. And that took graphic form very early in the Reformation ... with one of the most effective pieces of propaganda in the early Reformation: a series of 26 woodcuts that juxtaposed some action in Christ's life with something in the papacy. Christ carrying his cross to be crucified; the pope being carried in his throne on the backs of people ... . Christ washing the feet of the disciples; the pope having his feet kissed. And over and over again, scenes from Christ's life juxtaposed with scenes from the papacy. ... Christ was always humble and serving; the papacy, the pope was always lordly and [lording] over others. Christ is Christ; the pope is Antichrist.

At the end of his life, Martin Luther decided he had to issue his final testament against all the enemies of the gospel. And he published treatises, he encouraged people, but words were not sufficient. He also had to use images. And so he asked his friend, the painter Lucas Cranach, to do a series of woodcuts, and Luther wrote the verses for them. And these woodcuts were designed to show as graphically as possible, to those who could read and those who couldn't, what Luther thought of the papacy... Another one shows the pope riding an ass, holding a pile of dung in his hands, saying "The pope is offering a counsel." And another that shows the German emperor lying on the ground with the pope with his foot on the emperor's neck, which shows, once again graphically, Luther's belief that the papacy was trying to control secular authority throughout the world. These were all actions of the Antichrist, and Luther wanted to make it clear what he thought of the pope".... Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS
 

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And lets look at how it would reign for 42 months, which equals 1,260 years, the "time, times and half a time".


Wrong. 42 months is 3 and a half years, not 1,200 years. Do you have a calculator on your phone?
 

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The 1260 is days and that's for the two witnesses and no one else. The beast has 42 months, given in months for the enemy but the 1260 days for God's own but you have corrupted it, lengthened it and applied it to the past.....all which is wrong. It is not years and has nothing to do with the RCC and the past, and certainly not Napoleon.
In Bible Prophecy a day is sometimes given for a Prophetic Year which is regarded as a year literally. The principle is that in Bible prophecy, you must substitute a period of a year in place of a day. This is the day=year principle. This equation is clearly established in scripture:

Numbers 14:34
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34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

In this verse, a relationship between day and year is clear, each day will equate to a literal year. For the forty days that Israel spied in Canaan in unbelief, they would be punished by wandering forty years in the desert.

Ezekiel 4:6
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6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Here again, the equation is stated quite openly, a prophetic day represents a literal year, as you see.
 

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In Bible Prophecy a day is sometimes given for a Prophetic Year which is regarded as a year literally. The principle is that in Bible prophecy, you must substitute a period of a year in place of a day. This is the day=year principle. This equation is clearly established in scripture:

That is negated by the other timeframe of 42 months which happens at the same time. That means the 1260 days, is in days matching the 42 month timeframe. The beast has a period of 3.5 years, so too do the two witnesses.

Do you apply this made up rule to the days the two prophets lie in the streets in Rev 11?