There’s no suggestion of understanding anything.
I’m just asking if you are aware. That’s all. That’s the entirety of it.
What do you believe is the fate of elite, evil, Christians?
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I’m just asking if you are aware. That’s all. That’s the entirety of it.
That is a good warning, since all your posts are simply nonsensical (but pretending to be very wise).
@Pearl
It seems like a simple & straightforward question.
It seems like a simple & straightforward question.
If you have any questions about anything I’ve shared feel free to ask.
Hate speech !
Where are the PC Nazis !
Find this God who hates ! and bring him to the Political Correct Police to be judged !
;)
Taken
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Hi Pearl, etal,
It’s a MULTIPART part scenario, of Gods Order and Way...which began in the Garden of Eden and continues.
God freely provides.........Knowledge......ie Tree of Life...Gods Word of Truth
God freely offers.............Knowledge......ie Tree of Life....Gods Word of Truth
Man who elects to TAKE / EAT Offering....Tree of Life....Gains Gods Knowledge
Man who elects to BELIEVE / what he has EATEN...Gains Gods Eternal Life.
Man who TAKES Offering / SPITS it Out....Loses Gods Offering.
Men have corrupted by their own understanding Gods BASIC INTENT.
Gods BASIC INTENT is a man freely choosing to have a one on one relationship WITH God.
Men have MADE SIN behaviors and relationships BETWEEN men.
Yes men have relationships amongst themselves...called PRECEPTS.
Yes men can ill treat other men...called TRESPASSES.
Yes men teach physical WORKS (aiding others, doing rituals, etc. is HOW a man IS accounted Worthy by God to BE SAVED or KEEP their SALVATION.)
UH...
Works of/unto God.....IS....the TAKING (receiving, hearing, reading,
BELIEVING) Gods Word of Truth Knowledge.
Service of/unto God...IS...the EATING (ingesting, retaining, believing,
CONFESSING BELIEF of Gods Word of Truth Knowledge.
Any man who HAS...TAKEN...BELIEVED...EATEN...and CONFESSED his True BELIEF...
Has Accomplished......Gods Order and Way....That God IS faithful to Fulfil His Promise to Forever Be With that individual and Be His God. That individual man has a Forever one on one Relationship WITH God. Period.
See how, no other man is “included” in that scenario ?
Works.....Belief
Service...True Confession of Belief
Are there OTHER works / services a man CAN DO? Yes.
( help other men, aid, preach to, pray for, etc. ) will that save the doer? No
Will that keep the doer saved? No.
So what’s the point?
Two fold......the doer/helper....
1) Can aid others and receive kudos, honor ribbons, placks, medals, CREDIT rewards...ie glory unto to THEM. (And that IS their reward)
2) Can aid others and GIVE the kudos, honor, CREDIT .... glory unto GOD.
* Every works a man does FOR another man......AND GIVES God the Credit/Glory..... God REWARDS the “giver”.
( Those works neither Save nor Keep the Salvation of any man. Men who do works for an other and Give God the credit/glory, HAVE “Treasures stored up in Heaven”....and Receive their REWARD from God WHEN Jesus returns.)
* Works.....unto God........John 6:28
* Service...unto God.........Rom 12:1
* Works.....unto men....giving God Credit..Treasures in Heaven..Matt 6:19-20
* Reward...unto men....giving God Credit..Matt 16:27
* Reward...unto men....Received Reward from God when....Rev 22:12
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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Just sharing, not accusing.
HATE simply means.....a STRONG DISLIKE.
It is in Error for some to misconstrue HATE to mean, to NOT LOVE.
Yes God LOVES all of His Creations....YET Hates Some of His Creations.
Men Can LOVE all other men...............YET Hate some other men.
It is asinine and corrupt for sitting Servants to enact Laws regarding HATE.
It is astounding that the people at large fall for that nonsense.
Taken
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Straight off.....God IS Good.
God Always does that which IS Good.
Straight off....God IS the Giver and Taker ... of all things ... Including LIFE.
Straight off....EVERY living man ... HAS Received LIFE from God.
Straight off....God SHALL KILL/ Take away...The LIFE from EVERY Living man.
Calling it HATE...WHEN, by ANY means, God TAKES the Life of a man....
IS Ludicrous.
God TAKES the LIFE....of ALL men. (how or when is irrelevant)
The LIVES of ALL men....must Die.
WHY?
Because ... The LIFE of a man IS his BLOOD.
Because ... BLOOD life can NOT enter into Gods Kingdom.
Because ... Gods DESIRE is that ALL men WILL enter into His Kingdom.
Because ... THE CAVEAT...mans FREEWILL...to Choose to ENTER into Gods Kingdom or NOT.
Because ... God does NOT FORCE a man to Enter into His Kingdom AGAINST the mans OWN FREEWILL to not enter Gods Kingdom.
Hate is not the opposite of Love.
Gods Love is Constant.
Hate is a strong Dislike.
God Loves every man He gives Life TO.
God Loves every man He takes Life FROM.
God GIVES “another Forever Life”, to Every man that freely chooses to LOVE HIM.
:)
Ronald David Bruno
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God takes all physical life away, He kills all men, but some are given eternal life and others are damned, destroyed. His judgment is against sin. He hates sin. So He either forgives it, an act of Grace/Love or not. If it is not grace or love then it must be something else, void of love. A judgment is not determined by His emotions, it is determined by His Law. He did love the person up to a point when He let them go. At that time the person is considered reprobate, irredeemable.
One of our purposes in life to acquire knowledge of good and evil. We need to discern between the two. We love good and hate evil. We learn to hate sin, in others and ourselves. We are also told to love the sinner and hate the sin. Why? Because ultimately we don't judge anyone to damnation, God does.
You are free to view His judgment against evil reprobates as an act of love, I don't. We don't kill people that we love, we usually have mercy and forgive them. These reprobates at a certain point are let go, considered void of anything good.
Dropship
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I think I prefer the numerous verses that indicate God will wash his hands of all Jesus-rejecters on judgment day and sling them out with the trash as "failed humans".
To suggest he'll cut them some slack is yet another satan-inspired notion to make people think they can be nasty and still escape hell, so don't fall for it.
God is not some wishy-washy lukewarm wimpy pol-correct social worker, so nobody better mess with him..:)
Taken
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Grace is His Offering to freely give BEFORE a man deserves.
...Example;
Man sins against God. (Ie. Disbelief)
Payment for sin is mans life.
Mans life is blood.
YET.....by, through, of Gods Grace, He forgives, BEFORE the debt, of Blood life is Paid.
It is not Grace or Love that God requires a mans Life.
It is the FACT that God IS Spirit, and man can NEVER See his God (as he is), NEVER Hear his God (as he is)....as long as that man IS Natural.
The ONLY WAY for a man to SEE and HEAR his God, (as he is), IS to be “MADE” changed “in Gods Likeness”.
Jesus IS Spirit, yet was revealed in the “LIKENESS” as a man.
Men are NOT spirits, yet can be MADE in the”LIKENESS” as a spirit.
One becoming in the others “LIKENESS”....the senses of Hearing, Seeing, Smelling, Speaking, Touching (communicating) becomes Clear to Both.
One does not BECOME the other....Yet one CAN Become in the LIKENESS as the Other. God does not BECOME Human. A Human does not BECOME God.
Mans SEED is Human and can only reproduce WHAT that SEED is.
Corrupt? The offspring will be Corrupt.
Gods SEED is Spirit and can only reproduce WHAT that SEED is.
Holy? The offspring will be Holy.
The catch is ... the Human...(ie an offspring)...body...from a mans SEED, MUST DIE, before God GIVES that individual His SEED.
God has Offered, a man to PLEDGE His body unto God....meaning that man is Willingly laying down his own bodily Life....unto God....expressly confessing his belief .... and whenever that mans body Physically Dies ...his Dead Body was Given unto God.... And that body, ANY body of ANY man, pledged to be dead, unto God....God Redeems That Body unto Himself to be Raised IN Gods LIKENESS.
That body is called......forgiven, washed, covered, sanctified, justified, redeemed, glorified, wholly, whole, holy ... and each one of those words have a specific meaning.
It can BE CALL THAT....BEFORE it is “manifested FOR eyes of human men to SEE”...
It can BE CALL THAT...Because as soon as Gods says He WILL, it’s already done ... We with human eyes simply can not physically SEE it done.
It is not about grace or love....and all about God IS Faithful, His Word IS True, He can not Stand against His Own Word.
Not to be amiss, God LOVES all the creatures He has created. That never changes. God changes not. He Keeps His Word. When He has established Consequences (favorable or not) for mankind.... God Keeps His Word.
Remember God Created and Immediately DIVIDED, heavens up/ earth down/ light/dark, day/night, Kinds of animals, etc.....and called it all.....Very Good.
Blood of man (mans Life) consequence for Bodily dying AGAINST God...
IS eternal Separation From God.
Man-Kind was created to EXIST on the face of the Earth.
Gods knowledge, plan, teaching is NOT SECRET...
Gods Kingdom is Presently Heaven and a Barrier between Heaven and Earth.
Gods Plan is for the Barrier to be OPENED, and God Kingdom to Be Heaven AND Earth.
Men who have REJECTED God, will have NO PLACE in Gods Kingdom which will encompass the Heavens and Entire Earth.
Thus the men Who have REJECTED God, will NOT occupy the face of the Earth.
God COULD raise “the rejectors” UP in hell, in their body’s, and they live forever....as they chose, separated from God....in darkness, stench, extreme heat with no way to cool off, with moaning and screams of 24-7 forever displeasure with no relief. Yet there again is the Mercy of God to utterly remove LIFE from their body’s, from their souls....and destroy their body’s and soul’s that they know, hear, see, taste, speak, smell, feel Nothing.
(Which IS what shall occur to those who have rejected Him.)
Glory to God,
Taken
Ronald David Bruno
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You are beating around the bush, wrestling with the concept of God's hate actually is because I didn't agree with your statement:
"Calling it HATE...WHEN, by ANY means, God TAKES the Life of a man....
IS Ludicrous."
I am not claiming I know and fully understand God's feelings ir decisions. We know in part, so He is mysterious.
The Bible says that God loves but ALSO God hates. He hated Esau, He hates a lying tongue, He hates sin. So how does one harmonize that with God doesn't change? Did He love Esau and then when he traded his birthright for a bowl of soup, he changed His love to hate? I don't know, maybe He always hated Esau?
He gives eternal life to His chosen and the rest are destroyed.
You seem to think that love and grace have nothing to do with His decision. God is LOVE. His Law, therefore, must be part of Love, it is not separate.
We are saved by grace (unmerited favor).
Then it must be that those who are not saved, do not receive grace or love, but the opposite, hate. On a side note, in life, we all love and hate, we all receive good and evil, but we all don't receive grace. Again grace is part of love. So when one is cut off, clipped from the vine, they are disconnected from love ... hated. Maybe you don't like the word hate or the idea that God is capable of hating. It is not the harboring of ill feelings He holds for eternity, He cuts them off, they are no longer part of and connected to Him. He grieves over this, but not forever.
God doesn't change just because he loved all of mankind and let mist of them go or cut them off, it was always His plan to do so.
And yes, I do believe He destroys both body and soul of the reprobate in the Lake of Fire. And you are right, that is an act of mercy, to end their existance, rather than to prolong it eternally.
This is speculative although it contains some logic, we must keep in mind, we only know in part and are talking about God's heart, His love, His grace, His judgments, His mind, which are not completely understood ... are they?
Taken
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Disagree:
Being explicit is not beating around the bush.
Yes God loves and God hates. Love and Hate are not opposites.
Love is not Like.
Hate is a strong dislike.
Hate is the opposite of Like.
God does not change.
...Mal 3: (6a)[6] For I am the LORD, I change not;
God continued to Love Esau.
God expressed His strong DisLIKE of Esau.
God Grace, Love, Mercy are closely related, yet have express meanings.
I believe God will extend His Understanding of His Word, to the Converted that seek such.
Agree. There is much we are not told, obviously unknowing of all things, thus can not understand what is unknown.
John 21:
[25] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Glory to God,
Taken
It seems that, in the end, we will all be with God.
John 5:25 English Standard Version
25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
1 Corinthians 15:22
English Standard Version
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
Dropship
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If people hear and understand with their hearts and not just with their ears they've got a chance..:)
"...the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world. just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace" (Colossians 1:6)
Dropship
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Yeah Christians never die, but people like Hitler, Mussolini, Saddam, Pol Pot, Bin Laden etc were never in Christ so they'll be going up the spout..:)
quietthinker
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I think setting up a graded system which mirrors that of Earth's systems is fraught with problems.
The Kingdom of God is of a nature at odds with the kingdoms of men. The Kingdom of God's centres around love expressed in humility.
Humility is not to be weaponised as if it is lower position.
Jesus washed the feet of his disciples as a way of showing the boys the nature of his Kingdom. John 13:1-5
In the age to come we are given the picture of Jesus serving his subjects/people/redeemed. Luke 12:37
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