What does the Bible say about when Jesus Christ would return?

[RR144]

Matt,

Do we need anything further than Matt 24:36 (ESV), "“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

No one may know the day or the hour, but that doesn't mean we can't know whether he is here, near or still far off. Remember his disciples asked "What will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?” (Matthew 24:3)

There are three ways at looking at this verse. Most look at it and see the signs that He is coming, others see the sign that He is near, and a small minority see the sign that He is here. When we look at the word COMING, it's the Greek work Parousia, which translated means Presence. Translator hate translating this word as PRESENCE, and prefer COMING. It really changes the meaning of it all. When ever this word is used in reference to our Lord's return, it's always translated as COMING, yet when it is referring to anyone else in the Scripture, they reightfully translate it as PRESENCE. Case in point

• "For, His letters, they say, are weighty and strong; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech of no account." - 2 Corinthians 10:10
• "So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12

Why not be consistent?

 

[Enoch111]

And if the future is now?

The future is the future and the present is the present. The Gospel of the Kingdom must be preached in all the world. Then comes the end: And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14).

God has a planned schedule for everything leading up to the Second Coming of Christ. But that in itself leads up to the New Heavens and the New Earth. So we are presently in "the Age of Grace" or "the Church Age' in which God is adding souls to the Church.

 

[Ziggy]

I just did a few video readings on Matthew Chapter 10: it talks about that division about how Jesus had not to come bring peace upon the earth but a sword.

I see the "sword" as dividing asunder the marrow from the bone, or carnal knowledge vs spiritual knowledge.
Look and see how many times we "draw swords" concerning different interpretations of what the word says and what it means.
The more I study the bible the less carnal and more spiritual it becomes, to me.

In Matthew 10 it speaks directly how Jesus gave his 12 disciples power to cast out demons and help the lepers. Only them was this given the ability to be done.

Now I'm not arguing with you here Matthew, again, I see things a bit diffferently, spiritually speaking..
so consider this:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If Jesus only gave the ability to his 12 disciples, then how are there "many" that claim to be doing this very thing?

I see devils and evil spirits as people who are afflicted with depression, suicidal thoughts, filled with anger and wrath.
I see lepers as those who are pushed out of society as odd or different, ridiculed and abused.

I believe we have the ability to lift our brothers and sisters up out of despair. And to love and accept those whom the world casts out of their midsts.

There are a lot of charlatans in the world that claim they can do these things for money.
And from what I've seen, a lot of them (maybe not all) are usually staged events.
I don't claim to be able to tell a lame person to stand up and walk, but through my words and my heart, I may be able to help them lift their spirit and walk in peace and comfort and joy.

I know you hear what I'm saying brother.

God Bless You
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

The future is the future and the present is the present. The Gospel of the Kingdom must be preached in all the world. Then comes the end: And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14).

God has a planned schedule for everything leading up to the Second Coming of Christ. But that in itself leads up to the New Heavens and the New Earth. So we are presently in "the Age of Grace" or "the Church Age' in which God is adding souls to the Church.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Yeah, I hear what your saying Enoch,
But just like seasons have a revolving cycle, I believe that the Gospel was spoken to all the nations on the day of Pentacost.
That's not to say that Pentacost is not a revolving "season" . I believe we are seeing those very same things happening in our day as well.
I believe as the days start getting darker, the voices that spread the gospel will become LOUDER.
At some point the world has to make a 180 degree turn. And repent.
But it's not going to until there is a punishment felt for their actions.
Justice must come. And I believe it is even at the door.

The early and the latter rain...
And it's going to rain alright...
Much Love
Hugs

 

[MatthewG]

I see the "sword" as dividing asunder the marrow from the bone, or carnal knowledge vs spiritual knowledge.
Look and see how many times we "draw swords" concerning different interpretations of what the word says and what it means.
The more I study the bible the less carnal and more spiritual it becomes, to me.



Now I'm not arguing with you here Matthew, again, I see things a bit diffferently, spiritually speaking..
so consider this:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If Jesus only gave the ability to his 12 disciples, then how are there "many" that claim to be doing this very thing?

I see devils and evil spirits as people who are afflicted with depression, suicidal thoughts, filled with anger and wrath.
I see lepers as those who are pushed out of society as odd or different, ridiculed and abused.

I believe we have the ability to lift our brothers and sisters up out of despair. And to love and accept those whom the world casts out of their midsts.

There are a lot of charlatans in the world that claim they can do these things for money.
And from what I've seen, a lot of them (maybe not all) are usually staged events.
I don't claim to be able to tell a lame person to stand up and walk, but through my words and my heart, I may be able to help them lift their spirit and walk in peace and comfort and joy.

I know you hear what I'm saying brother.

God Bless You
Hugs

Yes there is nothing wrong with understanding the division also from the word being able to judge the contents of the hearts correct?

It is still needed to be noted however in Matthew 10: how direct Jesus was with everything he had stated. That division was also a promise towards the Israelites in which the wrath of God would come upon them for they desire not the true and living God.

The way you understand and are sharing with me is understanding from the spirit as you speak about devils in the affliction of the Flesh as that was what Jesus healing is for us now today. For renewed heart mind, soul.

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe the biggest problem in today’s culture is the preaching that Jesus is still coming back today and we need to continue to play church, and judge others people in the congregation and if they aren’t fit the standard of man they are cast aside…

Its happened in so many church’s and even hellfire and damnation and torture and only some people are elect and God said to hell with everyone else because Jesus though they sing Jesus had the victory hasn’t had the victory.

Though I do not think it is wrong for people to go to church to learn about the word however if they are only feeding their own thoughts and not in according to the Bible how can you trust them?

Without questioning yourself are these things presented really true and accurate in accordance with the Bible? And what about Jesus and his victory over all things in Revelation? Historically it was written to 7 churches who read all about the coming quickness of Jesus and his return…

Wouldn’t that be an honest deduction: John wrote to the 7 churches in Asia Minor about the things that were in hand and soon to pass. That doesn’t mean 1000 years later in the future.

However you are free to decide for yourself as I desire no dominion over your faith.

As you have been shown, the book of Revelation was written in 96AD, during the reign of Emperor Domitian

Revelation 1:19 clearly teaches of a (Tge Things Which Are) Revelation Chapters 1-4
(Things Which Will Be Hereafter) Revelation Chapters 5-22

The entire scripture is packed full of the "Future" literal, visible, coming of Jesus Christin the heavens that you deny

You have expressed No future second coming or no future resurrection of the dead in Christ

"Full Preterism" a teaching that denies the very pillars and foundation of the Christian's faith and hope, relating to Gods written promises

 

[MatthewG]

As you have been shown, the book of Revelation was written in 96AD, during the reign of Emperor Domitian

Revelation 1:19 clearly teaches of a (Tge Things Which Are) Revelation Chapters 1-4
(Things Which Will Be Hereafter) Revelation Chapters 5-22

The entire scripture is packed full of the "Future" literal, visible, coming of Jesus Christin the heavens that you deny

You have expressed No future second coming or no future resurrection of the dead in Christ

"Full Preterism" a teaching that denies the very pillars and foundation of the Christian's faith and hope, relating to Gods written promises

Hello Again, Truth7t7

I believe Jesus done return when he said he would. To those people in that age, so I don’t understand how you don’t believe that I do not believe in a second coming.

I believe the Bible said Jesus would return.

Jesus did come back, when he said he would to that generation then in that day.

I also believe there is going to be a resurrection for all people.

Why do you keep saying I don’t?

 

[Truth7t7]

You still, it seems, do not understand what I do or do not believe. Do you even care if it does not agree completely with you? Have you seriously considered the possibility that you have missed receiving something God? All of us believe we are right, which Solomon confirmed 3000 years ago,

Remember Pontius Pilate's famous question to Jesus? "What is Truth?

Communication is a very important thing.

Does the word "future" even apply here? Can we communicate without it?

"Literal" on the other hand is a word used often on this forum and elsewhere by people who presume their listeners or readers understand their meaning. Unless I am already familiar their 'set in concrete' ATs [Absolute Truths] what might I really understand about them?

I try to avoid using "literal" without some clarification when I am speaking with someone who really wants a two-way discussion.

So then... have we come up with anything edifying to each other from our encounter? To anyone else? Are your ATs intact?

Do either one of us know as much as Jesus knew when he began his course as a man of flesh?

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

After several attempts and observation of your postings, it's my conclusion you deny the future resurrection of the dead in Christ

As 1 Corinthians Chapter 15 clearly teaches, Yes Jesus Christ was physically resurrected and maintained a "Literal" physical body of flesh and bone, he was the "First Fruits" of the resurrection, and at his return the dead in Christ will experience this same Literal "Resurrection" as Jesus Christ, into a "Literal" body of Flesh and Bone

 

[Enoch111]

Why not be consistent?

You seem to be forgetting that parousia can be translated EITHER as "presence" OR as "coming", depending on the context. As a matter of fact it is used for both the Rapture and the Second Coming (two distinctly different events). So the KJB translators have correctly translated this word, but you are trying to tell everyone that parousia does not mean "coming" at all. Once again as a "Berean" you are doing a good job of sowing spiritual confusion.

Strong's Concordance
parousia: a presence, a coming
Original Word: παρουσία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: parousia
Phonetic Spelling: (par-oo-see'-ah)
Definition: a presence, a coming
Usage: (a) presence, (b) a coming, an arrival, advent, especially of the second coming of Christ.

Note: Thayer's Greek Lexicon concurs with Strong's.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hello Again, Truth7t7

I believe Jesus done return when he said he would. To those people in that age, so I don’t understand how you don’t believe that I do not believe in a second coming.

I believe the Bible said Jesus would return.

Jesus did come back, when he said he would to that generation then in that day.

I also believe there is going to be a resurrection for all people.

Why do you keep saying I don’t?

My responses have defined several times "Future" coming of Jesus in the heavens

Of course you deny a "Future" coming of Jesus in the heavens, you can believe as you wish, but its major error in my opinion, contrary to the doctrine found in my Bible

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus did come back, when he said he would to that generation then in that day.

No. The Second Coming of Christ has not happened as yet. What you believe about His "coming" is false.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Don't put words in my mouth. Jesus came the first time when he was born to Mary in Bethlehem. We have probably all read about that in the Bible. For me, he came the second time when he began to dwell in me. That was the second coming, was it not?

NO, that is NOT The Second Coming of Jesus Christ! This is a LITERAL Return of Jesus Christ which every eye will see, the SAME way that He LITERALLY Ascended to Heaven after His Death and Resurrection:

Acts chapter 1

9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they were looking stedfastly into heaven as he went, behold two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 who also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? this Jesus, who was received up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven.

 

[n2thelight]

Hello to you,

Welcome to this thread, that deals with "What does the Bible say about when Jesus Christ would return?"

To me the question is begging to be answered, though it would require every piece of evidence and fragment of scripture to put it all together to get the greatest fullest picture pertaining with this question, it may not just simply be answered by one answer that you may find.

If you would like to share some scripture that you personally have found through the Gospels, and the Apostles Letters, please feel free to do so.

God bless to all,
In Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

Just to keep it simple ,Christ returns 3 1/2 days after the two witnesses are killed

 

[MatthewG]

My friends, either Jesus said what he said was true, when he talked to his disciples, and when he shown the revelation to John. Throughout the narrative John reminds his audience that these things should quickly come to pass for the time is at hand.

I believe that Jesus did not lie to his Apostles, and is Apostles did not lie to the audience they wrote to back in that day.

Though for some reason I shouldn’t believe it I suppose?

 

[MatthewG]

Wasn’t the ones who pierced Jesus the ones who had him to be crucified on the cross?

Matthew 27:25

And all the people yelled back, “We will take responsibility for his death—we and our children!”

 

[MatthewG]

My responses have defined several times "Future" coming of Jesus in the heavens

Of course you deny a "Future" coming of Jesus in the heavens, you can believe as you wish, but its major error in my opinion, contrary to the doctrine found in my Bible

No. The Second Coming of Christ has not happened as yet. What you believe about His "coming" is false.

Just to keep it simple ,Christ returns 3 1/2 days after the two witnesses are killed

Thank you all for commenting.

None of these things was possible to happen in the generation which lived among Jesus at the time?

Do you guys suggest dual prophecy?

 

[RR144]

You seem to be forgetting that parousia can be translated EITHER as "presence" OR as "coming", depending on the context. As a matter of fact it is used for both the Rapture and the Second Coming (two distinctly different events). So the KJB translators have correctly translated this word, but you are trying to tell everyone that parousia does not mean "coming" at all.

These are signs of CHRIST’S PRESENCE — not coming. Christ’s return causes these signs to happen! Faithful watching Christians will see these signs as proofs that Christ has returned.

Rotherham [3rd Edition] correctly translates the 24 occurrences of “parousia” as presence. Matt. 24:3,27,37,39; I Cor. 15:23; 16:17; 2 Cor. 7:6,7; 10:10; Phil. 1:26; 2:12; I Thess. 2:19; 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; II Thess. 2:1,8,9; James 5:7,8; II Pet. 1:16; 3:4,12; I John 2:28. King James Version mistranslates “parousia” as coming in all but two instances, which were correctly translated presence: 2 Cor. 10:10 and Phil. 2:12

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The end of "their world"? Or the end of the age? These are different. Which did Jesus say?

Much love!

Amen, Very important.

They asked three questions

When will these things be (the destruction of the temple)
the sign of your coming
the end of the age.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Don't put words in my mouth. Jesus came the first time when he was born to Mary in Bethlehem. We have probably all read about that in the Bible. For me, he came the second time when he began to dwell in me. That was the second coming, was it not?

as for HIS second coming according to scripture..

No..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dan 2: the return to destroy and end the gentile kingdoms.

44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”