What happens now. the New World Order....

[Hobie]

Actually, it is evident that a proper understanding of what God truly communicated is essential.



Well, "IF" you have spiritual eyes to see and understand. For example, you quoted the following verses:



Good job quoting the verses BUT do you know what God's definition of the beast is in Scripture? What about the image? One, like a premillennialist, cannot simply claim, "Oh, the beast must be a man, perhaps one in Europe," or "The image must be a rock statue that literally speaks before the world media." Such statements are not examples of proper biblical hermeneutics or exegesis.

Well, lets go over it as we see now in America with all the turmoil and chaos the path for the emergence of the image of the beast is being laid out. Lets see what Revelation mean by the expression “the image of the beast”...

Revelation 13:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This shows the beast of Revelation and depicts the attempt of this entity to counteract God’s goal for the plan of salvation. Which essentially is the restoration of 'image' of God in human beings as it was at Creation. We see this evil entity try to subvert Gods plan in the last days by creating the image of the beast on Earth. The image of the beast is an end time entity, comprised of a community of people who reflect the character of the dragon, and has religious-economic-political power to impose false worship on Earth. We see the corruption it brings which is the end time Babylon the Great of Revelation 17-18, and the image of the beast is best identified with this entity.

The image of the beast is basically an institution and procedures which will duplicate the form and behavior of the beast power in Revelation 13. It will convince many that its words and purpose are true despite not being in full harmony with Scripture and will persuade the people of the earth, believers and non-believers, to follow the religious-political power which is the beast. The lamblike beast will also begin speaking like a dragon and exercising the power of the beast, showing that it will become as intolerant especially in setting aside of laws and foundational liberties. This results in people receiving the mark of the beast which is by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast, and corruption of Gods Holy Day of worship. Lets look at the Revelation 14...

Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The entity which forms into the image has to have the power to reject Gods Law and force people to follow the original beast, and we see this happening in America. The turning away from the moral and spiritual truths of God, the loss of the foundational rights and the laws of America and the emergence of a corrupted power which we see in this new world order, is the rise of the image of the beast.

 

[Davy]

The Biblical prophecies for the end of this world have not changed.

Per Ezekiel 38, Russia will still be allied with Iran, Iraq, and Syria all representing Persia, and with Ukraine and Georgia and the old Soviet satellites of eastern Europe (representing Gomer), and with Turkey (old Togarmah) which is still part of NATO.

The timing for when those nations come up against the Christian West is the issue, and it will only be on the last day of this world. So do not be deceived. Esau (Russia) and Ishmael (Arabs) are still jealous of Jacob and Isaac (western Christian nations and Israel).

 

[Keraz]

It seems to me that many people don’t see how the Bible prophesies tie together to make a whole coherent picture.
There is no doubt that Daniel and Revelation have many parallel prophesies, that can also be seen; giving more details, in the other Bible books.

Regarding a One World Government: This concept has been around for a long time and many overt and covert movements have promoted it. That such a political entity will happen, led by a charismatic man known to us as the Anti-Christ, is quite clearly prophesied in Daniel 7:23-24 and described in Daniel 11:21-45, paralleled in Revelation 17:12-13 and described in Revelation 13:1-18.

The problem the promoters of the OWG have now, is the refusal of the nations to relinquish their sovereignty. We all prefer to do our own thing and with the current world situation, this works OK. There are hiccups with nations that mismanage their economies, but it is against the interests of the IMF and the ‘gnomes of Zurich’ to allow a nation to go bankrupt.

So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*, they know there has to be some kind of dramatic event to start this process. That planned event is to be a nuke attack in the Middle East. A mini WW3, that will shake up the world and have the beneficial effect of solving the Palestinian/ Israel conflict - they would both be gone!

Iran will proceed with their avowed plans to wipe Israel off the map and the recent developments in Syria, Gaza and Israel, is an indication of how close we are to this attack. They know such an attack will result in their own destruction, but they will do it, as their Satanic religion pushes them into it. Ezekiel 35:6, Proverbs 8:32

However, it won’t be retaliation by Israel or America that will thwart this secret attack by Iran and her allies onto Israel, the Lord will take action and He will destroy them all, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 83, 2 Peter 3:7, virtually depopulating the entire Middle East region. Ezekiel 7:14, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 49:35, Isaiah 34:5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 & 2:4-5 and many other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

The rest of the world will mostly survive and as things will be then, agreement on a OWG will be easy. Not quite as planned, but a similar result!

What happens to all the true believers in the Lord? Raptured to heaven? Nowhere does the Bible say that will happen at any time. 1 Peter 3:12 says it clearly; it will be the fiery test of our faith and we must stand firm, believing in His protection.
Then: look up, for our redemption is near. Luke 21:25-28 Jesus will Return soon.

*Google - 10 world regions.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Well, lets go over it as we see now in America with all the turmoil and chaos the path for the emergence of the image of the beast is being laid out. Lets see what Revelation mean by the expression “the image of the beast”...

America?? Stop it.

You did not answer the questions. What is God's definition of the beast and image in Scripture? We did not ask you to find an interpretation from the world report. You need to find it within the Word of God.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Biblical prophecies for the end of this world have not changed.

Per Ezekiel 38, Russia will still be allied with Iran, Iraq, and Syria all representing Persia, and with Ukraine and Georgia and the old Soviet satellites of eastern Europe (representing Gomer), and with Turkey (old Togarmah) which is still part of NATO.

The timing for when those nations come up against the Christian West is the issue, and it will only be on the last day of this world. So do not be deceived. Esau (Russia) and Ishmael (Arabs) are still jealous of Jacob and Isaac (western Christian nations and Israel).

Ezekiel 38 has nothing to do with Russia. You, like many false prophets before you, are screaming with false gospels that are based on CARNALIY WORK by looking for physical nations to take part in physical war against national Israel in the Middle East. God is talking about something much different so you need to have spiritual ears and eyes to know what He is talking about here. Sad.

 

[TribulationSigns]

interests of the IMF and the ‘gnomes of Zurich’ to allow a nation to go bankrupt.

Speculation

So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*,

Speculation

That planned event is to be a nuke attack in the Middle East. A mini WW3, that will shake up the world and have the beneficial effect of solving the Palestinian/ Israel conflict - they would both be gone!

Speculation

Iran will proceed with their avowed plans to wipe Israel off the map and the recent developments in Syria, Gaza and Israel, is an indication of how close we are to this attack. They know such an attack will result in their own destruction, but they will do it, as their Satanic religion pushes them into it.

Speculation

However, it won’t be retaliation by Israel or America that will thwart this secret attack by Iran and her allies onto Israel, the Lord will take action and He will destroy them all,

Speculation

The rest of the world will mostly survive and as things will be then, agreement on a OWG will be easy.

Speculation

*Google - 10 world regions.

Speculation

These are just a private interpreation based on his interpretation of world news. Sad.

 

[quietthinker]

The Pope and Vlad Putin are late to the "New World Order".

George Bush, Senior, was talking about it in the early 80's.

Newt Gingrich use to talk about "integration of the Nations".

Its called "Globalism"

Its called "World Revolution".

Marxism
Stalinism

"think Globally, act Locally".

Its all the same.

"End all borders, clash all cultures together, and when the world is on fire because of this... , then a "New World Order" has arrived and its out of order.

Just keep your eyes on Israel, and what happens to them, and keep your eye on the USA Economy.

When the paradigm is faulty; when Jesus name is used to rubber-stamp faulty theology; when it is assumed the cat is in the bag; when Israel is encouraged to be the focus of 'the faithful'; when it is not in the consciousness to question ones own paradigm or even be aware of why and how its process was formed.....being deceived will be the over ripe apple naturally falling from the tree.

 

[Behold]

Israel is encouraged to be the focus of 'the faithful';

Jesus was and is : a Jew.

The Jew was always the central focus in the OT, and once the Bride of Christ is Raptured, which is so very soon.... then "the time of the Gentiles" = is OVER..... the "body of Christ" "the Church" is gone,........... and now God will resume His specific dealing with "the Jew".
This is the 7 Yr "Tribulation" period.

 

[Keraz]

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These are just a private interpreation based on his interpretation of world news. Sad.

Accusation without refutation is of no use or value.
You need to change your avatar name, as you reveal nothing.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Accusation without refutation is of no use or value.

Why should I refute on any speculation if it was not support by Scripture? Your speculations are useless or valuable to refute because they are your private interpretations and not based on Scripture.

You need to change your avatar name, as you reveal nothing.

Humm, so you get offended by my avatar? LOL.

If it reveals nothing to you, then it is a mystery to you. :-)

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Where did I ever say this?

You just said you don't believe God's Word teaches that there will be an anti-christ.... so when the mark of the beast gets here you won't recognize what it really is, and so you'll take the mark so you can buy and sell and cause you are scared to die for your faith.

 

[WitnessX]

The Biblical prophecies for the end of this world have not changed.

Per Ezekiel 38, Russia will still be allied with Iran, Iraq, and Syria all representing Persia, and with Ukraine and Georgia and the old Soviet satellites of eastern Europe (representing Gomer), and with Turkey (old Togarmah) which is still part of NATO.

The timing for when those nations come up against the Christian West is the issue, and it will only be on the last day of this world. So do not be deceived. Esau (Russia) and Ishmael (Arabs) are still jealous of Jacob and Isaac (western Christian nations and Israel).

Satan has tricked many, the mystery still to be revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

You just said you don't believe God's Word teaches that there will be an anti-christ.... so when the mark of the beast gets here you won't recognize what it really is, and so you'll take the mark so you can buy and sell and cause you are scared to die for your faith.

Check this out:

I have noticed similar teachings about the antichrist/man of sin etc.

Doctrines like Pre-trib teach the church will be gone, so they don't worry about the antichrist or look for any of the signs of his arrival.

Various forms of Preterism including Amillennialism teach the antichrist already came in the past so there is no need to watch for him now.

Other doctrines teach that the antichrist isn't a singular man, or that denominations like the RCC and it's Papacy are the antichrist which is a mis-identification of the last and final antichrist and antichrist type system.

All false doctrines teach some version of doctrine where it's adherents need not worry about or watch for the not-yet-here antichrist. Seems like a great thing for satan to introduce into the churches so his antichrist (whoever he is) can slip right in and deceive those not watching. The antichrist is also known as a false christ and that is the most dangerous thing not to be knowledgeable about in the endtimes because of the apostasia (the Apostasy).

So, not watching for the antichrist or not believing in a singular future AC or thinking something/someone else is the antichrist can result in one being deceived and possibly committing Apostasy.

That is extremely dangerous. Beware!

 

[TribulationSigns]

You just said you don't believe God's Word teaches that there will be an anti-christ

Where did I say this? I never denied that God's Word warned about the antichrist. The problem is that your interpretation of the beast or your vision of the final antichrist on Earth is wrong.

.... so when the mark of the beast gets here you won't recognize what it really is,

Look... There are speculation about many things that could end up being the mark of the beast but it is NOT a physical mark on your physical right hand or physical forehead. You people are coming up with wild theories of what the mark of the beast is that you cannot buy or sell without it.

and so you'll take the mark so you can buy and sell and cause you are scared to die for your faith.

No. It has nothing to do with world things we need to buy and sell with a physical mark on your right hand or forehead. You do not understand everything - - Beast, image, mark of the beast, number 666, right hand, forehead, buying and selling. What you believe is a deception of the premillennialism doctrine that is all about the physical mark that may cost your life. Please!!!!
No. it is a SPIRITUAL mark that Satan will owe you as long as it is on your right hand (your will), or on your forehead (your mind). And the buying and selling has to do with the false doctrine you share or buy from. Nothing to do with food, house, cars, etc. The spiritual mark is more deadly than any physical mark on your skin! Geez!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Doctrines like Pre-trib teach the church will be gone, so they don't worry about the antichrist or look for any of the signs of his arrival.

LOL. Premillennialism (including its cousins, pre-, mid-, post-, prewrath-, or even anytime rapture) are all wrong.

Various forms of Preterism including Amillennialism teach the antichrist already came in the past so there is no need to watch for him now.

The doctrines of Preterism and their obsession with 70AD and sometimes Antiochus IV Epiphanes are false. Some Amillennialists and Reformers who believe the beast is Pope are false.

Most people are busy looking for ONE MAN as "thee" antichrist with supernatural power, therefore, they interpret the beast as one man who they believe will someday rule from physical temple in Jerusalem. What a left-behind hogwash!

2Th 2:2-4
(2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Listen, Satan was bound since the Cross so that Christ could build His Church through the testimony of Two Witnesses (Elect) for the past 2,000 years (symbolically thousand years) until all Elect has been secured, Revelation 7:1-4. After this Satan will be loosen from the bottomless pit. This is WHEN Satan shall be revealed THROUGH false prophets and christs (beast with two horns like a lamb). It only occur in God's House - where Satan want to rule THROUGH men! The unsaved world is already under Satan's camp, but he is coming into the church through false prophet and christs and cause many within the congregaiton to receive the mark of the beast. IT is a spiritual mark to show that they are owned by Satan.

Let me explain... the rise of antichrist is not going to come with people saying, "don't listen to God". Rather the false prophets and christs with the spirit of antichrist come saying God is in the desert (desolate) places and we should not exclude that Church. The spirit of antichrist comes saying "Divorce is a necessary evil." The spirit of antichrist comes saying "work gospel doesn't exclude anyone from grace". In other words, Satan comes LOOKING LIKE he is the good compassionate one, when he is the spirit of the way of this world!
He takes the desires of the flesh (carnal) and cloaks it in gold. The same as the imagery of the harlot of Revelation that looks precious on the outside, but inside full of the abominations of the flesh. What I'm saying is, many Christians today cannot really tell the difference between the world and the church because they have yoked themselves tightly together. The perfect example of this is that the church actually divorces at about the same rate as the world does. This is a travesty, and it is happening because the church is walking according to the world.

Ephesians 2:2-3

• "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
• Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

When the spirit of antichrist is loosed, this is the type of deception we can expect to INCREASE. Wolves yes, but dressed in sheep's clothing! Wolves saying don't be judgmental, have compassion, show love, and don't correct or rebuke. They believe that if the word of God is offensive to some, then don't preach it. But they say all these things in the name of God so that they "appear" to be good Christian people who love the Lord and are just trying to do be sensible and compassionate. This is what the beast with two horns like a lamb but spoke like dragon SIGNIFIES!

This "great tribulation period" is unique and catastrophic because it is a time when the false Christians led of Satan are so subtle and deceptive that "FEW" will "see" the worldwide abomination IN the church, the offenses toward God, and the signs of Christ's soon return.

Matthew 24:24-26

• "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
• Behold, I have told you before.
• Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

Note the context is the CHURCH! This is where the false Christs, and false prophets come with a deceiving so great that they might even deceive the elect within! "THAT" answers your question of why, though this tribulation period is so unique and catastrophic, still few will recognize it. But the problem is that many of you will deny there is anything wrong with your church and insisted that the antichrist is out there, maybe some superman in Europe but don't worry we will be rapture out without worry about him. UGH!!! You will totally miss the true sign of Christ's coming!

Other doctrines teach that the antichrist isn't a singular man, or that denominations like the RCC and it's Papacy are the antichrist which is a mis-identification of the last and final antichrist and antichrist type system.

Of course, false doctrine. Next!

All false doctrines teach some version of doctrine where it's adherents need not worry about or watch for the not-yet-here antichrist.

Not me. According to 2nd these 2:2-4, the return of the Lord Jesus and the rapture will not occur until a great falling away and man of sin be revealed (meaning you will "see" Satan being revealed through more and more people who believe a lie). FIRST! That is why we need to watch out for the apostasy in the church with many more antichrist ruling there. Selah!

Seems like a great thing for satan to introduce into the churches so his antichrist (whoever he is) can slip right in and deceive those not watching. The antichrist is also known as a false christ and that is the most dangerous thing not to be knowledgeable about in the endtimes because of the apostasia (the Apostasy).

Well, many people do NOT realize that antichrists are among them because they don't see anything wrong with them. Why? Because they have the mark of the beast on their right hand (will) and forehead (mind) they will AGREE with whatever false doctrines that false prophets and christs brought into the church so that they can buy and sell their doctrines to deceive more people! Selah!

So, not watching for the antichrist or not believing in a singular future AC or thinking something/someone else is the antichrist can result in one being deceived and possibly committing Apostasy.

Well, I would say that Christians will not watch for antichrist in their church because they will deny this. They will say that antichrist will only show up in Europe or come after they are raptured out. But they are deceived. The antichrists are already among them and rule their church and they know it not!

That is extremely dangerous. Beware!

Indeed.

 

[ewq1938]

Not me. According to 2nd these 2:2-4, the return of the Lord Jesus and the rapture will not occur until a great falling away and man of sin be revealed (meaning you will "see" Satan being revealed through more and more people who believe a lie).

Yes you. You deny the singular AC in favor for the only multiple AC's theory. Your beliefs are like all the other false beliefs and theologies that deny the final, singular antichrist. All false doctrines of the end times have this in common almost like they have a single author! When the Ac does come, doctrines like this will make the person accept him, not believing a singular AC could come. This is how the Apostasy happens.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Yes you. You deny the singular AC in favor for the only multiple AC's theory. Your beliefs are like all the other false beliefs and theologies that deny the final, singular antichrist. All false doctrines of the end times have this in common almost like they have a single author! When the Ac does come, doctrines like this will make the person accept him, not believing a singular AC could come. This is how the Apostasy happens.

Where is your biblical refutation? LOL, all I heard was denial from you. Just keep singular AC theory to yourself like many false prophets teaching the same thing before you.

 

[ewq1938]

Just keep singular AC theory to yourself like many false prophets teaching the same thing before you.

At least my view is in line with scripture while yours is part of how the AC causes the Apostasy to happen. Yours denies a singular AC, Pretrib denies the church will face the AC, preterists believe the AC came in the past already. These are all different AC denials which will aid the AC when he comes because none of these false doctrines believe he is real or a danger to Christians in the end times when the truth is his coming is the most dangerous thing of the endtimes.

 

[wooddog]

Check this out:

I have noticed similar teachings about the antichrist/man of sin etc.

Doctrines like Pre-trib teach the church will be gone, so they don't worry about the antichrist or look for any of the signs of his arrival.

Various forms of Preterism including Amillennialism teach the antichrist already came in the past so there is no need to watch for him now.

Other doctrines teach that the antichrist isn't a singular man, or that denominations like the RCC and it's Papacy are the antichrist which is a mis-identification of the last and final antichrist and antichrist type system.

All false doctrines teach some version of doctrine where it's adherents need not worry about or watch for the not-yet-here antichrist. Seems like a great thing for satan to introduce into the churches so his antichrist (whoever he is) can slip right in and deceive those not watching. The antichrist is also known as a false christ and that is the most dangerous thing not to be knowledgeable about in the endtimes because of the apostasia (the Apostasy).

So, not watching for the antichrist or not believing in a singular future AC or thinking something/someone else is the antichrist can result in one being deceived and possibly committing Apostasy.

That is extremely dangerous. Beware!

The tares are working overtime.

 

[PGS11]

The new world order as the world comes apart is for the rich to retain their wealth and power while the poor perish.Many of the poor are Christians.The religious part will be those who stand up for the teachings of Christ and fight and those who are in it for themselves agreeing with any plan that keeps their wealth rejecting their faith.Its a war of the rich against the poor sides will have to be taken and you know the teachings of Christ.