What did Jesus die to save us from?

[Carl Emerson]

That's great.
But what about all the times God didn't heal you?

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Years ago I asked Him why not all I pray for are healed - the answer was immediate - if all were healed I would get proud...

So when healing doesn't come it reminds us that it is of Him not us.

 

[St. SteVen]

Years ago I asked Him why not all I pray for are healed - the answer was immediate - if all were healed I would get proud...

So when healing doesn't come it reminds us that it is of Him not us.

That's good.
On the other hand, if it is less than one in ten, why bother? That's pretty discouraging.

I don't pray for anyone unless they indicate a need, or God tells me to approach them.

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[Carl Emerson]

That's good.
On the other hand, if it is less than one in ten, why bother? That's pretty discouraging.

I don't pray for anyone unless they indicate a need, or God tells me to approach them.

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The hit rate is His business not ours, we just obey the requirement to pray for folks.

Yes... Jesus could only do what He saw the Father doing - so believers need to develop the ability of seeing what the Father is doing.

Sometimes a need, sometimes through a leading of the Holy Spirit.

When you have seen God touch folk through prayer, one is less likely to hesitate.

Sometimes He comes through when we least expect it !!!

 

[marks]

Years ago I asked Him why not all I pray for are healed - the answer was immediate - if all were healed I would get proud...

So when healing doesn't come it reminds us that it is of Him not us.

God uses trials to work on us, so just delivering us from everything contrary to us thwarts His purpose.

Much love!

 

[PGS11]

At first for me it was how are we saved but now I had to also have the answer of why we needed saving and the answer to that is the fall of mankind .If it didn't happen Jesus would not of had to come there would be no need as mankind would not be in a fallen state..

 

[St. SteVen]

At first for me it was how are we saved but now I had to also have the answer of why we needed saving and the answer to that is the fall of mankind .If it didn't happen Jesus would not of had to come there would be no need as mankind would not be in a fallen state..

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[St. SteVen]

The hit rate is His business not ours, we just obey the requirement to pray for folks.

I agree. But we run into an issue with this scripture.
Do you ask for healing in Jesus' name?

John 14:13-14 NIV
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

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[St. SteVen]

I agree. But we run into an issue with this scripture.
Do you ask for healing in Jesus' name?

John 14:13-14 NIV
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

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Similarly...

• Matthew 17:20
  He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
  you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
  
  
• Matthew 21:21
  Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt,
  not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,
  ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.
  
  
• Mark 11:23
  “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt
  in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

[ cc: @Carl Emerson

 

[amadeus]

I agree. But we run into an issue with this scripture.
Do you ask for healing in Jesus' name?

John 14:13-14 NIV
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

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Might we not conclude that being "in His name" requires something more than simply saying the word, Jesus, when we ask for anything?

Consider thee following verse:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

So what is that name? Jesus, right? Is it?

I see a significant difference between being "in His name" and simply saying the name, the word, Jesus, with our mouths:

When a person is “in His name” completely isn’t it that he has the mind of Christ? Do all of us have the mind of Christ all of the time? If we did, we certainly wouldn’t sin at all, would we?

I believe that a person can be in His name without saying the name or even without knowing the name in his carnal mind. Is it possible that some people in the OT were in His name before any prophet knew the name of the Messiah (Jesus) in order to speak it with his lips?

Couldn't Elijah have been in His name, much, if not all, of the time, when he was confronting the 400 prophets of Baal?

Couldn't David 'a man after God's own heart' and the 'apple of God's eye', also have been in His name when God inspired him to write many of the psalms in today’s Bible?

Could not both Elijah and David and others have been in His name long before the time of John the Baptist?

Consider then the man in a barroom today using the name of Jesus to rebuke another person. Because he speaks the word, Jesus, would that put him "in His name? I think not.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I agree. But we run into an issue with this scripture.
Do you ask for healing in Jesus' name?

John 14:13-14 NIV
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

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Good point - However this promise was for the body collectively and therefore conditional to unity in the Spirit...

 

[Carl Emerson]

Similarly...

• Matthew 17:20
  He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
  you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
  
  
• Matthew 21:21
  Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt,
  not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,
  ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.
  
  
• Mark 11:23
  “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt
  in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

[ cc: @Carl Emerson

These verses are only understood if you have the biblical definition of faith - i.e. it comes from having heard Him first.
If He says speak to the mountain then He has indicated He will do it.

 

[St. SteVen]

Might we not conclude that being "in His name" requires something more than simply saying the word, Jesus, when we ask for anything?

Consider thee following verse:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

So what is that name? Jesus, right? Is it?

I agree for the most part, But there is power in the name itself. Consider this passage.

Mark 9:38-41 NIV
“Teacher,” said John,
“we saw someone driving out demons in your name
and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said.
“For no one who does a miracle in my name
can in the next moment say anything bad about me,
40 for whoever is not against us is for us.
41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name
because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

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[St. SteVen]

Good point - However this promise was for the body collectively and therefore conditional to unity in the Spirit...

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

John 14:13-14 NIV
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

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[St. SteVen]

These verses are only understood if you have the biblical definition of faith - i.e. it comes from having heard Him first.
If He says speak to the mountain then He has indicated He will do it.

I agree that is how it works, but not what it says. That's the problem. There is no caveat in these scriptures.

• Matthew 17:20
  He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
  you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
  
  
• Matthew 21:21
  Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt,
  not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,
  ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.
  
  
• Mark 11:23
  “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt
  in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

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[amadeus]

I agree for the most part, But there is power in the name itself. Consider this passage.

Mark 9:38-41 NIV
“Teacher,” said John,
“we saw someone driving out demons in your name
and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said.
“For no one who does a miracle in my name
can in the next moment say anything bad about me,
40 for whoever is not against us is for us.
41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name
because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

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Really? Consider this:

Ac 19:13	Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Ac 19:14	And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Ac 19:15	And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Ac 19:16	And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

 

[Phoneman777]

What did Jesus die to save us from?

I like how you phrase the question, using "from" and not "in".

He died to save us "from" sin and its death penalty to the impenitent - not "in" sin by taking away the punishment while tolerating our continuance in it, as popularly taught.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t think he saved us from anything but our sin… he came and saved the bride from being destroyed.

Today I believe it’s a “saved to” Jesus saves us to the kingdom of heaven, being adopted children @St. SteVen (I hate calling you saint still). I don’t like to quote your name because of it.

 

[Carl Emerson]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

John 14:13-14 NIV
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

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It is clear from the passage He was addressing the whole group of disciples and therefore the 'You' I believe is plural. Jesus was teaching them how to relate as the group which would become the Church. So the context is mutual submission.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I agree that is how it works, but not what it says. That's the problem. There is no caveat in these scriptures.

• Matthew 17:20
  He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
  you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
  
  
• Matthew 21:21
  Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt,
  not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,
  ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.
  
  
• Mark 11:23
  “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt
  in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

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You cant understand what it says unless you know how it works.

 

[St. SteVen]

Really? Consider this:

I don't think anything should be dismissed here. All three points we made are biblical and true as far as I can tell.

Power in the name/authority of Jesus:
1) For those living in his name
2) For those not living in the name, who use the name (in some instances)
3) Lack of power for some who use the name - Sons of Sceva.

Question; Were the seven sons of Sceva NOT living in the name of Jesus?
Do we need to have a reputation in the realm of darkness to deliver some spirits?

Ac 19:15

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

Mark 9:29 NIV
He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.[and fasting]” (some manuscripts)

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