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Hi all,
Does "born again" mean that you simply believe in faith or simply chose to believe in faith in Jesus Christ, or does it also mean that you have to be baptized? I hope this is a simple answer. Thank you.
The term 'born again' can mean different things to different people. for instance the Catholics will tell you that babies are 'born again' at their 'baptisms' To me being born again spiritually means turning your back on the world and all its ways and turning to God by accepting Jesus into your life; not just for Sundays but 24/7. Accepting that He paid the price to redeem us from certain spiritual death because of our sinful human nature. When we are re-born spiritually the Holy Spirit imparts the Nature of Jesus in us and God sees not sinners but a saints. We are adopted into God's family.
 

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They were not unconverted.
They were Christians.
The unconverted don't, and cannot, speak in tongues.
Unconverted people don't receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
You obviously don't understand what being converted means. What does it mean? You're NOT converted until you've been saved. And what does that mean? It means your sins have been forgiven and you are the Lords. And how does that happen according to scripture? Read Acts 2:38-47. Upon belief and repentance, you're baptized into Christ. And doing so, your sins are remitted, you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the Lord adds you to his body which is the church. That's how you are saved, converted, and become a child of God, a Christian. And that's why the Gentiles in Acts 10 were baptized.
 

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You're NOT converted until you've been saved.
They were saved.
They were saved and received the Holy Spirit, they were speaking in tongues.

And right after they were baptized in water,.


But I guess we might as well stop this discussion because it now goes around in circles.
 
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I don't know understand. I thought my question was clear when I just asked you if you were baptized first prior to receiving the Holy Spirit. So you now answered it in your post saying you were baptized after you received the Holy Spirit which is scriptural too, thank you.
Sometimes though, I don't know what is wrong, but why are there some dead-faith Christians who seemed to have been baptized and have read the bible but they're NOT "born again"! the Holy Ghost/Spirit is not prompting change, a new beginning, IN them? What does that indicate? Any ideas anyone?
Baptism and reading the Bible are two activities that don't accomplish being "born again". One can be symbolically submerged in water and arise from it, then read the Bible constantly, but unless the person receives the Holy Spirit nothing has really changed. Jesus said "you must be born again". John 3:6, "What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit."
 

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They were saved.
They were saved and received the Holy Spirit, they were speaking in tongues.

And right after they were baptized in water,.


But I guess we might as well stop this discussion because it now goes around in circles.
You're NOT saved until you've been baptized according to scripture. Until you're baptized, you're still in sin.
 

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Hi all,
Does "born again" mean that you simply believe in faith or simply chose to believe in faith in Jesus Christ, or does it also mean that you have to be baptized? I hope this is a simple answer. Thank you.
You do not have to be baptized.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God—not the result of works, so that no one may boast." Notice that salvation is a gift from God; there are no works required, including baptism.
 

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What does "born again" mean?​

That's a darn good question, and I don't think the answer is simple. (Sorry, TLP!) I hear that phrase being tossed about so casually in Christian circles without people really thinking about what it means. Is being "born again" metaphorical, or metaphysical? That is, is it just a way of sayin' that you're starting a new life now that you trust Jesus and maybe you got baptized to publicly show it, or did something really change inside you? Or maybe a little of both?

Jesus said:

7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again’ (or 'born from above'). 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” (John 3:7-8)

I take that to mean you sense that SOMETHING happened to you, but you don't know what, and you don't know how, and you don't what comes next. Which I can sorta relate to. (But if you can't relate to that, TLP, don't let it worry you. You're normal.)
It doesn't say that you don't know what happened or what comes next. It means that you can't explain it. I was born again in the hospital and I knew exactly what happened. I was healed by Jesus Christ and received the Holy Spirit, and I knew what happened next. I had read the Bible prior to that event.
 

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Hello, Has anyone looked at this article: "Born Again" or "Begotten from Above"?

Love, Walter
You can't be born again and be Christ's if you're in sin and the only way to remove sin is by water immersion, baptism.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the​

 

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You can't be born again and be Christ's if you're in sin and the only way to remove sin is by water immersion, baptism.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16​

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the​

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You can't be born again and be Christ's if you're in sin and the only way to remove sin is by water immersion, baptism.
In other words: " What Christ did at the Cross was not enough to save you!"

That sums up this haywire doctrine.

But the truth is That anyone who calls upon the Lord will be saved.
 
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You can't be born again and be Christ's if you're in sin and the only way to remove sin is by water immersion, baptism.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16​

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the​

That simply is not the case. As Ephesians clearly states: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God—not the result of works, so that no one may boast." You are saved through faith. Not by any work, including baptism.

Romans 6:4, "Therefore we were buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life."

There is a world of difference between being symbolically buried and being saved by God.

If baptism saved anyone, why weren't all the people who came to John to be baptized in the Jordan saved?
 

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Hi all,
Does "born again" mean that you simply believe in faith or simply chose to believe in faith in Jesus Christ, or does it also mean that you have to be baptized? I hope this is a simple answer. Thank you.
Hello, I have been thinking about the OP and the different posts, but have not received any revelation on what Jesus was talking about to Nicodemus. But I'm glad to have an understanding of these views on this thread and more on other site forums.

I was looking at: It is by scripture we as Christians are not Born Again until we are caught up to be with Christ 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58

But here are some views from Bing:
In Christianity, being born again means having a spiritual renewal or change of heart by accepting Jesus as the Savior and Lord. It is not about physical birth or external requirements, but about receiving salvation and becoming part of God’s family1.

The phrase “born again” is frequently misinterpreted. Looking at its primary reference, we see that its meaning is not about physical birth, but about experiencing a spiritual renewal. It is an expression used by many Protestants to define the moment or process of fully accepting faith in Jesus Christ. It is an experience when the teachings of Christianity and Jesus become real, and the “born again” acquire a personal relationship with God2.

Also, we will be in prayer about this process.

Love, Walter And Debbie
 
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You can't be born again and be Christ's if you're in sin and the only way to remove sin is by water immersion, baptism.
We Are Saved By the Blood of the Messiah, Not Water Baptism

Various churches have numerous videos posted on YouTube which teach that we apply the blood of the Messiah to our sins by getting water baptized. This is false religion and a doctrine of demons. According to Hebrews 12:24 the precious blood of Yeshua (who is our resurrected High Priest -- Hebrews 4:15-16) was sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat in Heaven (Hebrews 9:12). The Messiah did this in the presence of God the Father on our behalf (Hebrews 9:24). It is the blood of Yeshua that washes our sins away, and not water. There is no instance in the Old Testament Temple ritual where water was ever sprinkled on the Mercy Seat!

Colossians 1:19-20: “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”

There is not one verse in the Bible which even remotely hints that water baptism is associated with the Messiah's shed blood. To teach otherwise is to corrupt the Word of YEHOVAH God.

In John chapter 3, where the Messiah is witnessing to Nicodemus, he plainly teaches that being “born of water” refers to the physical birth, and not to water baptism as some heretics falsely claim. John 3:6, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.” The Messiah is contrasting the fleshly birth to the spiritual birth. This passage of Scripture has absolutely nothing to do with water baptism.

Titus 3:5 is often used by false prophets in a foolish attempt to teach water baptism for salvation:

Titus 3:5: “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the holy spirit.”

Being “born-again” means that, being like the Messiah, who is "the first-born of many brethren," we will eventually be "born again" at the resurrection. To be “regenerated” means to be born anew from above by the holy spirit of YEHOVAH God (John 1:13), quickened (or made alive) by YEHOVAH's spirit (Ephesians 2:1). The Bible plainly teaches in Titus 3:5 that we are not saved “by works of righteousness which WE HAVE DONE”!!! Being water baptized is something that WE DO, not that YEHOVAH God does!

The Bible says in John 1:12-13:

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”

What a beautiful Scripture. Here we clearly see that we of Israel are saved simply by BELIEVING ON THE MESSIAH'S NAME! Notice that we are not saved because of anything that we have done; but rather, because God in His mercy, love and grace has made a provision for our redemption by the sacrifice of His only begotten Son on the tree. Confession, water baptism, forsaking the world, ceasing from sinful living, committing one's life to the Messiah and surrendering our will to serve God are all futile actions of HUMAN EFFORT. As we just learned in John 1:12-13, salvation is completely of God. Our part as Israelites, whose names are in the Book of Life, is simply to believe, and then YEHOVAH God does all the saving!

Bible Proofs That Water Baptism is Not Necessary for Salvation

Consider that the Bible doesn't mention anyone in the Old Testament being baptized with water for salvation. It is a simple fact that YEHOVAH's Chosen People in the Old Testament -- Noah, Shem, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, David, and all the prophets, etc., -- were dead in their sins until the birth of the Messiah and his predicted sacrifice.

Genesis 15:6 teaches that Abram (later to be renamed Abraham) believed YEHOVAH God and it was counted to him for righteousness. Romans 4:3 mentions this event, i.e., Abraham's salvation. We are saved by the imputed righteousness of the Messiah, i.e., the Messiah's righteousness is attributed to our record in Heaven by faith (Romans 4:6). Abraham was saved by simple childlike faith in YEHOVAH God.

While John the Baptist baptized many Israelites in Judea while the Messiah was still alive and had not yet offered himself up, and if baptism was a requirement for salvation, were his efforts totally in vain since they were still "dead in their sins"?

The thief on the tree, who believed on the Messiah, wasn't water baptized. Unless you errantly believe in two different plans of salvation, then the only logical conclusion is that water baptism is NOT required for salvation.

Over and over the Bible tells us that we are saved BY FAITH alone (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; Acts 10:43; John 1:12; Galatians 3:26; John 3:16-18). If water baptism were required for salvation, then certainly the Bible would stress its importance for salvation. In fact, the apostle Paul stated the opposite:

1 Corinthians 1:17: “For CHRIST SENT ME NOT TO BAPTIZE, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”

Paul proclaimed that the Messiah DIDN'T send him to baptize. There you have it! Paul stated in Romans 10:1 that his heart's desire was for Israel to be saved, so Paul definitely would NOT have made such a statement in 1 Corinthians 1:17 if water baptism were necessary to be saved.

A Church of Christ minister once said that Paul's disciples did the baptizing instead. That is mincing words! It is abundantly clear from the apostle's Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 1:17 that the Messiah didn't send him to baptize, because water baptism is not necessary to receive the gift of eternal life. What if I bought you a gift, but said that you need to take a bath first to receive it? Then it wouldn't be a gift!

John 3:16: “For God so loved the world [of Israel], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

There's no mention of water baptism. The Bible is the most misinterpreted book in the world, because most people study it out of context and without the presence of its Author, YEHOVAH God.


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Hello, I have been thinking about the OP and the different posts, but have not received any revelation on what Jesus was talking about to Nicodemus. But I'm glad to have an understanding of these views on this thread and more on other site forums.

I was looking at: It is by scripture we as Christians are not Born Again until we are caught up to be with Christ 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58

But here are some views from Bing:
In Christianity, being born again means having a spiritual renewal or change of heart by accepting Jesus as the Savior and Lord. It is not about physical birth or external requirements, but about receiving salvation and becoming part of God’s family1.

The phrase “born again” is frequently misinterpreted. Looking at its primary reference, we see that its meaning is not about physical birth, but about experiencing a spiritual renewal. It is an expression used by many Protestants to define the moment or process of fully accepting faith in Jesus Christ. It is an experience when the teachings of Christianity and Jesus become real, and the “born again” acquire a personal relationship with God2.

Also, we will be in prayer about this process.

Love, Walter And Debbie
Thank you for making time in sharing these precious links @WalterandDebbie and have booked marked one link.
God bless.
Johann.
 

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I have a very simple way of understanding it - for me it’s about coming alive on a spiritual level through the work of The Holy Spirit within me, and that is achieved through me accepting who Jesus is, why he came , why I need him and what the cross achieves.
All of us are alive physically, mentally and emotional , but true spirituality needs to come from God.
 
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I have a very simple way of understanding it - for me it’s about coming alive on a spiritual level through the work of The Holy Spirit within me, and that is achieved through me accepting who Jesus is, why he came , why I need him and what the cross achieves.
All of us are alive physically, mentally and emotional , but true spirituality needs to come from God.
I see nothing wrong here and agree with you.
Shalom
Johann.
 

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I see nothing wrong here and agree with you.
Shalom
Johann.
Let the LORD be praised my friend . We indeed are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus .
God saved us . Praise the glorious Lord my friend .
I would only say this , Whatever the early church taught and had them do , we should do .
Knowing we are saved by The grace of GOD . Let all praise the glorious Lord .
Doing all things He did teach . Heeding the Spirit that is given unto those who believe in Christ .
All faith in the LORD .
Also , since we know the early church did perform the water baptism
then let us continue to do the same .
 

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In other words: " What Christ did at the Cross was not enough to save you!"

That sums up this haywire doctrine.

But the truth is That anyone who calls uu

Paul was told to be baptized calling on the name of the Lord. And Jesus said belief and baptism is necessary for salvation.

Acts 22:16

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Mark 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief + baptism = salvation​