What Are we Getting Saved From?

[face2face]

I gave evidence by providing 5 scriptures.
You don't seem to count scripture as evidence and you demand evidence all the time as though there were none. Perhaps you're athiest.

You provided 5 scriptures all of which tell us nothing about what you believe.
My request still stands...take your time.

 

[face2face]

I gave evidence by providing 5 scriptures.
You don't seem to count scripture as evidence and you demand evidence all the time as though there were none. Perhaps you're athiest.

I fact while you are thinking about it - why dont you try and tell the story yourself from those 5 Scriptures and lets see if it makes any sense?

 

[teamventure]

You provided 5 scriptures all of which tell us nothing about what you believe.
My request still stands...take your time.

Why don't you believe scripture?
Are you even a Christian?

 

[face2face]

Why don't you believe scripture?
Are you even a Christian?

When I have time I will teach you the false doctrine of eternal torment in some literal place of everlasting fire. Let's see if I can teach it more comprehensively than you?

 

[DavidB]

To mean you are unable to provide one!

Many words are mentioned in Scripture!
The Genesis of Hell -
Com'on Team surely you havnt built your entire story on a few scattered words?



Is this it?

Thousands of year of world history and you take me to a parable of Jesus who used the Jews wrong doctrine against them?

Tell me you have more than this - at least in the OT?

You & Jack should share notes!

F2F

Hell doesn’t sound so bad if you can get relief from water off the tip of a finger.

 

[Jack]

First off, a building can neither twist a scripture or attack anything

A building full of JW's can.

Here is a nice comparison.
John 3:16
KJV - “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
NWT - ““For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”

Hell will be filled with people who wish they were "destroyed".
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jack]

The fact that you both cannot provide any detailed evidence to the beginning of Hell is a startling sign you have believed in fabricated notions and not doctrinal truth. I could show you the meaning of Hell but that would be pointless until such time as you realise your foundation is eroding away from under you and it's time to scream for help, or drown in error.
F2F

The JW Twist! Avoiding Scripture like plague.

 

[teamventure]

When I have time I will teach you the false doctrine of eternal torment in some literal place of everlasting fire. Let's see if I can teach it more comprehensively than you?

You can teach the false teaching of annihilation more comprehensively than me yes. I just believe scripture.
Have a good day.

 

[DavidB]

When I have time I will teach you the false doctrine of eternal torment in some literal place of everlasting fire. Let's see if I can teach it more comprehensively than you?

Have you noticed that those who love the thought of eternal torture seem to be hate filled in their thinking and attitude? It’s like they are eager to send those they don’t agree with to hell.

 

[Jack]

Have you noticed that those who love the thought of eternal torture seem to be hate filled in their thinking and attitude? It’s like they are eager to send those they don’t agree with to hell.

You're referring to Jesus? Do you even know Who I'm quoting? Is quoting Jesus banned at Kingdom Hall?
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

 

[quietthinker]

What Are we Getting Saved From?
Proud self inflated human opinions!

 

[quietthinker]

Have you noticed that those who love the thought of eternal torture seem to be hate filled in their thinking and attitude? It’s like they are eager to send those they don’t agree with to hell.

The God we have is the God of our theology!

 

[face2face]

Have you noticed that those who love the thought of eternal torture seem to be hate filled in their thinking and attitude? It’s like they are eager to send those they don’t agree with to hell.

Yes, sadly that is often the case and because the Scriptural support is terribly weak they can become frustrated in failing to prove their position. I just started a new thread with @teamventure to see if we can unpack the language of hell.
F2F

 

[keithr]

Hell is mentioned in scripture more than heaven but you still don't believe.

Is it? A simple word search reveals that the word 'hell' is mentioned 54 times, whereas the word 'heaven' is mentioned 583 times (in the KJV).

 

[Jack]

Yes, sadly that is often the case and because the Scriptural support is terribly weak they can become frustrated in failing to prove their position. I just started a new thread with @teamventure to see if we can unpack the language of hell.
F2F

Amen! JW's have ZERO Scriptural support. Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

 

[Jack]

Is it? A simple word search reveals that the word 'hell' is mentioned 54 times, whereas the word 'heaven' is mentioned 583 times (in the KJV).

JW word games!

 

[keithr]

In the scriptures, the righteous are counted from Able, not Adam, Eve or Cain.

Are you sure about that? Romans 3:10 (WEB):

(10) As it is written, “There is no one righteous; no, not one.​

If there is no repentance, there can be no forgiveness. That is why God will resurrect those who never had the opportunity to know Jehovah or his son.

The Jews were expecting to be raised to life in the resurrection, and they knew Jehovah (YHWH).

So....what is the will of the Father and how do we do it? What are your thoughts?

1 Thesalonians 4:3-12 (WEB):

(3) For this is the will of God: your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality,
(4) that each one of you know how to control his own body in sanctification and honor,
(5) not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God;
(6) that no one should take advantage of and wrong a brother or sister in this matter; because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as also we forewarned you and testified.
(7) For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification.
(8) Therefore he who rejects this doesn’t reject man, but God, who has also given his Holy Spirit to you.
(9) But concerning brotherly love, you have no need that one write to you. For you yourselves are taught by God to love one another,
(10) for indeed you do it toward all the brothers who are in all Macedonia. But we exhort you, brothers, that you abound more and more;
(11) and that you make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, even as we instructed you;
(12) that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and may have need of nothing.​

 

[keithr]

Why do JW's avoid Scripture like plague?

I'm surprised that you think that. Whenever I've spoken to Jehovah's Witnesses they've spoken of nothing except the Scriptures, and quote and read it nowadays from modern translations that other denominations use, rather that the New World Translation, so that there is no excuse to not believe what they are reading to you.

Anti-semitism is evil, as is being anti Jehovah's Witnesses. According to Wikipedia there are about 2.6 billion Christians of which only 8.6 million are Jehovah's Witnesses - a third of 1%. For comparison there are about 15 million Jews in the whole world. Satan uses people to attack God's chosen people, the Jews, and to attack Christians, those who believe that Jesus is the Messiah. If you join in with that then you are a servant of Satan rather than a servant of God. Even if you consider JW's your enemies, remember that Jesus said, "But I tell you, love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44).

 

[Jack]

I'm surprised that you think that. Whenever I've spoken to Jehovah's Witnesses they've spoken of nothing except the Scriptures, and quote and read it nowadays from modern translations that other denominations use, rather that the New World Translation, so that there is no excuse to not believe what they are reading to you.

Anti-semitism is evil, as is being anti Jehovah's Witnesses. According to Wikipedia there are about 2.6 billion Christians of which only 8.6 million are Jehovah's Witnesses - a third of 1%. For comparison there are about 15 million Jews in the whole world. Satan uses people to attack God's chosen people, the Jews, and to attack Christians, those who believe that Jesus is the Messiah. If you join in with that then you are a servant of Satan rather than a servant of God. Even if you consider JW's your enemies, remember that Jesus said, "But I tell you, love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44).

When JW's refer to the Christian Bible it's almost always to twist the perfectly clear meaning, like Satan's children do.

 

[keithr]

When JW's refer to the Christian Bible it's almost always to twist the perfectly clear meaning, like Satan's children do.

That's not been my experience.