What Are we Getting Saved From?

[face2face]

Then why are you doing the JW Bible TWIST?

Because in this matter they have truth.

 

[face2face]

You don't like Literal Bible? I'd bet you like John 3:16 as literal though.

You highlight an important point. Being able to identify what is figrative and what is literal is an important skill. One Nicodemus had to learn also John 3:4 ;)

 

[Jack]

Because in this matter they have truth.

Another Kingdom Hall victim!

 

[Jack]

You highlight an important point. Being able to identify what is figrative and what is literal is an important skill. One Nicodemus had to learn also John 3:4 ;)

Sounds like JW doctrine to me. Whatever they don't like is not literal.

 

[face2face]

Sounds like JW doctrine to me. Whatever they don't like is not literal.

When a doctrine is true its not owned by the JW's, Baptists or any other denomination, it belongs to God.

 

[Jack]

When a doctrine is true its not owned by the JW's, Baptists or any other denomination, it belongs to God.

Kingdom Hall TWISTS nearly every verse in the Bible.

 

[face2face]

Kingdom Hall TWISTS nearly every verse in the Bible.

But I've just caught you twisting the atonement to say only the blood redeems us when it's clearly proven the body also.
You know there is a word for that ;)

 

[Jack]

But I've just caught you twisting the atonement to say only the blood redeems us when it's clearly proven the body also.
You know there is a word for that ;)

Why are you attacking the Blood atonement of Jesus?
1 Peter 1
18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

 

[teamventure]

Who sends them to this place? It isn’t the devil who tortures them...it is supposedly your god who enjoys this form of punishment....I know whose personality is expressed this way....certainly not the God who is the epitome of love. He does not even desire the death of the wicked, let alone torturing them for eternity. What purpose is served in that? Can you tell me? God is about repentance and forgiveness....not just punishment for the sake of it.

You just can’t see that all the things you think Christ taught are the product of a corrupted church....and the “apostasy” that Jesus and his apostles foretold happened just as he said it would, but so long ago that you don’t know, or were not taught any different. The divided mess that is Christendom, is not even close to the teachings of the one they claim as their “Lord”. (Matthew 7:21-23) But you will never “see” that unless you open your “heart” so that God can open your “eyes”. (John 6:65)


You can believe that if you wish but the Bible is full of symbolisms...it’s not my place to force anyone to believe a word I say....I am just a messenger. I “plant and water”, but only ‘God can make the seed of truth grow’.....and we already know that it only grows in what God considers “fine soil”. The easiest person on the planet to fool...is ourselves.
Who does God see, compared to what we see in ourselves?

Have we been taken in by the counterfeit “Christianity” that Jesus said would be “sown by the devil”? It was beginning to surface whilst the apostles were still alive...that is how long it’s been festering in the world, slowly developing into something Christ will ultimately reject as those he “never knew”.
You can evaluate the evidence for yourself and come to your own conclusions....God allows us all to do this.

At the judgment, we will all be caught in the act of being ourselves....

My God? You say you follow a different god? My God is the God of Abraham the one true living God. You can only speak for yourself if you follow a different god that is on you.

The purpose of hell is to inprison wickedness and the lake of fire to burn wickedness so wickedness doesn't roam free.
Same reason people who break laws go to prison so lawlessness doesn't roam free.
This is done because God is not only loving but just and holy and sin and wickedness are evil. Very rudimentary.

The Bible has a lot of symbolism, but where it is plainly stated it is literal in those places.

I'm glad you know that apostacy is rampant, part of the apostasy is turning away from the plain truth of God's word, particularly what it says about hell and the lake of fire.

 

[teamventure]

Hell will be filled with religious people who don't believe in Hell.
Revelation 20
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

You said it!

 

[face2face]

The purpose of hell is to inprison wickedness and the lake of fire to burn wickedness so wickedness doesn't roam free.

Where is the story of this Hell in the Bible - it's creation?

 

[face2face]

Why are you attacking the Blood atonement of Jesus?
1 Peter 1
18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

I see why people dont persist with you. Do you have a learning disability? Seriously?

 

[Jack]

I see why people dont persist with you. Do you have a learning disability? Seriously?

No, I'm not a JW cheerleader.

 

[face2face]

No, I'm not a JW cheerleader.

You really dislike the JW's - did you have a bad experience?

 

[Jack]

You really dislike the JW's - did you have a bad experience?

I HATE Satanic doctrines leading people to Hell.

 

[DavidB]

Kingdom Hall TWISTS nearly every verse in the Bible.

Control yourself. That is an idiotic statement.

 

[teamventure]

Where is the story of this Hell in the Bible - it's creation?

See post #520

The Bible says more about hell than it does about heaven.

 

[face2face]

See post #520

The Bible says more about hell than it does about heaven.

That's because everyone goes there! The grave that is!

 

[face2face]

Scripture has tried and tried to warn us that hell is eternal punishment so many times and in so many ways but people don't want to believe it so they make up explanations.
It would be one thing if there were only a couple scriptures that look like they need an explanation but there are so many passages.
Wake up!

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Matthew 25:46 NIV

“the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched”
Isaiah 66:24 NIV

Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:2 NIV

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:42 NIV

And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night.”
Revelation 14:11 NIV

What I asked for was the creation story? How it came to be? What happened? I want the details not random verses with different context. I could look at each of these and expound their meaning. Let's see the story of your Hell.

 

[Jack]

Control yourself. That is an idiotic statement.

Says Kingdom Hall who attacks our Bible at every opportunity?